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when Boston goes 6-2 or 7-1 in the next 8 without Brown, will you still be saying that?
I love how you're talking about us going 6-2 or 7-1 in the next 8 without Brown like it's a certainty, we're painfully mediocre with him on the court, what makes you think that the purple patch merchant who has a worse on/off (your pet favourite stat!) than Brown this season to carry us to that record 
It’s just one poster saying that. And if you have been around here you know what it is about.
Absolutely, it's amazing that he's now making statements like these now that he can't find any stats that he can peddle his narrative on now that Jaylen isn't being played as a corner shooting specialist lol.
So you don't think Boston is going to go at least 6-2 over the next 8. Who are they going to lose to?
Toronto
Milwaukee
@ Cleveland
@ Cleveland
@ Atlanta
Los Angeles L
Oklahoma City
Houston
If they don't go at least 6-2, they might as well write the season off and just start dumping everyone.
Without Jaylen, I'm worried they might lose to Toronto, Milwaukee, Atlanta and the Fakers. The other four they should definitely beat, if they don't we have real problems.
Without jaylen brown 4-4 is probably most likely outcomes. Lakers should have Lebron back. Don’t think we beat the bucks without jb either. Then the Toronto and road games against Cleveland and Atlanta are toss ups. Most teams are not good without their second best player and all star level talent. 6-2 would be a really great performance so I hope I am wrong on this.
I think really any record over the next 8 games is possible. But getting back to Mo's point, the whole concept of a team's record when a player is out hurt has been shown time and again to be bunk. Coaches and players alike disregard such stuff saying that teams generally come together even more to try to get wins for their fallen comrades.
Also, context matters. Were other players out? What was the strength of schedule played? Was the team already on a hot or cold streak? Were there locker room issues at the time? Were trades made during the time out? Was it regular season or playoffs?
All things that matter. The Celtics will miss their currently best performing player. I don't think the coaches or the players in that Boston locker room think otherwise, even if some dude on an internet site does.
At what point are enough games missed against enough varied opponents for you to come around. The simple reality is that Boston has a better record in games Brown doesn't play than in games he does and has has missed around half a season over that time and some games the team lost without Brown Tatum was also out.
At some point people need to actually start believing the team record. And to be clear it isn't that I think Brown is a bad player, he most certainly is not, but him and Tatum are not a good fit. They are very similar and don't play well off of each other. Tatum is better, by a decent margin, and he has more freedom without Brown and plays even better. The lack of Brown also gets other players involved a lot more and they play better as well. That is why the team has quite simply played better without Brown over the last 3 or 4 seasons. We saw something similar with Irving.
EDIT: I absolutely believe that moving Brown for a better fitting player makes sense. I don't know that Simmons is that player, though I do think he would fit much better with Tatum. I'd be concerned about the lack of a secondary scorer, so I would want to make sure I had a way to acquire one if I was going to move Brown for Simmons. I posted in some thread on here a trade where Boston acquires McCollum and then trades Brown for Simmons. I think something like that would make Boston significantly better long term.
I don't know how many times I have to say this.
I DON'T BELIEVE IN YOUR W-L WHEN OUT METRIC TO JUDGE HOW GOOD A PLAYER IS OR WHAT THEY BRING TO A TEAM.
I think it garbage and so do most professional athletes and coaches.
Can i just second this. I think record with or without a guy is borderline entirely meaningless, especially in small sample sizes.
There's too much that goes into it. Lets say Jaylen Brown missed the next 8 games. lets say they go 6-2. Am I supposed to believe that because the Celtics are better without Jaylen brown? Or is it because they play MIL and ATL who are both struggling (worse records than Boston), CLE 2x without Collin Sexton (and maybe Lauri), LAL likely without Lebron and OKC/HOU who both absolutely stink? Also Tatum has largely stunk so far, he almost HAS TO play better the next 8 games then the first 9 games. So because Tatum just happens to snap out of his funk when Jaylen goes down (because he can't possibly suck that much forever) am I supposed to believe the C's are better off without Jaylen? Obviously not.
So ya in small samples the schedule and coincidental swings in player production play too big a role to make any real connection between team record and a guy being out.
But also, why should I care that three years ago the C's were 8-0 without Jaylen? Jaylen was averaging 14 ppg in that season, was a third year guy coming off the bench, and that team as loaded with Rozier, Mook, Kyrie, Horford, Tatum ect... Of course Jaylen didn't matter as much to that team, he wasn't nearly as good then as he is now. The last two years the Celtics are 16-13 (.555) without Jaylen. They are 68-47 (.591%) with him. So even if you accept that team record without a guy is a valid measuring stick (again, it absolutely is not) I don't think it even actually supports your point at least in the time period since Jaylen took his jump to all-star adjacent status.
And its obviously not true this year where he leads the team in net rating.
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