Here’s why I’m in on Jaylen Brown for Ben Simmons…

[nickagneta]

It is pretty strange that people seem to basing Simmons' entire career on his last playoff series. Sure, he has some maturity issues to address, but it probably does suck being called out by your coach and best player. Most players would have been traded at that point and been excelling on their new team, but PHI continues to hold on to Simmons because he isn't as valued as they thought...I think this is fair, btw; a player doesn't automatically deserve to be traded when he is under contract just because he requested it.

As for Brown for Simmons, straight up - no way. But what if PHI was willing to add in two of Thybulle/Maxey/Curry and a future 1st or two? Not only do we improve our depth, but we improve the assets we have in order to trade for another star. Simmons as the 3rd best player with two clear stars ahead of him would probably be pretty lethal.

Brown would still be the best player in that trade.  Depth might improve a bit but so what?  You win in the NBA with star/elite players.

Hey, I'm a huge Brown fan, so I am not looking to trade him, but I am not going to pretend Simmons doesn't have more accolades to his name than Brown. Does that make Simmons better than Brown? Nope. But it isn't like we would be trading Brown for somebody definitely worse. In fact, it's entirely possible Simmons blossoms in a new environment and surpasses Brown once again. And getting all of those other pieces would just be icing on the cake.

All I am saying is people's last (and seemingly, only) impression of Simmons is that he is a weak, cowardly, overpaid player who can't shoot. When if Philly had just dealt him to another team this summer, he very likely would be playing at an All-Star level and everybody would have gotten over it. PHI is doing a great job at tanking their asset and Simmons is doing a great job at tanking himself.

Simmons has more accolades now. In the future, I am guessing Brown will have more accolades

[#1P4P]

Brown is a better shooter, scorer, mentally tougher, clutch, is effective in different lineups and matchups (doesn’t need to be surrounded by 4 shooters to be at his best), just as versatile defensively, and most importantly, has improved every season, while Simmons has plateaued.

Simmons plateau is high, I like him as a player and think he will rebound and eventually thrive in the right situation (a team willing to bend over backwards for him), but Jaylen’s improvement has raised his value as an asset to be on par or above him.

Jaylen, at 25, is already one of the best scorers in the NBA, what happens in 2 seasons when he learns to control the game by getting to his spots on demand, commanding the double, and either shooting a high efficiency shot or hitting the open man? Does he become another version of Kawhi?

[Celtics4ever]

1. He is a generational talent and fulfills a need (PG) that is glaring.

2. He can play four positions and is a + defender.

3. We can replace Jaylen with Bradley Beal in free agency.

4. A team outlined below are legitimate contenders and breaks us through the treadmill feeling we’ve all experienced the last decade:

Ben Simmons
Bradley Beal
Jayson Tatum
Al Horford
Robert Williams III

Why I am not all in.....

1.  Simmons Can't shoot
2.  Simmons shows no desire to improve his shot
3.  Simmons lacks heart, is he lazy, does he care
4.  Simmons has brought the Sixers nothing with loaded teams
5.  Simmons  is  a PF pretending to be a PG
6.  Simmons is a diva
7.   Simmons might have mental health problems
8.   Simmons has zero leadership skills
9.   Simmons passed a dunk during a playoff game because he was afraid to shoot fouls shots, this cost his team the game
10.  Simmons team mates seem to be doing better without him

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Is the OP actually LarBrd33?

[pokeKingCurtis]

So is Ben Simmons fulfilling his destiny as the 2nd coming of Lamar Odom now

[Moranis]

It is pretty strange that people seem to basing Simmons' entire career on his last playoff series. Sure, he has some maturity issues to address, but it probably does suck being called out by your coach and best player. Most players would have been traded at that point and been excelling on their new team, but PHI continues to hold on to Simmons because he isn't as valued as they thought...I think this is fair, btw; a player doesn't automatically deserve to be traded when he is under contract just because he requested it.

As for Brown for Simmons, straight up - no way. But what if PHI was willing to add in two of Thybulle/Maxey/Curry and a future 1st or two? Not only do we improve our depth, but we improve the assets we have in order to trade for another star. Simmons as the 3rd best player with two clear stars ahead of him would probably be pretty lethal.

Brown would still be the best player in that trade.  Depth might improve a bit but so what?  You win in the NBA with star/elite players.

Hey, I'm a huge Brown fan, so I am not looking to trade him, but I am not going to pretend Simmons doesn't have more accolades to his name than Brown. Does that make Simmons better than Brown? Nope. But it isn't like we would be trading Brown for somebody definitely worse. In fact, it's entirely possible Simmons blossoms in a new environment and surpasses Brown once again. And getting all of those other pieces would just be icing on the cake.

All I am saying is people's last (and seemingly, only) impression of Simmons is that he is a weak, cowardly, overpaid player who can't shoot. When if Philly had just dealt him to another team this summer, he very likely would be playing at an All-Star level and everybody would have gotten over it. PHI is doing a great job at tanking their asset and Simmons is doing a great job at tanking himself.

Simmons has more accolades now. In the future, I am guessing Brown will have more accolades

well it doesn't appear either one is going to get any accolades this year unless Brown comes back soon and misses no more games or Simmons gets traded in the next few weeks. 

Going forward, I think Simmons making an All Defense Team is the most likely accolade either one will earn because Simmons is the best wing and guard defender in the sport.  The only guy anywhere near his impact defensively is Gobert and he is really limited defensively because he can basically only guard centers. 

[Somebody]

I love how people are still talking about Simmons like he's the next Magic Johnson , he's a passing forward who is amazing in transition and defence, but the latter is massively overrated because he isn't a great help defender like the very best defenders in the sport are.

[keevsnick]

It is pretty strange that people seem to basing Simmons' entire career on his last playoff series. Sure, he has some maturity issues to address, but it probably does suck being called out by your coach and best player. Most players would have been traded at that point and been excelling on their new team, but PHI continues to hold on to Simmons because he isn't as valued as they thought...I think this is fair, btw; a player doesn't automatically deserve to be traded when he is under contract just because he requested it.

As for Brown for Simmons, straight up - no way. But what if PHI was willing to add in two of Thybulle/Maxey/Curry and a future 1st or two? Not only do we improve our depth, but we improve the assets we have in order to trade for another star. Simmons as the 3rd best player with two clear stars ahead of him would probably be pretty lethal.

Brown would still be the best player in that trade.  Depth might improve a bit but so what?  You win in the NBA with star/elite players.

Hey, I'm a huge Brown fan, so I am not looking to trade him, but I am not going to pretend Simmons doesn't have more accolades to his name than Brown. Does that make Simmons better than Brown? Nope. But it isn't like we would be trading Brown for somebody definitely worse. In fact, it's entirely possible Simmons blossoms in a new environment and surpasses Brown once again. And getting all of those other pieces would just be icing on the cake.

All I am saying is people's last (and seemingly, only) impression of Simmons is that he is a weak, cowardly, overpaid player who can't shoot. When if Philly had just dealt him to another team this summer, he very likely would be playing at an All-Star level and everybody would have gotten over it. PHI is doing a great job at tanking their asset and Simmons is doing a great job at tanking himself.

Simmons has more accolades now. In the future, I am guessing Brown will have more accolades

well it doesn't appear either one is going to get any accolades this year unless Brown comes back soon and misses no more games or Simmons gets traded in the next few weeks. 

Going forward, I think Simmons making an All Defense Team is the most likely accolade either one will earn because Simmons is the best wing and guard defender in the sport.  The only guy anywhere near his impact defensively is Gobert and he is really limited defensively because he can basically only guard centers.

What? Brown has misses two games so far, even if he misses like 6 more which would put him at the long end of the injury timetable its not like 8 games missed on a season is going to stop him from making an all star or all-nba team. In today's NBA if you play 60 game on the season you're fine for that kind of stuff. I guess it gives him less wiggle room going forward, but right now this injury alone shouldn't effect accolades.

Also, who actually cares about accolades? Westbrook has more accolades than almost anyone and I wouldn't take that dude for free. Who  gives you a better chance of winning in the playoffs. Its Jaylen, and its not close. I would trade Jaylen in the right deal (very reluctantly), but this aint it.

[Somebody]

It is pretty strange that people seem to basing Simmons' entire career on his last playoff series. Sure, he has some maturity issues to address, but it probably does suck being called out by your coach and best player. Most players would have been traded at that point and been excelling on their new team, but PHI continues to hold on to Simmons because he isn't as valued as they thought...I think this is fair, btw; a player doesn't automatically deserve to be traded when he is under contract just because he requested it.

As for Brown for Simmons, straight up - no way. But what if PHI was willing to add in two of Thybulle/Maxey/Curry and a future 1st or two? Not only do we improve our depth, but we improve the assets we have in order to trade for another star. Simmons as the 3rd best player with two clear stars ahead of him would probably be pretty lethal.

Brown would still be the best player in that trade.  Depth might improve a bit but so what?  You win in the NBA with star/elite players.

Hey, I'm a huge Brown fan, so I am not looking to trade him, but I am not going to pretend Simmons doesn't have more accolades to his name than Brown. Does that make Simmons better than Brown? Nope. But it isn't like we would be trading Brown for somebody definitely worse. In fact, it's entirely possible Simmons blossoms in a new environment and surpasses Brown once again. And getting all of those other pieces would just be icing on the cake.

All I am saying is people's last (and seemingly, only) impression of Simmons is that he is a weak, cowardly, overpaid player who can't shoot. When if Philly had just dealt him to another team this summer, he very likely would be playing at an All-Star level and everybody would have gotten over it. PHI is doing a great job at tanking their asset and Simmons is doing a great job at tanking himself.

Simmons has more accolades now. In the future, I am guessing Brown will have more accolades

well it doesn't appear either one is going to get any accolades this year unless Brown comes back soon and misses no more games or Simmons gets traded in the next few weeks. 

Going forward, I think Simmons making an All Defense Team is the most likely accolade either one will earn because Simmons is the best wing and guard defender in the sport.  The only guy anywhere near his impact defensively is Gobert and he is really limited defensively because he can basically only guard centers.

What? Brown has misses two games so far, even if he misses like 6 more which would put him at the long end of the injury timetable its not like 8 games missed on a season is going to stop him from making an all star or all-nba team. In today's NBA if you play 60 game on the season you're fine for that kind of stuff. I guess it gives him less wiggle room going forward, but right now this injury alone shouldn't effect accolades.

Also, who actually cares about accolades? Westbrook has more accolades than almost anyone and I wouldn't take that dude for free. Who  gives you a better chance of winning in the playoffs. Its Jaylen, and its not close. I would trade Jaylen in the right deal (very reluctantly), but this aint it.

Holy **** someone other than me who just values how much lift a player provides to their teams! TP.

[Moranis]

It is pretty strange that people seem to basing Simmons' entire career on his last playoff series. Sure, he has some maturity issues to address, but it probably does suck being called out by your coach and best player. Most players would have been traded at that point and been excelling on their new team, but PHI continues to hold on to Simmons because he isn't as valued as they thought...I think this is fair, btw; a player doesn't automatically deserve to be traded when he is under contract just because he requested it.

As for Brown for Simmons, straight up - no way. But what if PHI was willing to add in two of Thybulle/Maxey/Curry and a future 1st or two? Not only do we improve our depth, but we improve the assets we have in order to trade for another star. Simmons as the 3rd best player with two clear stars ahead of him would probably be pretty lethal.

Brown would still be the best player in that trade.  Depth might improve a bit but so what?  You win in the NBA with star/elite players.

Hey, I'm a huge Brown fan, so I am not looking to trade him, but I am not going to pretend Simmons doesn't have more accolades to his name than Brown. Does that make Simmons better than Brown? Nope. But it isn't like we would be trading Brown for somebody definitely worse. In fact, it's entirely possible Simmons blossoms in a new environment and surpasses Brown once again. And getting all of those other pieces would just be icing on the cake.

All I am saying is people's last (and seemingly, only) impression of Simmons is that he is a weak, cowardly, overpaid player who can't shoot. When if Philly had just dealt him to another team this summer, he very likely would be playing at an All-Star level and everybody would have gotten over it. PHI is doing a great job at tanking their asset and Simmons is doing a great job at tanking himself.

Simmons has more accolades now. In the future, I am guessing Brown will have more accolades

well it doesn't appear either one is going to get any accolades this year unless Brown comes back soon and misses no more games or Simmons gets traded in the next few weeks. 

Going forward, I think Simmons making an All Defense Team is the most likely accolade either one will earn because Simmons is the best wing and guard defender in the sport.  The only guy anywhere near his impact defensively is Gobert and he is really limited defensively because he can basically only guard centers.

What? Brown has misses two games so far, even if he misses like 6 more which would put him at the long end of the injury timetable its not like 8 games missed on a season is going to stop him from making an all star or all-nba team. In today's NBA if you play 60 game on the season you're fine for that kind of stuff. I guess it gives him less wiggle room going forward, but right now this injury alone shouldn't effect accolades.

Also, who actually cares about accolades? Westbrook has more accolades than almost anyone and I wouldn't take that dude for free. Who  gives you a better chance of winning in the playoffs. Its Jaylen, and its not close. I would trade Jaylen in the right deal (very reluctantly), but this aint it.

Of course accolades don't really matter, but the players that get them actually deserve them (most of the time).  And if they deserve them, then they are doing something correctly on the court. 

As for who gives you a better chance of winning in the playoffs, I don't think that is clear as you think, especially when Jaylen is sitting on the bench with a suit on (he has missed playoff games in 3 of his 5 seasons and didn't play at all last year).

[Celtics2021]

It is pretty strange that people seem to basing Simmons' entire career on his last playoff series. Sure, he has some maturity issues to address, but it probably does suck being called out by your coach and best player. Most players would have been traded at that point and been excelling on their new team, but PHI continues to hold on to Simmons because he isn't as valued as they thought...I think this is fair, btw; a player doesn't automatically deserve to be traded when he is under contract just because he requested it.

As for Brown for Simmons, straight up - no way. But what if PHI was willing to add in two of Thybulle/Maxey/Curry and a future 1st or two? Not only do we improve our depth, but we improve the assets we have in order to trade for another star. Simmons as the 3rd best player with two clear stars ahead of him would probably be pretty lethal.

Brown would still be the best player in that trade.  Depth might improve a bit but so what?  You win in the NBA with star/elite players.

Hey, I'm a huge Brown fan, so I am not looking to trade him, but I am not going to pretend Simmons doesn't have more accolades to his name than Brown. Does that make Simmons better than Brown? Nope. But it isn't like we would be trading Brown for somebody definitely worse. In fact, it's entirely possible Simmons blossoms in a new environment and surpasses Brown once again. And getting all of those other pieces would just be icing on the cake.

All I am saying is people's last (and seemingly, only) impression of Simmons is that he is a weak, cowardly, overpaid player who can't shoot. When if Philly had just dealt him to another team this summer, he very likely would be playing at an All-Star level and everybody would have gotten over it. PHI is doing a great job at tanking their asset and Simmons is doing a great job at tanking himself.

Simmons has more accolades now. In the future, I am guessing Brown will have more accolades

well it doesn't appear either one is going to get any accolades this year unless Brown comes back soon and misses no more games or Simmons gets traded in the next few weeks. 

Going forward, I think Simmons making an All Defense Team is the most likely accolade either one will earn because Simmons is the best wing and guard defender in the sport.  The only guy anywhere near his impact defensively is Gobert and he is really limited defensively because he can basically only guard centers.

What? Brown has misses two games so far, even if he misses like 6 more which would put him at the long end of the injury timetable its not like 8 games missed on a season is going to stop him from making an all star or all-nba team. In today's NBA if you play 60 game on the season you're fine for that kind of stuff. I guess it gives him less wiggle room going forward, but right now this injury alone shouldn't effect accolades.

Also, who actually cares about accolades? Westbrook has more accolades than almost anyone and I wouldn't take that dude for free. Who  gives you a better chance of winning in the playoffs. Its Jaylen, and its not close. I would trade Jaylen in the right deal (very reluctantly), but this aint it.

Of course accolades don't really matter, but the players that get them actually deserve them (most of the time).  And if they deserve them, then they are doing something correctly on the court. 

As for who gives you a better chance of winning in the playoffs, I don't think that is clear as you think, especially when Jaylen is sitting on the bench with a suit on (he has missed playoff games in 3 of his 5 seasons and didn't play at all last year).

Jaylen has only missed games in 2 of 5 playoff appearances due to injury.  As a rookie he had a DNP-CD in his first career playoff series.  He’s been injured for 6 of his team’s 68 playoff games in his career, being available for 91% of his team’s games.

Simmons has missed 4 of his team’s 38 career playoff games, being available for 89%.  Like Jaylen he has also missed an entire playoffs.

This is yet another argument you’ve made that has no basis in reality.

[Phantom255x]

Also it's funny to me that despite all that's happened in recent years there still seem to be posters here defending and/or saying they wouldn't mind Simmons or hell, even Kyrie here again. Sadly they probably aren't even trolling either.

[jambr380]

Also it's funny to me that despite all that's happened in recent years there still seem to be posters here defending and/or saying they wouldn't mind Simmons or hell, even Kyrie here again. Sadly they probably aren't even trolling either.

Again, if PHI has just traded Simmons this summer, he would be tearing it up for another franchise, and all of this made up drama would have never existed. So the dude passed to a teammate instead of  taking a lay-up in a playoff game. Geez. Both Simmons and PHI have been overly stubborn in this case and this is the end result. Well, not end result. He will eventually be traded and very likely go on to have an excellent career, and PHI will get something for him. Comparing Simmons to Kyrie seems off-base.

[Walker Wiggle]

I know this has probably been said in a different way, but the problem here is that we are not just comparing the two players' skill sets. If that were the case, I would make that trade even assuming that Simmons never learns to shoot the ball, and is a virtually zero as a scorer. That's how good I think Simmons is that those other things, namely defense, ballhandling, and passing.

No, the problem isn't the skills, it's the brains. You'd be a trading a player with a really good head on his shoulders who's reliable, team-oriented, and works his *** off to get better every year for a player who doesn't seem to prioritize winning and hasn't shown much growth since he came into the league.

[BringToughnessBack]

1. He is a generational talent and fulfills a need (PG) that is glaring.

2. He can play four positions and is a + defender.

3. We can replace Jaylen with Bradley Beal in free agency.

4. A team outlined below are legitimate contenders and breaks us through the treadmill feeling we’ve all experienced the last decade:

Ben Simmons
Bradley Beal
Jayson Tatum
Al Horford
Robert Williams III

Why I am not all in.....

1.  Simmons Can't shoot
2.  Simmons shows no desire to improve his shot
3.  Simmons lacks heart, is he lazy, does he care
4.  Simmons has brought the Sixers nothing with loaded teams
5.  Simmons  is  a PF pretending to be a PG
6.  Simmons is a diva
7.   Simmons might have mental health problems
8.   Simmons has zero leadership skills
9.   Simmons passed a dunk during a playoff game because he was afraid to shoot fouls shots, this cost his team the game
10.  Simmons team mates seem to be doing better without him

Add I dont want to see Doc and the Sixers win multiple titles over the next 5-10 years. Brown and Embiid and parts would be a brutal duo and dominate.