Celtics to name a team captain?

[BudweiserCeltic]

I can't believe people want Al after he walked on this team.

Well the players understand its business at the end of the day. They can still be close friends and leave for a team that pays them more.

He didn't even give them time to consider 76ers offer. He didn't want to play with the team anymore it wasn't just money. There were reports of them being able to go higher after Kemba was officially made a sign and trade but Al bolted.

So Mr. "Flat Earth, not getting vaxed" had nothing to do with Horford's decision?  Al left a dysfunctional team and is coming back to a better one.

Don't think Kyrie had much to do with anything. Kyrie's decision was made before Al left. The problem with Horford was one of money more than anything, the Celtics didn't offer him a big contract like Philly did. It was only after we managed to get Kemba that we could now turn to Horford and try to make a deal that worked for him, but it was too late.

[LilRip]

I can't believe people want Al after he walked on this team.

Well the players understand its business at the end of the day. They can still be close friends and leave for a team that pays them more.

He didn't even give them time to consider 76ers offer. He didn't want to play with the team anymore it wasn't just money. There were reports of them being able to go higher after Kemba was officially made a sign and trade but Al bolted.

So Mr. "Flat Earth, not getting vaxed" had nothing to do with Horford's decision?  Al left a dysfunctional team and is coming back to a better one.

So a guy who can't manage turmoil when things get tough is the guy to lead?

This seems disingenuous. Philly offered a contract DA seemingly didn’t want to match. On top of that (at least coming from Embiid’s comments), Horford was signed because he was supposed to be a talent fit with Ben Simmons and this was at the height of the Philly hype and they were projected to be a contender at the time. Meanwhile, everyone was jumping ship from the C’s and we were projected to go nowhere (at least until DA scrambled to get Kemba onboard)

So really the decision for Horford was:
Option A: join a contender, play a big role, and get paid more money
Option B: take a step back, go on a semi-rebuilding year while playing for less money

[LilRip]

I tend to agree. Don’t really see the point of it.


John Karalis: Marcus Smart: “It wouldn’t matter to me if I got captain or not. Having the title captain means nothing. It’s just a title. Anybody can be a captain … we’re all grown here. Gotta go out there and do a job”

Ehhh, while I see what Smart means, I’m not a fan of his line of thinking. Having a recognized structure helps create more accountability for everyone. It’s like when Shaq went to the Heat and said it was Wade’s team. I’m pretty sure that had an impact. It forces people to step up, forces people to listen.

Maybe the reason why Smart sometimes takes such bad shots is because there’s a lack of accountability. I mean, who’s gonna call him out? JB?

The times when it doesn’t seem necessary is when there’s such a clear cut leader (like Lebron’s teams) who already sets the tone. But on flatter teams (like this C’s team where there are so many leaders), it might help.

[blink]

I don't get this honestly.  Naming a captain creates more issues that it solves, ie it solves no issue.
The guys who are naturally the leaders are going to lead the team.  I don't see any reason to do this.

[jambr380]

I can't believe people want Al after he walked on this team.

Well the players understand its business at the end of the day. They can still be close friends and leave for a team that pays them more.

He didn't even give them time to consider 76ers offer. He didn't want to play with the team anymore it wasn't just money. There were reports of them being able to go higher after Kemba was officially made a sign and trade but Al bolted.

Yeah, I like Al and am looking forward to his return, but dude might only be here for one year and he already bailed on the franchise once. People can blame the dysfunction caused by Kyrie, Rozier, and Morris; but literally all three of those guys left the offseason Al did.

And I hate how people always stick up for Al saying he had already committed to the Sixers. Who cares?! It was a well-documented case of tampering as this was well before the moratorium. He was already a Celtic, why would it matter if he changed his mind to stay with the Celtics? He just didn't want to be here anymore and was offered a boatload by Philly. I get it, it's a business, but I don't think it merits him being named captain.

We have two All-Stars with the potential to be superstars. It makes much more sense to encourage that growth by naming them captains, rather than giving it to a guy at the end of his career or Smart. Maybe it's just me, but I just don't think Jaylen would be cool with Smart and/or Tatum being named captain, but not him.

[Csfan1984]

I can't believe people want Al after he walked on this team.

Well the players understand its business at the end of the day. They can still be close friends and leave for a team that pays them more.

He didn't even give them time to consider 76ers offer. He didn't want to play with the team anymore it wasn't just money. There were reports of them being able to go higher after Kemba was officially made a sign and trade but Al bolted.

So Mr. "Flat Earth, not getting vaxed" had nothing to do with Horford's decision?  Al left a dysfunctional team and is coming back to a better one.

So a guy who can't manage turmoil when things get tough is the guy to lead?

This seems disingenuous. Philly offered a contract DA seemingly didn’t want to match. On top of that (at least coming from Embiid’s comments), Horford was signed because he was supposed to be a talent fit with Ben Simmons and this was at the height of the Philly hype and they were projected to be a contender at the time. Meanwhile, everyone was jumping ship from the C’s and we were projected to go nowhere (at least until DA scrambled to get Kemba onboard)

So really the decision for Horford was:
Option A: join a contender, play a big role, and get paid more money
Option B: take a step back, go on a semi-rebuilding year while playing for less money

There is nothing disingenuous about it you literally said he jumped ship when things got tough with option A over B. He was in a bigger roll here and the money was very close before they even made Kemba a sign and trade. If anything people here want to give him a pass for not being loyal and being apart of nothing but disappointing seasons his last two years here.

[Goldstar88]

I can't believe people want Al after he walked on this team.

Well the players understand its business at the end of the day. They can still be close friends and leave for a team that pays them more.

He didn't even give them time to consider 76ers offer. He didn't want to play with the team anymore it wasn't just money. There were reports of them being able to go higher after Kemba was officially made a sign and trade but Al bolted.

So Mr. "Flat Earth, not getting vaxed" had nothing to do with Horford's decision?  Al left a dysfunctional team and is coming back to a better one.

So a guy who can't manage turmoil when things get tough is the guy to lead?

This seems disingenuous. Philly offered a contract DA seemingly didn’t want to match. On top of that (at least coming from Embiid’s comments), Horford was signed because he was supposed to be a talent fit with Ben Simmons and this was at the height of the Philly hype and they were projected to be a contender at the time. Meanwhile, everyone was jumping ship from the C’s and we were projected to go nowhere (at least until DA scrambled to get Kemba onboard)

So really the decision for Horford was:
Option A: join a contender, play a big role, and get paid more money
Option B: take a step back, go on a semi-rebuilding year while playing for less money

There is nothing disingenuous about it you literally said he jumped ship when things got tough with option A over B. He was in a bigger roll here and the money was very close before they even made Kemba a sign and trade. If anything people here want to give him a pass for not being loyal and being apart of nothing but disappointing seasons his last two years here.

Well, Woj would disagree with you.

The Philadelphia 76ers agreed to a four-year, $109 million deal with the big man Sunday, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.

"Horford's agent tried to do a deal in Boston, but the money was significantly less than the Philly deal," Wojnarowski said on ESPN's The Jump.

[Csfan1984]

I can't believe people want Al after he walked on this team.

Well the players understand its business at the end of the day. They can still be close friends and leave for a team that pays them more.

He didn't even give them time to consider 76ers offer. He didn't want to play with the team anymore it wasn't just money. There were reports of them being able to go higher after Kemba was officially made a sign and trade but Al bolted.

So Mr. "Flat Earth, not getting vaxed" had nothing to do with Horford's decision?  Al left a dysfunctional team and is coming back to a better one.

So a guy who can't manage turmoil when things get tough is the guy to lead?

This seems disingenuous. Philly offered a contract DA seemingly didn’t want to match. On top of that (at least coming from Embiid’s comments), Horford was signed because he was supposed to be a talent fit with Ben Simmons and this was at the height of the Philly hype and they were projected to be a contender at the time. Meanwhile, everyone was jumping ship from the C’s and we were projected to go nowhere (at least until DA scrambled to get Kemba onboard)

So really the decision for Horford was:
Option A: join a contender, play a big role, and get paid more money
Option B: take a step back, go on a semi-rebuilding year while playing for less money

There is nothing disingenuous about it you literally said he jumped ship when things got tough with option A over B. He was in a bigger roll here and the money was very close before they even made Kemba a sign and trade. If anything people here want to give him a pass for not being loyal and being apart of nothing but disappointing seasons his last two years here.

Well, Woj would disagree with you.

The Philadelphia 76ers agreed to a four-year, $109 million deal with the big man Sunday, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.

"Horford's agent tried to do a deal in Boston, but the money was significantly less than the Philly deal," Wojnarowski said on ESPN's The Jump.

Woj said the guaranteed money was significantly less in the full quote.

According to ESPN's Jackie MacMullan, the offer from the Celtics was a four-year one that was "pretty healthy."

“I think the Celtics made him a good offer. I can’t tell you what it was, but I do think that they did make him a four-year offer that was a pretty healthy one,”

[Goldstar88]

I can't believe people want Al after he walked on this team.

Well the players understand its business at the end of the day. They can still be close friends and leave for a team that pays them more.

He didn't even give them time to consider 76ers offer. He didn't want to play with the team anymore it wasn't just money. There were reports of them being able to go higher after Kemba was officially made a sign and trade but Al bolted.

So Mr. "Flat Earth, not getting vaxed" had nothing to do with Horford's decision?  Al left a dysfunctional team and is coming back to a better one.

So a guy who can't manage turmoil when things get tough is the guy to lead?

This seems disingenuous. Philly offered a contract DA seemingly didn’t want to match. On top of that (at least coming from Embiid’s comments), Horford was signed because he was supposed to be a talent fit with Ben Simmons and this was at the height of the Philly hype and they were projected to be a contender at the time. Meanwhile, everyone was jumping ship from the C’s and we were projected to go nowhere (at least until DA scrambled to get Kemba onboard)

So really the decision for Horford was:
Option A: join a contender, play a big role, and get paid more money
Option B: take a step back, go on a semi-rebuilding year while playing for less money

There is nothing disingenuous about it you literally said he jumped ship when things got tough with option A over B. He was in a bigger roll here and the money was very close before they even made Kemba a sign and trade. If anything people here want to give him a pass for not being loyal and being apart of nothing but disappointing seasons his last two years here.

Well, Woj would disagree with you.

The Philadelphia 76ers agreed to a four-year, $109 million deal with the big man Sunday, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.

"Horford's agent tried to do a deal in Boston, but the money was significantly less than the Philly deal," Wojnarowski said on ESPN's The Jump.

Woj said the guaranteed money was significantly less in the full quote.

According to ESPN's Jackie MacMullan, the offer from the Celtics was a four-year one that was "pretty healthy."

“I think the Celtics made him a good offer. I can’t tell you what it was, but I do think that they did make him a four-year offer that was a pretty healthy one,”

“I think the Celtics made him a good offer.”  Will go with Woj on this one. And every other report that he makes as well.

[Csfan1984]

I can't believe people want Al after he walked on this team.

Well the players understand its business at the end of the day. They can still be close friends and leave for a team that pays them more.

He didn't even give them time to consider 76ers offer. He didn't want to play with the team anymore it wasn't just money. There were reports of them being able to go higher after Kemba was officially made a sign and trade but Al bolted.

So Mr. "Flat Earth, not getting vaxed" had nothing to do with Horford's decision?  Al left a dysfunctional team and is coming back to a better one.

So a guy who can't manage turmoil when things get tough is the guy to lead?

This seems disingenuous. Philly offered a contract DA seemingly didn’t want to match. On top of that (at least coming from Embiid’s comments), Horford was signed because he was supposed to be a talent fit with Ben Simmons and this was at the height of the Philly hype and they were projected to be a contender at the time. Meanwhile, everyone was jumping ship from the C’s and we were projected to go nowhere (at least until DA scrambled to get Kemba onboard)

So really the decision for Horford was:
Option A: join a contender, play a big role, and get paid more money
Option B: take a step back, go on a semi-rebuilding year while playing for less money

There is nothing disingenuous about it you literally said he jumped ship when things got tough with option A over B. He was in a bigger roll here and the money was very close before they even made Kemba a sign and trade. If anything people here want to give him a pass for not being loyal and being apart of nothing but disappointing seasons his last two years here.

Well, Woj would disagree with you.

The Philadelphia 76ers agreed to a four-year, $109 million deal with the big man Sunday, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.

"Horford's agent tried to do a deal in Boston, but the money was significantly less than the Philly deal," Wojnarowski said on ESPN's The Jump.

Woj said the guaranteed money was significantly less in the full quote.

According to ESPN's Jackie MacMullan, the offer from the Celtics was a four-year one that was "pretty healthy."

“I think the Celtics made him a good offer. I can’t tell you what it was, but I do think that they did make him a four-year offer that was a pretty healthy one,”

“I think the Celtics made him a good offer.”  Will go with Woj on this one. And every other report that he makes as well.

That's fine but use the whole quote. It wasn't that AL didn't see good money here, it was only about the part that was guaranteed money. If he waited he would have got a higher offer but C's were clearing losing Irving and couldn't offer more till a s&t. Al if he wanted to be here should have waited.

[Goldstar88]

I can't believe people want Al after he walked on this team.

Well the players understand its business at the end of the day. They can still be close friends and leave for a team that pays them more.

He didn't even give them time to consider 76ers offer. He didn't want to play with the team anymore it wasn't just money. There were reports of them being able to go higher after Kemba was officially made a sign and trade but Al bolted.

So Mr. "Flat Earth, not getting vaxed" had nothing to do with Horford's decision?  Al left a dysfunctional team and is coming back to a better one.

So a guy who can't manage turmoil when things get tough is the guy to lead?

This seems disingenuous. Philly offered a contract DA seemingly didn’t want to match. On top of that (at least coming from Embiid’s comments), Horford was signed because he was supposed to be a talent fit with Ben Simmons and this was at the height of the Philly hype and they were projected to be a contender at the time. Meanwhile, everyone was jumping ship from the C’s and we were projected to go nowhere (at least until DA scrambled to get Kemba onboard)

So really the decision for Horford was:
Option A: join a contender, play a big role, and get paid more money
Option B: take a step back, go on a semi-rebuilding year while playing for less money

There is nothing disingenuous about it you literally said he jumped ship when things got tough with option A over B. He was in a bigger roll here and the money was very close before they even made Kemba a sign and trade. If anything people here want to give him a pass for not being loyal and being apart of nothing but disappointing seasons his last two years here.

Well, Woj would disagree with you.

The Philadelphia 76ers agreed to a four-year, $109 million deal with the big man Sunday, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.

"Horford's agent tried to do a deal in Boston, but the money was significantly less than the Philly deal," Wojnarowski said on ESPN's The Jump.

Woj said the guaranteed money was significantly less in the full quote.

According to ESPN's Jackie MacMullan, the offer from the Celtics was a four-year one that was "pretty healthy."

“I think the Celtics made him a good offer. I can’t tell you what it was, but I do think that they did make him a four-year offer that was a pretty healthy one,”

“I think the Celtics made him a good offer.”  Will go with Woj on this one. And every other report that he makes as well.

That's fine but use the whole quote. It wasn't that AL didn't see good money here, it was only about the part that was guaranteed money. If he waited he would have got a higher offer but C's were clearing losing Irving and couldn't offer more till a s&t. Al if he wanted to be here should have waited.

Not seeing anywhere where it says, “The guaranteed was significantly less.” Here’s the link to the quote let me know where you see it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2841676-report-ex-celtics-star-al-horford-agrees-to-4-year-109m-contract-with-76ers.amp.html

[Silas]

Since Udoka wants two captains, I think that one should be your best player, Tatum.  Looking back over the years most of the captains that the Cs had were the team's best player, not always, but most of the time.  Think, Cousy, Russell, Havlicek, Bird, Walker, and Pierce.  My choice for second captain would be Brown, but I would be ok with Al.

[Csfan1984]

I can't believe people want Al after he walked on this team.

Well the players understand its business at the end of the day. They can still be close friends and leave for a team that pays them more.

He didn't even give them time to consider 76ers offer. He didn't want to play with the team anymore it wasn't just money. There were reports of them being able to go higher after Kemba was officially made a sign and trade but Al bolted.

So Mr. "Flat Earth, not getting vaxed" had nothing to do with Horford's decision?  Al left a dysfunctional team and is coming back to a better one.

So a guy who can't manage turmoil when things get tough is the guy to lead?

This seems disingenuous. Philly offered a contract DA seemingly didn’t want to match. On top of that (at least coming from Embiid’s comments), Horford was signed because he was supposed to be a talent fit with Ben Simmons and this was at the height of the Philly hype and they were projected to be a contender at the time. Meanwhile, everyone was jumping ship from the C’s and we were projected to go nowhere (at least until DA scrambled to get Kemba onboard)

So really the decision for Horford was:
Option A: join a contender, play a big role, and get paid more money
Option B: take a step back, go on a semi-rebuilding year while playing for less money

There is nothing disingenuous about it you literally said he jumped ship when things got tough with option A over B. He was in a bigger roll here and the money was very close before they even made Kemba a sign and trade. If anything people here want to give him a pass for not being loyal and being apart of nothing but disappointing seasons his last two years here.

Well, Woj would disagree with you.

The Philadelphia 76ers agreed to a four-year, $109 million deal with the big man Sunday, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.

"Horford's agent tried to do a deal in Boston, but the money was significantly less than the Philly deal," Wojnarowski said on ESPN's The Jump.

Woj said the guaranteed money was significantly less in the full quote.

According to ESPN's Jackie MacMullan, the offer from the Celtics was a four-year one that was "pretty healthy."

“I think the Celtics made him a good offer. I can’t tell you what it was, but I do think that they did make him a four-year offer that was a pretty healthy one,”

“I think the Celtics made him a good offer.”  Will go with Woj on this one. And every other report that he makes as well.

That's fine but use the whole quote. It wasn't that AL didn't see good money here, it was only about the part that was guaranteed money. If he waited he would have got a higher offer but C's were clearing losing Irving and couldn't offer more till a s&t. Al if he wanted to be here should have waited.

Not seeing anywhere where it says, “The guaranteed was significantly less.” Here’s the link to the quote let me know where you see it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2841676-report-ex-celtics-star-al-horford-agrees-to-4-year-109m-contract-with-76ers.amp.html

Just go to the episode of the jump.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Only a good idea if Udoka is not telling us that the 1-2 captains will be via secret ballot in the locker room among the players at the end of pre-season or even training camp. That makes sense. Any other approach could backfire.

[LilRip]

I can't believe people want Al after he walked on this team.

Well the players understand its business at the end of the day. They can still be close friends and leave for a team that pays them more.

He didn't even give them time to consider 76ers offer. He didn't want to play with the team anymore it wasn't just money. There were reports of them being able to go higher after Kemba was officially made a sign and trade but Al bolted.

So Mr. "Flat Earth, not getting vaxed" had nothing to do with Horford's decision?  Al left a dysfunctional team and is coming back to a better one.

So a guy who can't manage turmoil when things get tough is the guy to lead?

This seems disingenuous. Philly offered a contract DA seemingly didn’t want to match. On top of that (at least coming from Embiid’s comments), Horford was signed because he was supposed to be a talent fit with Ben Simmons and this was at the height of the Philly hype and they were projected to be a contender at the time. Meanwhile, everyone was jumping ship from the C’s and we were projected to go nowhere (at least until DA scrambled to get Kemba onboard)

So really the decision for Horford was:
Option A: join a contender, play a big role, and get paid more money
Option B: take a step back, go on a semi-rebuilding year while playing for less money

There is nothing disingenuous about it you literally said he jumped ship when things got tough with option A over B. He was in a bigger roll here and the money was very close before they even made Kemba a sign and trade. If anything people here want to give him a pass for not being loyal and being apart of nothing but disappointing seasons his last two years here.

Firstly, that was Surferdad, a different poster

Secondly, if we go off Embiid’s comments, he was projected to be in a similarly large role in Philly

Thirdly, the money difference

Fourthly, C’s weren’t projected to be contenders, even with Al. Philly was a contender without him and adding him could put them over the top

Fifthly, not everybody is Deandre Jordan. When people agree to a contract, they usually push through with their verbal commitment

So no, it’s not just about “a guy jumping ship because he can’t handle turmoil”. There are so many factors that made signing with Boston easy to pass up. Where was all this loyalty talk when DA didn’t wanna sign Al for big money? And many of us (myself included) thought that Philly overpaid so we didn’t mind seeing him go. Where was our “loyalty” then?

I’d rather work with the guys who we have today. A captain is someone the locker room respects and will follow and who can call people out without it raising eyebrows because they have the “social authority” to. You think Smart’s listening to someone like Nesmith or Pritchard? You think Pritchard can tell Tatum off for going iso? Horford fits the captain criteria to a tee. The biggest downside is that he might not even be here next year because the C’s might not guarantee his contract (or will use him in a trade).