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Re: Wiggins won't get vaccinated may be banned from playing home games
« Reply #120 on: September 28, 2021, 09:35:03 PM »

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Watching Isaac, I have no idea why he didn't get vaccinated.  I mean he talked about all of the benefits of vaccination, the extra benefit he would get with it and having had covid, that the risk of the shot was insanely low, etc.  That all yields to the conclusion that he should get the shot, yet he didn't, which makes absolutely no sense at all.
I found that weird too. Went on and on about the benefits, touched on the minimal risk (think it's something like 4/1,000,000 young men develop myocarditis, or so my nurse told me), yet said he won't get it. It's not like there's a scarcity in the US, and I imagine that natural immunity doesn't last forever! Weird.
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Re: Wiggins won't get vaccinated may be banned from playing home games
« Reply #121 on: September 28, 2021, 09:42:55 PM »

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« Reply #122 on: September 28, 2021, 09:57:45 PM »

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Re: Wiggins won't get vaccinated may be banned from playing home games
« Reply #123 on: September 29, 2021, 08:24:40 AM »

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Nobody is calling for censorship of facts and scientific data. We’re all entitled to our own opinion, but we are not entitled to our own facts.

Yes they are, if you have been paying attention.  Recently a respected podcast I listen to was given a strike and the video pulled off youtube for 'medical misinformation' because his guest (congressman) said that previously infected people likely have stronger immunity that those vaxd.  Early on they took down videos of 'conspiracy theorists' saying virus came from lab, not bats and videos of ER doctors saying ventilators may be causing lung damage.  Lots of other examples as well.  All these were later proven true - but were censored.  Free flow of information is best - not some dopey lying politicians and big tech activists deciding what is allowable to say.  Im sure you would feel differently if Trump was the guy doing the censoring - but since its your tribe controlling the narative, it is acceptable. 

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« Reply #124 on: September 29, 2021, 08:30:22 AM »

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Nobody is calling for censorship of facts and scientific data. We’re all entitled to our own opinion, but we are not entitled to our own facts.

Yes they are, if you have been paying attention.  Recently a respected podcast I listen to was given a strike and the video pulled off youtube for 'medical misinformation' because his guest (congressman) said that previously infected people likely have stronger immunity that those vaxd.  Early on they took down videos of 'conspiracy theorists' saying virus came from lab, not bats and videos of ER doctors saying ventilators may be causing lung damage.  Lots of other examples as well.  All these were later proven true - but were censored.  Free flow of information is best - not some dopey lying politicians and big tech activists deciding what is allowable to say.  Im sure you would feel differently if Trump was the guy doing the censoring - but since its your tribe controlling the narative, it is acceptable.

I don't have a great memory without looking things up but there are plenty of examples over the last year and a half. My guess is that each one would be explained away if I took the time to compile them though.

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« Reply #125 on: September 29, 2021, 08:39:58 AM »

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Nobody is calling for censorship of facts and scientific data. We’re all entitled to our own opinion, but we are not entitled to our own facts.

Yes they are, if you have been paying attention.  Recently a respected podcast I listen to was given a strike and the video pulled off youtube for 'medical misinformation' because his guest (congressman) said that previously infected people likely have stronger immunity that those vaxd.  Early on they took down videos of 'conspiracy theorists' saying virus came from lab, not bats and videos of ER doctors saying ventilators may be causing lung damage.  Lots of other examples as well.  All these were later proven true - but were censored.  Free flow of information is best - not some dopey lying politicians and big tech activists deciding what is allowable to say.  Im sure you would feel differently if Trump was the guy doing the censoring - but since its your tribe controlling the narative, it is acceptable.

So it’s been proven that the virus originated in a lab? Interesting.

I don’t live in America, so the dopey lying politicians must exist across the aisle (as we’ve had a conservative government for the last decade +) and big tech activists must be really working overtime to censor all of these facts across the globe.
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Re: Wiggins won't get vaccinated may be banned from playing home games
« Reply #126 on: September 29, 2021, 09:09:21 AM »

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Nobody is calling for censorship of facts and scientific data. We’re all entitled to our own opinion, but we are not entitled to our own facts.

Yes they are, if you have been paying attention.  Recently a respected podcast I listen to was given a strike and the video pulled off youtube for 'medical misinformation' because his guest (congressman) said that previously infected people likely have stronger immunity that those vaxd.  Early on they took down videos of 'conspiracy theorists' saying virus came from lab, not bats and videos of ER doctors saying ventilators may be causing lung damage.  Lots of other examples as well.  All these were later proven true - but were censored.  Free flow of information is best - not some dopey lying politicians and big tech activists deciding what is allowable to say.  Im sure you would feel differently if Trump was the guy doing the censoring - but since its your tribe controlling the narative, it is acceptable.

So it’s been proven that the virus originated in a lab? Interesting.

I don’t live in America, so the dopey lying politicians must exist across the aisle (as we’ve had a conservative government for the last decade +) and big tech activists must be really working overtime to censor all of these facts across the globe.

Not proven 100%, but more likely than not at this point. Regarding the lab theory, I don't even think the censorship was so much from big tech (although yes YouTube specifically removed videos and demonitized content that explored the possibility early on), as much as it was suppressed within the scientific communities via institutional infrastructure. It's still not promoted, though much more widely acknowledged now. That day is coming though.

Re: Wiggins won't get vaccinated may be banned from playing home games
« Reply #127 on: September 29, 2021, 10:31:13 AM »

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Nobody is calling for censorship of facts and scientific data. We’re all entitled to our own opinion, but we are not entitled to our own facts.

Yes they are, if you have been paying attention.  Recently a respected podcast I listen to was given a strike and the video pulled off youtube for 'medical misinformation' because his guest (congressman) said that previously infected people likely have stronger immunity that those vaxd.  Early on they took down videos of 'conspiracy theorists' saying virus came from lab, not bats and videos of ER doctors saying ventilators may be causing lung damage.  Lots of other examples as well.  All these were later proven true - but were censored.  Free flow of information is best - not some dopey lying politicians and big tech activists deciding what is allowable to say.  Im sure you would feel differently if Trump was the guy doing the censoring - but since its your tribe controlling the narative, it is acceptable.

So it’s been proven that the virus originated in a lab? Interesting.

I don’t live in America, so the dopey lying politicians must exist across the aisle (as we’ve had a conservative government for the last decade +) and big tech activists must be really working overtime to censor all of these facts across the globe.

Not proven 100%, but more likely than not at this point. Regarding the lab theory, I don't even think the censorship was so much from big tech (although yes YouTube specifically removed videos and demonitized content that explored the possibility early on), as much as it was suppressed within the scientific communities via institutional infrastructure. It's still not promoted, though much more widely acknowledged now. That day is coming though.

The bolded would be a great thing to provide sourcing for. Existence of possibility is not the same as likely probability :) .

Also, doing a quick search, I think it's important to keep in mind that a lot of the early lab-leak chatter was intermingled with the idea that this had been engineered as a bioweapon that accidentally or purposely got released.

Or, as The Conversation put it:

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[E]arly on in the pandemic, the media didn’t always distinguish between the far-fetched speculations that SARS-CoV-2 was created by China as a bioweapon (and then released either accidentally or intentionally) and the more plausible hypothesis that it originated in nature but leaked accidentally from the Wuhan Institute of Virology while being studied.

Additionally, the lab-leak claim very quickly became entangled with other – often contradictory – theories: that COVID-19 was caused by 5G radiation, or that Bill Gates was using vaccines to implant microchips in people. In online discussions, theories are often mashed together in this way into mega-plots. It’s understandable therefore that commentators dismissed the idea.

We also need to consider the political context in which this theory was produced and circulated. The general lab-leak theory, along with hints that the virus might have been designed as a bioweapon, were promoted by Trump, US senator Tom Cotton, Fox News’s Tucker Carlson and Steve Bannon. All had previous form in using conspiracy rhetoric to blame America’s woes on enemies without and within.

Trump, for example, had labelled global warming a hoax perpetrated by China to gain a competitive advantage over the US. And at a press briefing in April 2020, he claimed he had seen classified information indicating that the virus had come from the Wuhan institute. But when asked what the evidence was, he said: “I’m not allowed to tell you that.”

The insinuation of a vast conspiracy without evidence is a signature Trump move. He was the president who repeatedly cried wolf. And so, again, it’s understandable that people were initially sceptical about a lab leak.
https://theconversation.com/covid-19-why-lab-leak-theory-is-back-despite-little-new-evidence-162215


However, that is not the question. The question is when the lab leak was proven true. Because, as far as you and I can tell, it hasn't. You don't need to defend SDCeltic, as I'm sure he's more than capable of explaining his position and sharing his sources himself.
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Re: Wiggins won't get vaccinated may be banned from playing home games
« Reply #128 on: September 29, 2021, 10:53:08 AM »

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Unvaccinated players may face a bigger issue if multiple NBA cities ban unvaccinated players in their arenas. Why should they allow unvaccinated players when cities like NY will not?

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« Reply #129 on: September 29, 2021, 10:59:52 AM »

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« Reply #130 on: September 29, 2021, 11:04:00 AM »

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« Reply #131 on: September 29, 2021, 11:26:06 AM »

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Re: Wiggins won't get vaccinated may be banned from playing home games
« Reply #132 on: September 29, 2021, 11:32:56 AM »

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Nobody is calling for censorship of facts and scientific data. We’re all entitled to our own opinion, but we are not entitled to our own facts.

Yes they are, if you have been paying attention.  Recently a respected podcast I listen to was given a strike and the video pulled off youtube for 'medical misinformation' because his guest (congressman) said that previously infected people likely have stronger immunity that those vaxd.  Early on they took down videos of 'conspiracy theorists' saying virus came from lab, not bats and videos of ER doctors saying ventilators may be causing lung damage.  Lots of other examples as well.  All these were later proven true - but were censored.  Free flow of information is best - not some dopey lying politicians and big tech activists deciding what is allowable to say.  Im sure you would feel differently if Trump was the guy doing the censoring - but since its your tribe controlling the narative, it is acceptable.

So it’s been proven that the virus originated in a lab? Interesting.

I don’t live in America, so the dopey lying politicians must exist across the aisle (as we’ve had a conservative government for the last decade +) and big tech activists must be really working overtime to censor all of these facts across the globe.

Not proven 100%, but more likely than not at this point. Regarding the lab theory, I don't even think the censorship was so much from big tech (although yes YouTube specifically removed videos and demonitized content that explored the possibility early on), as much as it was suppressed within the scientific communities via institutional infrastructure. It's still not promoted, though much more widely acknowledged now. That day is coming though.

The bolded would be a great thing to provide sourcing for. Existence of possibility is not the same as likely probability :) .

Also, doing a quick search, I think it's important to keep in mind that a lot of the early lab-leak chatter was intermingled with the idea that this had been engineered as a bioweapon that accidentally or purposely got released.

Or, as The Conversation put it:

Quote
[E]arly on in the pandemic, the media didn’t always distinguish between the far-fetched speculations that SARS-CoV-2 was created by China as a bioweapon (and then released either accidentally or intentionally) and the more plausible hypothesis that it originated in nature but leaked accidentally from the Wuhan Institute of Virology while being studied.

Additionally, the lab-leak claim very quickly became entangled with other – often contradictory – theories: that COVID-19 was caused by 5G radiation, or that Bill Gates was using vaccines to implant microchips in people. In online discussions, theories are often mashed together in this way into mega-plots. It’s understandable therefore that commentators dismissed the idea.

We also need to consider the political context in which this theory was produced and circulated. The general lab-leak theory, along with hints that the virus might have been designed as a bioweapon, were promoted by Trump, US senator Tom Cotton, Fox News’s Tucker Carlson and Steve Bannon. All had previous form in using conspiracy rhetoric to blame America’s woes on enemies without and within.

Trump, for example, had labelled global warming a hoax perpetrated by China to gain a competitive advantage over the US. And at a press briefing in April 2020, he claimed he had seen classified information indicating that the virus had come from the Wuhan institute. But when asked what the evidence was, he said: “I’m not allowed to tell you that.”

The insinuation of a vast conspiracy without evidence is a signature Trump move. He was the president who repeatedly cried wolf. And so, again, it’s understandable that people were initially sceptical about a lab leak.
https://theconversation.com/covid-19-why-lab-leak-theory-is-back-despite-little-new-evidence-162215


However, that is not the question. The question is when the lab leak was proven true. Because, as far as you and I can tell, it hasn't. You don't need to defend SDCeltic, as I'm sure he's more than capable of explaining his position and sharing his sources himself.

How many cities are there in China? How many of those cities have a virology institute at the same level as the one in Wuhan? And how many of those cities, like Wuhan, had an outbreak of COVID-19 among some of the workers at the virology institute in November 2019?

Fact: The last case of smallpox was an accidental lab leak in the UK in the late 1970s. Fortunately, the UK quickly contained the virus.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-45101091

I'm not sure I'm understanding this post. As far as I can tell, there's a fresh investigation pending into whether or not the virus was a lab-leak. That's not the same thing as proving it was a lab leak, which was the assertion.
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« Reply #133 on: September 29, 2021, 11:33:52 AM »

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The origin of Covid has not been proven in any capacity, and most likely never will until the Chinese government is overthrown and their records can be accessed.

Saying it is definitively a lab origin or an animal crossover is disinformation at this point because nothing has been proven. So yeah, I have zero issue with private social media companies removing such posts for disinformation.

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« Reply #134 on: September 29, 2021, 11:35:05 AM »

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If disinformation is eradicated, I could care less about the letter next to the politician occupying the White House. That’s not censorship, that’s common sense.

Who are you going to put in charge of deciding/censoring disinformation?