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Re: Smart Foul with 12 seconds left/5 seconds on shot clock
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2021, 12:58:30 PM »

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my point remains the coaches should have pressed upon the team not to risk any fouls.

Re: Smart Foul with 12 seconds left/5 seconds on shot clock
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2021, 01:16:32 PM »

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Re: Smart Foul with 12 seconds left/5 seconds on shot clock
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2021, 01:34:43 PM »

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Smart makes plays. Sometimes they are winning plays, sometimes they are losing plays.

Re: Smart Foul with 12 seconds left/5 seconds on shot clock
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2021, 01:41:41 PM »

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Well, with all these NO CALLS in the league this season, that wasn't much of a foul anyway
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Re: Smart Foul with 12 seconds left/5 seconds on shot clock
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2021, 02:23:57 PM »

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my point remains the coaches should have pressed upon the team not to risk any fouls.
The coach did. Smart still made the bad play and fouled. Udoka's statement of having to do a better job of communication is nothing more than taking heat off his player for screwing up. Coaches have been doing that for decades. Belichick does it constantly.

This wasn't a coaching error. This was a Smart screw up.

Re: Smart Foul with 12 seconds left/5 seconds on shot clock
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2021, 02:28:27 PM »

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I guess the response to the thread title should be — no it wasn’t.

Re: Smart Foul with 12 seconds left/5 seconds on shot clock
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2021, 02:28:38 PM »

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Re: Smart Foul with 12 seconds left/5 seconds on shot clock
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2021, 02:36:44 PM »

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my point remains the coaches should have pressed upon the team not to risk any fouls.
The coach did. Smart still made the bad play and fouled. Udoka's statement of having to do a better job of communication is nothing more than taking heat off his player for screwing up. Coaches have been doing that for decades. Belichick does it constantly.

This wasn't a coaching error. This was a Smart screw up.

Udoka himself took the blame said he needs to do a better coaching job. So listen to the coach and ease up on Smart.

Re: Smart Foul with 12 seconds left/5 seconds on shot clock
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2021, 03:19:23 PM »

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my point remains the coaches should have pressed upon the team not to risk any fouls.
The coach did. Smart still made the bad play and fouled. Udoka's statement of having to do a better job of communication is nothing more than taking heat off his player for screwing up. Coaches have been doing that for decades. Belichick does it constantly.

This wasn't a coaching error. This was a Smart screw up.

Udoka himself took the blame said he needs to do a better coaching job. So listen to the coach and ease up on Smart.
The coach said there was no call for a foul on that play. Smart screwed up. As I said, Udoka learned a lesson about throwing players under the bus and said communication needs to be better.

Communication works two ways. You can be the best communicator, but if the person you're talking to doesn't listen or misinterprets or flat out ignores you, that's not on you, that's on them.

Udoka can and probably did make it well known not to foul but Smart didn't listen. That's all on Smart. Udoka saying he needs to be better is a platitude to take heat off his player. Listen to any Belichick presser after a loss. He does the same thing.
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Re: Smart Foul with 12 seconds left/5 seconds on shot clock
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my point remains the coaches should have pressed upon the team not to risk any fouls.
The coach did. Smart still made the bad play and fouled. Udoka's statement of having to do a better job of communication is nothing more than taking heat off his player for screwing up. Coaches have been doing that for decades. Belichick does it constantly.

This wasn't a coaching error. This was a Smart screw up.

Udoka himself took the blame said he needs to do a better coaching job. So listen to the coach and ease up on Smart.
Of course the coach is going to try and take the blame, instead of the insecure egotistic player in Smart.
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Re: Smart Foul with 12 seconds left/5 seconds on shot clock
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2021, 04:04:01 PM »

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I had enough with Smart last year in the playoff game, when he chose to launch a corner three rather than passing it to an open Brown waiting under the basket.

I couldn’t believe my eyes that the “heart and soul” of my beloved Celtics could do such a selfish move. It was not only dumb, but also a blatant disregard of his own team mate.

If someone has an “agenda”, as someone suggested in this forum, it is Smart who had that agenda of manipulating us into giving him such a big contract extension.

So far I rather have DS than Smart. DS is in a contract year, but he hasn’t exhibited any sign that he plays for himself. In fact, he is a big reason why we had a few wins in our column.
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Re: Smart Foul with 12 seconds left/5 seconds on shot clock
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2021, 04:16:39 PM »

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my point remains the coaches should have pressed upon the team not to risk any fouls.
The coach did. Smart still made the bad play and fouled. Udoka's statement of having to do a better job of communication is nothing more than taking heat off his player for screwing up. Coaches have been doing that for decades. Belichick does it constantly.

This wasn't a coaching error. This was a Smart screw up.

Udoka himself took the blame said he needs to do a better coaching job. So listen to the coach and ease up on Smart.
The coach said there was no call for a foul on that play. Smart screwed up. As I said, Udoka learned a lesson about throwing players under the bus and said communication needs to be better.

Communication works two ways. You can be the best communicator, but if the person you're talking to doesn't listen or misinterprets or flat out ignores you, that's not on you, that's on them.

Udoka can and probably did make it well known not to foul but Smart didn't listen. That's all on Smart. Udoka saying he needs to be better is a platitude to take heat off his player. Listen to any Belichick presser after a loss. He does the same thing.

Udoka’s schtick is definitely not working on you.

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Re: Smart Foul with 12 seconds left/5 seconds on shot clock
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2021, 04:49:10 PM »

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I'm pretty much done with Smart. For all the talk of "hustle" and "winning plays" which were true for so many years, now he clearly just picks and chooses when to hustle and frankly I recall more losing plays from him over the past few years than winning plays, last night included.

Sure, he'll hit the occasional big 3 late in a game, but that's usually after large stretches of going something like 3-30 from behind the arc which is sometimes why we are trailing in games early.

Now I understand Brown's out, so he'll have to take more shots. But Smart's shooting 30% from the field this season and 28% from behind the arc. Big yikes.

Not to take away from the point being made about his play this season, but he took 5 shots (and 4 FTs) last night, just saying...

He’s the reason they lost, but also one of the reasons they were still in the game. I don’t even mind Smart shooting 6-8 times a game, as long as they are not 3’s. Midrange and in the paint he’s much better.

Okay I'll admit looking back at the post, maybe I was a tad too harsh. But idk, I'm just souring on the Smart experience. Overall, he acts like he's the 3rd best player on the team both on and off the court which he definitely isn't, and also lets not fool ourselves, Smart will show hustle some stretches but then there'll be others where he's truly not trying and making boneheaded plays. That's not an exaggeration, we see that while watching the game.

Granted, I think Jaylen and Tatum are guilty of that too, but they are actual stars and are capable of taking over games when needed. Smart isn't.

It's not just the Dallas game, it's the start of the season and even last year with Smart now.
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Re: Smart Foul with 12 seconds left/5 seconds on shot clock
« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2021, 12:51:19 AM »

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my point remains the coaches should have pressed upon the team not to risk any fouls.
I mean, okay, it’s the coaches job.  But I bet every fans immediate reaction was what the heck you doing Marcus?  I don’t think anyone thought it was okay to foul in that situation.  I’m betting every player on and off the floor knew not to foul in that situation.  Smart made an infinitely stupid play. 

On a side note, I’m glad I’m not reading an endless amount of trade Marcus posts.  If people say bench him I can ride with that but I hate when people immediately say trade a guy because they think he stinks.  Expect something smelly in return or to give up something to get rid of him.  But you can’t turn trash into treasure.

Re: Smart Foul with 12 seconds left/5 seconds on shot clock
« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2021, 05:07:18 AM »

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I immediately said why?

Smart wasn't going for a steal on the foul like he did on the previous play that went out of bounds. Smart is a veteran not a rookie or new player.

Udoku said he told players not to foul. Either he's a horrible communicator or Smart has no idea of the situation or BOTH.

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After the loss, it was Udoka who took the blame.

"It was not supposed to be a foul," the coach said. "Feel the guys asked me coming out of timeout, I let them know. Just a mistake there."

Udoku added, "That’s something we got to let everybody know and make sure they know. Obviously, with five, six-second differential, we want that last shot. I gotta communicate that to everybody so everybody knows."

What now??? Another team meeting about game situations? Did we blow up this team enough or did we blow up the wrong parts from last season/s?

Probably just had a brain fade like usual. Some of his brain fades work in our favor, some don't. There was no coach instruction to foul in that instance so it was clearly a heat of the moment thing.
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