This is not the final roster

[seancally]

Brad has a move or two to make in-season, and more in the offseason. Despite the glut of solid role players at the guard spot, I actually think we’re missing a lead PG. It isn’t Smart, it isn’t Schroeder. I think Brad wants to find out what Tatum looks like without a lead guard - IT, Kyrie, Kemba… heck even Rozier would look great on this roster. We’ll find out over the next 20-30 games. But Kemba did play the part while he was here, and now there’s something of a void.

We also need to see what Timelord looks like in an expanded role, and the early returns are positive. Grant Williams has also looked strong. Between those two, Horford (looks great but is not your long-term solution), and spot minutes for Parker — plus Tatum — we don’t need more at the big spot. Sure if you can get a superstar big I’ll take it but that’s not the issue right now. The issue is Tatum now being the main offensive force, and having to be a playmaker in a much bigger way than has been required of him thus far. Maybe he’ll grow into it, time will tell.

We also know we have money to spend in free agency, and we have good contracts for trades at various salary levels. That was intentional. This is not the team Brad is going to go championship or bust with. We had to get financial flexibility first and then we’ll see what happens.

[PhoSita]

Yes, but I think this season is a very important testing ground both for this coach and for the players at the top of this roster.

The explanation last year was COVID, lack of experienced depth, Kemba's knee, injuries, Brad being burnt out / the guys tuning him out ....

Brad addressed those issues in the off-season reasonably well, at least on paper.

Its very early yet. Too early to draw conclusions.

But so far it certainly feels like more of the same, despite the changes. So this seems to point to the idea that perhaps a team with Tatum and Brown as it's best two players is just not going to be particularly above average, let alone potentially very good. 

If that is true, the talk about making moves to turn this team into a contender would seem to be misplaced. I think we would be having a much harder conversation about what comes next.

But we aren't there yet. Here's hoping the coach starts to figure some things out (maybe give Brad a call for some advice on some late game play calls) and the stars start to hit more of a rhythm.

[Goldstar88]

Brad has a move or two to make in-season, and more in the offseason. Despite the glut of solid role players at the guard spot, I actually think we’re missing a lead PG. It isn’t Smart, it isn’t Schroeder. I think Brad wants to find out what Tatum looks like without a lead guard - IT, Kyrie, Kemba… heck even Rozier would look great on this roster. We’ll find out over the next 20-30 games. But Kemba did play the part while he was here, and now there’s something of a void.

We also need to see what Timelord looks like in an expanded role, and the early returns are positive. Grant Williams has also looked strong. Between those two, Horford (looks great but is not your long-term solution), and spot minutes for Parker — plus Tatum — we don’t need more at the big spot. Sure if you can get a superstar big I’ll take it but that’s not the issue right now. The issue is Tatum now being the main offensive force, and having to be a playmaker in a much bigger way than has been required of him thus far. Maybe he’ll grow into it, time will tell.

We also know we have money to spend in free agency, and we have good contracts for trades at various salary levels. That was intentional. This is not the team Brad is going to go championship or bust with. We had to get financial flexibility first and then we’ll see what happens.

Way to early to be making this assertion. Schroder has played 6 games as a Celtic. He had 9ast and only 1 TO tonight. Who exactly do you think Brad is going to be able to bring in? He was thrilled that Dennis decided to come to Boston. I do agree that this team needs to make some moves, though. A veteran shooting guard that can actually shoot and a backup PF would be nice.

Kemba, IT, Kyrie, and Rozier would look great on this roster? I can’t tell if you are being serious with that statement.

[hodgy03038]

God I hope not. Very disappointed in this team so far. Uneven offensive performances from the stars. A lot of bad shooting. I feel that Horford so far has been our best and most consistent player. I thought they showed some defensive heart tonight late. I can't get over Montrez Harrell. It seems that he should immediately go into the Hall of Fame yet the last year or two he has been absent.

[Celtics4ever]

So if you were our GM do you think we could make move to improve the team  or just view it as a holdover year?  I think that question will determine what step we take. If so what would the roster move you would make?   The fan base won't like standing pat but sometimes the best trade is one you don't make.     I personally think it is too early and we should try to nab a talent when the trade deadline comes.   Cavs should be selling on Sexton then and who knows who else you could pick up..... I would not make the move now.

I would try to get a power forward, I think it is a big hole for us.

You can only miss on so many draft picks and not hurt your time, missing on multiple times like we did the last few years really hurts the team.   Precious Achiuwa, Matisse Thybulle and Desmond Bane are prime examples of guys we could have had.   Not saying Nesmith is done or a bust, but for whatever reason this coach does not trust him.

[seancally]

So if you were our GM do you think we could make move to improve the team  or just view it as a holdover year?  I think that question will determine what step we take. If so what would the roster move you would make?   The fan base won't like standing pat but sometimes the best trade is one you don't make.     I personally think it is too early and we should try to nab a talent when the trade deadline comes.   Cavs should be selling on Sexton then and who knows who else you could pick up..... I would not make the move now.

I would try to get a power forward, I think it is a big hole for us.

You can only miss on so many draft picks and not hurt your time, missing on multiple times like we did the last few years really hurts the team.   Precious Achiuwa, Matisse Thybulle and Desmond Bane are prime examples of guys we could have had.   Not saying Nesmith is done or a bust, but for whatever reason this coach does not trust him.

Going into the season I felt this was a holdover year. With cap space coming in the offseason and Horford becoming a decent expiring contract I think there are some options. But I’m not against in-season moves if the right thing presents itself. And I do think Tatum and Brown are still the core of the team and worth building around.

[seancally]

Brad has a move or two to make in-season, and more in the offseason. Despite the glut of solid role players at the guard spot, I actually think we’re missing a lead PG. It isn’t Smart, it isn’t Schroeder. I think Brad wants to find out what Tatum looks like without a lead guard - IT, Kyrie, Kemba… heck even Rozier would look great on this roster. We’ll find out over the next 20-30 games. But Kemba did play the part while he was here, and now there’s something of a void.

We also need to see what Timelord looks like in an expanded role, and the early returns are positive. Grant Williams has also looked strong. Between those two, Horford (looks great but is not your long-term solution), and spot minutes for Parker — plus Tatum — we don’t need more at the big spot. Sure if you can get a superstar big I’ll take it but that’s not the issue right now. The issue is Tatum now being the main offensive force, and having to be a playmaker in a much bigger way than has been required of him thus far. Maybe he’ll grow into it, time will tell.

We also know we have money to spend in free agency, and we have good contracts for trades at various salary levels. That was intentional. This is not the team Brad is going to go championship or bust with. We had to get financial flexibility first and then we’ll see what happens.

Way to early to be making this assertion. Schroder has played 6 games as a Celtic. He had 9ast and only 1 TO tonight. Who exactly do you think Brad is going to be able to bring in? He was thrilled that Dennis decided to come to Boston. I do agree that this team needs to make some moves, though. A veteran shooting guard that can actually shoot and a backup PF would be nice.

Kemba, IT, Kyrie, and Rozier would look great on this roster? I can’t tell if you are being serious with that statement.

I said that even Rozier would look great on this roster. Was just listing the PGs we’ve had over the last few years. No I don’t want them all back but they were all lead guards who were the main playmakers during their time. Tatum could slot in as a scorer. Now he’s the playmaker and he needs to figure out how to do that. Otherwise we need another scoring/playmaking PG and I don’t think Schroeder is that guy. I’ve seen him on teams other than Boston and didn’t think he was that guy there either.

[Celtics4ever]

I miss Terry as well.

[mobilija]

Title of thread could be fixed slightly....

This is not a finals roster.

 

[jambr380]

Just a note for the OP - we have absolutely no money to spend in this upcoming FA. We used it all on extensions for Smart, Richardson, and TL. Horford is also going to cost us $14.5M even if we just waive him.

We may have flexibility depending on how other teams view our players on these mid-range contracts, but we're not exactly in an awesome place moving forward in terms of the cap. In face, it is going to be near impossible to re-sign Schroder if he actually does have a good year.

[SHAQATTACK]

Title of thread could be fixed slightly....

This is not a finals roster.

 

More like …” Ime’s Waterloo “

[Jvalin]

I believe we are one blockbuster deal away from legit contention status. Hopefully, we have the assets to make it work. After all, we got all our future firsts intact. Off the top of my head, three potential targets come to mind: Simmons, Beal, Siakam

[slamtheking]

I believe we are one blockbuster deal away from legit contention status. Hopefully, we have the assets to make it work. After all, we got all our future firsts intact. Off the top of my head, three potential targets come to mind: Simmons, Beal, Siakam

late first rounders and draft swaps aren't enough to get Beal and Siakam.  I don't think either of them get us to legit contender status.   they'd make us better provided we didn't give up either of the J's but what we really need it to get a major upgrade at PG or C/PF. 

Simmons is just a trainwreck now.  he hasn't improved his offense from his rookie year.  he wouldn't improve our scoring where we could survive a cold shooting night from either of the J's.

[Moranis]

I believe we are one blockbuster deal away from legit contention status. Hopefully, we have the assets to make it work. After all, we got all our future firsts intact. Off the top of my head, three potential targets come to mind: Simmons, Beal, Siakam

For what they would likely cost and fit on the roster Siakam makes the most sense of those 3.  I'm not sure we have enough though for any of them without including Brown and that doesn't make sense.  We'd need a 3rd team to take some of our vets and provide young players to Toronto.  So like if we could Wiseman for Smart (or something like that). 

So in January, maybe something like this

Boston - Siakam, Dragic, Looney
Golden St. - Smart, G. Williams, Horford
Toronto - Wiggins, Wiseman, Langford, Nesmith, Bos 22 1st, Bos 24 1st

Something like that, but we'd also have to trade Horford but at least he'd go to a contender in that scenario (Warriors would save cash and get another versatile wing defender and a real option at center). 

So post-trade

Starters - Dragic, Brown, Tatum, Siakam, R. Williams
Rotation - Schroder, Pritchard, Richardson, Parker, Kanter, Looney
Deep Bench - Hernangomez, Fernando

I like how that roster shakes out both for the rest of year and long term a lot better as you have a nice young big 3 with RW as a long term center and PP as potential long term PG.  Over the summer, ideally you'd keep Dragic or Schroder (if not both), but it provides some options there.

[slamtheking]

I believe we are one blockbuster deal away from legit contention status. Hopefully, we have the assets to make it work. After all, we got all our future firsts intact. Off the top of my head, three potential targets come to mind: Simmons, Beal, Siakam

For what they would likely cost and fit on the roster Siakam makes the most sense of those 3.  I'm not sure we have enough though for any of them without including Brown and that doesn't make sense.  We'd need a 3rd team to take some of our vets and provide young players to Toronto.  So like if we could Wiseman for Smart (or something like that). 

So in January, maybe something like this

Boston - Siakam, Dragic, Looney
Golden St. - Smart, G. Williams, Horford
Toronto - Wiggins, Wiseman, Langford, Nesmith, Bos 22 1st, Bos 24 1st

Something like that, but we'd also have to trade Horford but at least he'd go to a contender in that scenario (Warriors would save cash and get another versatile wing defender and a real option at center). 

So post-trade

Starters - Dragic, Brown, Tatum, Siakam, R. Williams
Rotation - Schroder, Pritchard, Richardson, Parker, Kanter, Looney
Deep Bench - Hernangomez, Fernando

I like how that roster shakes out both for the rest of year and long term a lot better as you have a nice young big 3 with RW as a long term center and PP as potential long term PG.  Over the summer, ideally you'd keep Dragic or Schroder (if not both), but it provides some options there.

heavy price to pay for the C's.  really don't like moving Al without getting a solid center back since Al's been our most consistent and arguably our most valuable player this year.  Without Al, we're likely 0-6 and getting beaten badly.