Not signing Fournier…

[Moranis]

Evan Fournier:  the fifth option, poor man’s Korver whose only skill is shooting.  Got it.

😂🤣😅

Korver made an all star team though because he is a top 5 shooter in the history of the sport.  Founier is obviously a better ball handler than Korver and certainly has the ball in his hand more than Korver ever did, but he is a much worse shooter and not near good enough as a ball handler or all around player to make up for the huge gap between their shooting.  I absolutely would have much rather had prime Korver than prime Fournier as Korver is a much useful player over the course of his game with his all time great shooting.  Basketball isn't a pickup game, it a team sport where the totality matters.  Fournier is a great shooter, but literally does nothing else well and is bad at a lot of things.  So even if does some of those other things better than Korver, it just in my mind doesn't make up for the significant difference in shooting. 

[footey]

Evan Fournier:  the fifth option, poor man’s Korver whose only skill is shooting.  Got it.

😂🤣😅

Korver made an all star team though because he is a top 5 shooter in the history of the sport.  Founier is obviously a better ball handler than Korver and certainly has the ball in his hand more than Korver ever did, but he is a much worse shooter and not near good enough as a ball handler or all around player to make up for the huge gap between their shooting.  I absolutely would have much rather had prime Korver than prime Fournier as Korver is a much useful player over the course of his game with his all time great shooting.  Basketball isn't a pickup game, it a team sport where the totality matters.  Fournier is a great shooter, but literally does nothing else well and is bad at a lot of things.  So even if does some of those other things better than Korver, it just in my mind doesn't make up for the significant difference in shooting.

Fournier does nothing else besides shooting? He burned JB and Rob Williams driving baseline for easy buckets several times, and set up an alley oop play after dribble penetration.  He is actually quite adept at doing things besides just shooting.

Korver is a career .429 3 point shooter, which is ridiculous. No one probably comes close to that. But Fournier is no slouch from 3 (career .380).  They are much different players, really, don't know how Korver even came up in this discussion. 

[Neurotic Guy]

I must admit I was not impressed with him last year. I was fine with letting him go and developing Nesmith and Langford.
After watching Wednesday night’s game, I might have been wrong.
But, it’s only a one game sample. I’ll get back to you all in a few weeks

I'm with you on all counts.  Not impressed last year and this is one game.   Let's see how he does, but also how the current C's do in filling the 3,4,5 scoring options.

[BruceBanner18]

I must admit I was not impressed with him last year. I was fine with letting him go and developing Nesmith and Langford.
After watching Wednesday night’s game, I might have been wrong.
But, it’s only a one game sample. I’ll get back to you all in a few weeks

I'm with you on all counts.  Not impressed last year and this is one game.   Let's see how he does, but also how the current C's do in filling the 3,4,5 scoring options.

Fournier definitely would be an improvement on the floor this season, but it's about the opportunity cost and trade value at the deadline and next summer. It's not a coincidence that Richardson's somewhat surprising 1 year extension keeps him as a tradeable asset next summer.

[Roy H.]

I must admit I was not impressed with him last year. I was fine with letting him go and developing Nesmith and Langford.
After watching Wednesday night’s game, I might have been wrong.
But, it’s only a one game sample. I’ll get back to you all in a few weeks

I'm with you on all counts.  Not impressed last year and this is one game.   Let's see how he does, but also how the current C's do in filling the 3,4,5 scoring options.

Fournier definitely would be an improvement on the floor this season, but it's about the opportunity cost and trade value at the deadline and next summer. It's not a coincidence that Richardson's somewhat surprising 1 year extension keeps him as a tradeable asset next summer.

Why do you suspect that Fournier wouldn’t be a tradeable asset? 

[Moranis]

Evan Fournier:  the fifth option, poor man’s Korver whose only skill is shooting.  Got it.

😂🤣😅

Korver made an all star team though because he is a top 5 shooter in the history of the sport.  Founier is obviously a better ball handler than Korver and certainly has the ball in his hand more than Korver ever did, but he is a much worse shooter and not near good enough as a ball handler or all around player to make up for the huge gap between their shooting.  I absolutely would have much rather had prime Korver than prime Fournier as Korver is a much useful player over the course of his game with his all time great shooting.  Basketball isn't a pickup game, it a team sport where the totality matters.  Fournier is a great shooter, but literally does nothing else well and is bad at a lot of things.  So even if does some of those other things better than Korver, it just in my mind doesn't make up for the significant difference in shooting.

Fournier does nothing else besides shooting? He burned JB and Rob Williams driving baseline for easy buckets several times, and set up an alley oop play after dribble penetration.  He is actually quite adept at doing things besides just shooting.

Korver is a career .429 3 point shooter, which is ridiculous. No one probably comes close to that. But Fournier is no slouch from 3 (career .380).  They are much different players, really, don't know how Korver even came up in this discussion.

because I said you don't pay guys like Korver twice the MLE over 3 years.  That isn't good roster or cap management. 

[liam]

If we have kept Bane this would be a moot point.

 

[BruceBanner18]

I must admit I was not impressed with him last year. I was fine with letting him go and developing Nesmith and Langford.
After watching Wednesday night’s game, I might have been wrong.
But, it’s only a one game sample. I’ll get back to you all in a few weeks

I'm with you on all counts.  Not impressed last year and this is one game.   Let's see how he does, but also how the current C's do in filling the 3,4,5 scoring options.

Fournier definitely would be an improvement on the floor this season, but it's about the opportunity cost and trade value at the deadline and next summer. It's not a coincidence that Richardson's somewhat surprising 1 year extension keeps him as a tradeable asset next summer.

Why do you suspect that Fournier wouldn’t be a tradeable asset?

Good question. The type of trades we're likely to be interested in are for a third 'all stars" like Beal Lillard KAT. The trade partner in that trade wouldn't be targeting guys like Fornier or Richardson, right? They'll target Rob, Nesmith, Langford, Pritchard frp's. Everything else in that trade mostly for salary and roster flexibility. Fournier next summer for 2 yrs/37m seems less flexibility than Richardson's expiring 13m while they can both fill a similar on court role. Does that logic make sense to you?

Plus there wasn't exactly a bidding war over Fournier this summer and maybe I just assume the the NYK always over pay lol

[Roy H.]

Evan Fournier:  the fifth option, poor man’s Korver whose only skill is shooting.  Got it.

😂🤣😅

Korver made an all star team though because he is a top 5 shooter in the history of the sport.  Founier is obviously a better ball handler than Korver and certainly has the ball in his hand more than Korver ever did, but he is a much worse shooter and not near good enough as a ball handler or all around player to make up for the huge gap between their shooting.  I absolutely would have much rather had prime Korver than prime Fournier as Korver is a much useful player over the course of his game with his all time great shooting.  Basketball isn't a pickup game, it a team sport where the totality matters.  Fournier is a great shooter, but literally does nothing else well and is bad at a lot of things.  So even if does some of those other things better than Korver, it just in my mind doesn't make up for the significant difference in shooting.

Fournier does nothing else besides shooting? He burned JB and Rob Williams driving baseline for easy buckets several times, and set up an alley oop play after dribble penetration.  He is actually quite adept at doing things besides just shooting.

Korver is a career .429 3 point shooter, which is ridiculous. No one probably comes close to that. But Fournier is no slouch from 3 (career .380).  They are much different players, really, don't know how Korver even came up in this discussion.

because I said you don't pay guys like Korver twice the MLE over 3 years.  That isn't good roster or cap management.

Paying Korver the MLEx2 in his prime would have been fine, and Fournier is a better scorer, more complete player and still an excellent shooter (top 5th percentile based upon volume and percentage).

There’s a very good class of guys between the MLE and max contracts. 

[Roy H.]

Two games.

[gouki88]

Two games.

His 25/4/3/3 sure would have helped these last two games. As would Hayward's 23/6/3...

[RodyTur10]

Very dumb decision. If Nesmith was ready to takeover then I could understand why they did go this way, but apparently he's not as he's barely playing. The Celtics NEED that offball-shooter in their line-up to open the court for our go-to-scorers. We lack a floor general and when our shooting is also woeful our offense is going to be a problem.

On the other hand, last night from deep, Richardson went 4/4, Langford 2/3, Pritchard 1/3, G-Will 1/1.
Maybe it's also a lack of trust?

Anyway, I don't like our starting unit. Due to Horford and Timelord both starting we went ultrasmall with our second unit (Pritchard, Schröder, Richardson, Langford, G-Will). That's: 2 PG's, 2 SG's, 1 PF and clearly didn't work.

Maybe Horford and Timelord can close the game together, but I would want one of them on the court all the time, and find that offball wing who's reliable with the three to fill in that starting five. Surprisingly that may actually be Langford considering his current form.

[Celtics4ever]

Speaking of Nesmith anyone else  sad we didn't get Precious Achiuwa instead?

[Somebody]

Evan Fournier:  the fifth option, poor man’s Korver whose only skill is shooting.  Got it.

😂🤣😅

Korver made an all star team though because he is a top 5 shooter in the history of the sport.  Founier is obviously a better ball handler than Korver and certainly has the ball in his hand more than Korver ever did, but he is a much worse shooter and not near good enough as a ball handler or all around player to make up for the huge gap between their shooting.  I absolutely would have much rather had prime Korver than prime Fournier as Korver is a much useful player over the course of his game with his all time great shooting.  Basketball isn't a pickup game, it a team sport where the totality matters.  Fournier is a great shooter, but literally does nothing else well and is bad at a lot of things.  So even if does some of those other things better than Korver, it just in my mind doesn't make up for the significant difference in shooting.

Fournier does nothing else besides shooting? He burned JB and Rob Williams driving baseline for easy buckets several times, and set up an alley oop play after dribble penetration.  He is actually quite adept at doing things besides just shooting.

Korver is a career .429 3 point shooter, which is ridiculous. No one probably comes close to that. But Fournier is no slouch from 3 (career .380).  They are much different players, really, don't know how Korver even came up in this discussion.

because I said you don't pay guys like Korver twice the MLE over 3 years.  That isn't good roster or cap management.

And Korver is probably the better player than Fournier. I still don't buy Fournier being anything more than a floor spacer with some ability to attack closeouts and make the extra pass in the playoffs, heck he had his best playoff series in his career by playing that exact role against a porous defence last postseason! Anyways, if I'm a high level team looking for a fourth or fifth piece I'd probably pick Korver - his ability to just fly off screens and knock down all sorts of C&S jumpshots on high volume (I think there's a couple of things to note about Fournier's three point shooting other than the numbers here: quite a bit of those threes come from trying to pull up after a dribble or two from DHOs or PnRs and they aren't super accurate against tougher postseason defences, and his off-ball threes are nowhere as dynamic as Korver's) is more valuable when you have high-end creators around him.

[Sophomore]

Speaking of Nesmith anyone else  sad we didn't get Precious Achiuwa instead?

That thought came to mind a few times last night.