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Re: Idea: Jaylen for Hield and Fox
« Reply #75 on: December 14, 2021, 03:46:38 PM »

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Just read this on Bleacher Report -- take it for what you will:

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To be clear, Boston’s front office has yet to entertain the notion of splitting up Brown and Jayson Tatum during early calls with rival teams. “Talking to Boston, those are the only two untouchables,” said one assistant general manager.

While the Celtics appear committed to building around Brown and Tatum, speculation about Brown’s availability has notably increased around the league. It is an ongoing topic of conversation among sources familiar with both players. Moving Brown would appear highly unlikely until after this season and seems more plausible ahead of 2022-23. But as long as Boston floats on the periphery of the Eastern Conference playoff picture, league personnel will monitor Brown’s status and if the Celtics inch closer toward pivoting in a new direction. 

“I think they’re starting to get to a place where they don’t think he and Jayson Tatum can coexist,” said another assistant general manager.

“I think there's pretty widespread belief that they don’t work together,” one general manager told B/R. “But unless ownership adds pressure on [Boston GM Brad Stevens], I don’t see them doing anything.”

Boston has seemed to value Marcus Smart and Robert Williams III in a second tier behind Brown and Tatum, but the two veterans stand as the most accomplished Boston players rival executives believe are available for trade this season. Dennis Schroder, who has produced both as a starter and Celtics reserve, is another strong trade candidate. His upcoming free agency next summer is shaping into a more lucrative stint on the open market than this past August, which could price him out of Boston’s roster construction.


Re: Idea: Jaylen for Hield and Fox
« Reply #76 on: December 14, 2021, 03:54:27 PM »

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Just read this on Bleacher Report -- take it for what you will:

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To be clear, Boston’s front office has yet to entertain the notion of splitting up Brown and Jayson Tatum during early calls with rival teams. “Talking to Boston, those are the only two untouchables,” said one assistant general manager.

While the Celtics appear committed to building around Brown and Tatum, speculation about Brown’s availability has notably increased around the league. It is an ongoing topic of conversation among sources familiar with both players. Moving Brown would appear highly unlikely until after this season and seems more plausible ahead of 2022-23. But as long as Boston floats on the periphery of the Eastern Conference playoff picture, league personnel will monitor Brown’s status and if the Celtics inch closer toward pivoting in a new direction. 

“I think they’re starting to get to a place where they don’t think he and Jayson Tatum can coexist,” said another assistant general manager.

“I think there's pretty widespread belief that they don’t work together,” one general manager told B/R. “But unless ownership adds pressure on [Boston GM Brad Stevens], I don’t see them doing anything.”

Boston has seemed to value Marcus Smart and Robert Williams III in a second tier behind Brown and Tatum, but the two veterans stand as the most accomplished Boston players rival executives believe are available for trade this season. Dennis Schroder, who has produced both as a starter and Celtics reserve, is another strong trade candidate. His upcoming free agency next summer is shaping into a more lucrative stint on the open market than this past August, which could price him out of Boston’s roster construction.


So other teams want Brown and are putting out rumors and that the Celtics will have to trade him because "we don't think they fit together"



Re: Idea: Jaylen for Hield and Fox
« Reply #77 on: December 14, 2021, 04:13:46 PM »

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Brown returns, Celtics win, Tatum goes for 42 on 25 shots.

Why anyone is trying to break these kids up is beyond me.

Because the Celtics are .500 over their last 100 games, they play the same position, and Brown is hurt a lot? Let's see the Cs play at a .625 clip over 15-20 games with the team intact, and the talk will die down.


I had no idea all these players and coaches had been together for 100 straight games.   


And as far as I can see, Tatum was a SF and Brown was a SG.   Still have to fill both those positions with swing men.


I want to see improved play around them.   Let us see some better outside shooting from other players to open up the floor.

Brown's a "SG" because Tatum is a SF.

And I agree! Don't we all. I'm all for the Cs trading literally everyone other than Brown, Tatum and the Williams Bros if it means better roster construction and shooting. Just have a lot of doubt about the value of anyone on the Cs outside those 4.
I think all three of you guys agree, as do I, that trading either of the Jays is a bad idea.

Re: Idea: Jaylen for Hield and Fox
« Reply #78 on: December 14, 2021, 04:25:40 PM »

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Brown returns, Celtics win, Tatum goes for 42 on 25 shots.

Why anyone is trying to break these kids up is beyond me.

Because the Celtics are .500 over their last 100 games, they play the same position, and Brown is hurt a lot? Let's see the Cs play at a .625 clip over 15-20 games with the team intact, and the talk will die down.


I had no idea all these players and coaches had been together for 100 straight games.   


And as far as I can see, Tatum was a SF and Brown was a SG.   Still have to fill both those positions with swing men.


I want to see improved play around them.   Let us see some better outside shooting from other players to open up the floor.

Brown's a "SG" because Tatum is a SF.

And I agree! Don't we all. I'm all for the Cs trading literally everyone other than Brown, Tatum and the Williams Bros if it means better roster construction and shooting. Just have a lot of doubt about the value of anyone on the Cs outside those 4.
I think all three of you guys agree, as do I, that trading either of the Jays is a bad idea.

I don't think it's a bad idea, per se. All depends on the package, and I do have some concerns about Brown's value going down if he continues to be a bit fragile. But I don't think the Cs will before this summer at the absolute earliest, if not the following summer.
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Re: Idea: Jaylen for Hield and Fox
« Reply #79 on: December 14, 2021, 09:33:15 PM »

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Brown returns, Celtics win, Tatum goes for 42 on 25 shots.

Why anyone is trying to break these kids up is beyond me.

Because the Celtics are .500 over their last 100 games, they play the same position, and Brown is hurt a lot? Let's see the Cs play at a .625 clip over 15-20 games with the team intact, and the talk will die down.


I had no idea all these players and coaches had been together for 100 straight games.   


And as far as I can see, Tatum was a SF and Brown was a SG.   Still have to fill both those positions with swing men.


I want to see improved play around them.   Let us see some better outside shooting from other players to open up the floor.

Brown's a "SG" because Tatum is a SF.

And I agree! Don't we all. I'm all for the Cs trading literally everyone other than Brown, Tatum and the Williams Bros if it means better roster construction and shooting. Just have a lot of doubt about the value of anyone on the Cs outside those 4.
I think all three of you guys agree, as do I, that trading either of the Jays is a bad idea.
I'll certainly drink to that.

And, fwiw, I am!
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