Wiggins won't get vaccinated may be banned from playing home games

[gift]

Actually, I don't understand that.  Can you explain why that is?  Is everyone going to get Polio and Small Pox too?  Or is only the COVID vaccine not very good?  How does that work exactly?  How are the vaccines or the immune responses different?

I probably did overstate that a bit. What I mean is that there is a high likelihood that this turns into something like the flu virus. COVID will likely mutate to become more infectious but less deadly from what I have read.  And like the flu virus it will always be around and your chances of catching it sometime are very high.

As far as the vaccine not being very good I think the evidence clearly indicates that are not very good (as far as other vaccines go).  It doesn’t prevent you from getting it. It just lowers your likelihood and it looks like you’re going to need constant boosters. Maybe they will come up with better vaccines but these ones leave a lot to be desired.  These vaccines could also be making the problem worse because they are not 100% affective thereby allowing the virus to mutate and keep spreadingSimilar to bacteria becoming resistant two antibiotics.

 Of course nobody knows anything for sure. We can only use the data we have to draw our own conclusions Based on our individual risk tolerance.

So what exactly do you think the difference is between the immunity you got from having it and the immunity from the vaccines? Do you think there is a separate biological process when you fought the actual virus, so that the immunity lasts forever and is 100% effective?

So I’m sure you’ve heard of the spike protein. That’s what the vaccines are using so the body can identify the virus. When naturally infected, your T cells get to identify all 28 proteins that the virus requires to operate. Your body gets more info via infection than from the limited scope the vaccine provides.

[moiso]

Huge surprise....

Kyrie is unvaccinated and could be in danger of missing Nets home games. Man that guy just lives for creating drama.

Wow, i just predicted this would happen today to a guy at the gym!  I joked that he'll claim he uses incense to ward off covid. 

But yeah, he would probably love to be able to miss half of the games and stay in the news constantly for the entire season. 

[hpantazo]

Huge surprise....

Kyrie is unvaccinated and could be in danger of missing Nets home games. Man that guy just lives for creating drama.

Wow, i just predicted this would happen today to a guy at the gym!  I joked that he'll claim he uses incense to ward off covid. 

But yeah, he would probably love to be able to miss half of the games and stay in the news constantly for the entire season.

Yeah that’s a dream come true for Kyrie. Full salary, half the games off, and constant attention

[GreenlyGreeny]

Here for basketball, not politics. Sorry.

[gift]

In the last month....I know of 7 people who have been vaxxed and have gotten Covid (all were fine). A good friend of mine was double vaxxed, got Covid and we're pretty sure he gave me Covid over 2 weeks ago--I took Hydroxychloroquine, Azithromycin and Zinc Sulfate, Barely had a fever for a couple of days and am 100% now.

I'm not anti-vax, I just did my research....Nobody could tell me the long term effects of this Vaccination, because NOBODY knows, it's too new. Make your own decisions.

If you did your research, can you name a single vaccine that is harmless within the first two months of injection and causes long-term effects? If you did your research, you know no such vaccine has ever existed.

Off the top of my head, and by no means am I an expert, here are some viruses that cause recurrences and major long-term effects in some people (good luck waiting to find out if COVID-19 will have long-term effects for you):

Human Papilloma Virus -> Certain cancers, recurrences
Epstein Barr Virus -> Certain cancers, certain autoimmune disorders
Human Immunodeficiency Virus -> AIDS if untreated (so much for “natural immunity”), certain cancers even if treated
Herpes -> Recurrences for life
Chickenpox -> Shingles for some later in life
Hepatitis C -> Liver cancer and other issues
Hepatitis B -> liver cancer and other issues

Certainly hope COVID-19 does not have long-term effects similar to the above viruses that emerged in nature (TBD on whether that virus you had emerged in nature), but not interested in personally finding out someday…

Yes, people should do their own research:

1) There is no such thing as a vaccine that causes long-term effects without short-term effects in the first two months following injectio.

2) Billions of doses of the vaccine for COVID-19 have been given with most everybody having no serious side effects in the first two months.

3) Nature is full of viruses that return with a vengeance later in life. Nobody knows if COVID-19 will one day join that list (and at this point, would it really surprise anybody if this was engineered in a lab and has some big surprises for people after an incubation period similar to HIV, which causes illness in the first two weeks of being infected before utterly wrecking havoc on your immune system years later?)

Get vaccinated ASAP, folks…this thing is no joke, the vaccines are harmless and minimize the likelihood of infection/spread, and if you think you’ve got “natural immunity” (whatever that means) to something that may have been developed in a lab in Wuhan and got out by accident (surprise-surprise: the last case of smallpox ever was a lab leak in England in the late 1970s), well, best of luck…or you can just get a harmless shot that minimizes the likelihood of the spike protein having its way with you…if everybody does it and R-naught falls below zero, this thing becomes a thing of the past in America…

While I would say a long term effect of the COVID vaccine that doesn’t show up immediately is the necessity to get another shot, I’ll also point out that not all immediate adverse effects are known immediately. For instance Haemophilus influenzae type b vaccine was discovered to negatively effect insulin levels when administered to children after the age of 2. This is associated with higher risk of diabetes but might go on unlinked if not observed via study. It’s an example of long term risk that doesn’t necessarily show up immediately.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Here for basketball, not politics. Sorry.

[Roy H.]

Apparently Kyrie is unvaccinated, as well, despite NYC’s mandate:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/kyrie-irving-reportedly-unvaccinated-could-212035968.html

[LilRip]

Apparently Kyrie is unvaccinated, as well, despite NYC’s mandate:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/kyrie-irving-reportedly-unvaccinated-could-212035968.html

Of course he isn’t  why doesn’t this surprise me

[nickagneta]

Regarding side/after effects: doesn't basically all medicine come with side/after effects. I take several psychotropic medicines and the list of possible side/after effects are staggering in their number.

Here is one medication's:

INFREQUENT side effects
If experienced, these tend to have a Severe expression i
Low Levels Of White Blood Cells
Suicidal Thoughts
A Type Of Movement Disorder Called Parkinsonism
Low Blood Pressure
A Feeling Of Restlessness With Inability To Sit Still
A Skin Rash
A Type Of Speech Disorder Called Dysarthria
Trouble Breathing
High Blood Sugar
Abnormal Liver Function Tests
A High Alanine Transaminase Level
A High Aspartate Transaminase Level
If experienced, these tend to have a Less Severe expression i
A High Prolactin Level
High Cholesterol
High Amount Of Triglyceride In The Blood
Agitation
Lazy Eye
A Change In Vision
A Stuffy And Runny Nose
Stuffy Nose
Inflammation Of The Lining Of The Stomach And Intestines
An Abnormal Increase In Muscle Tone
Flu-Like Symptoms
Excessive Sweating
Pain
Muscle Tremors
Decreased Appetite
Increased Hunger
Heart Throbbing Or Pounding
Cough
Vomiting
Restless Legs Syndrome, An Extreme Discomfort In The Calf Muscles When Sitting Or Lying Down
Intense Abdominal Pain
Abnormal Dreams
Fast Heartbeat
RARE side effects
If experienced, these tend to have a Severe expression i
A Condition With Low Thyroid Hormone Levels
A Complication Of Diabetes With High Blood Ketone Levels Called Diabetic Ketoacidosis
Diabetes
A Disorder With Excess Antidiuretic Hormone Called Syndrome Of Inappropriate Antidiuretic Hormone
Low Amount Of Sodium In The Blood
Decreased Blood Platelets
Very Low Levels Of Granulocytes, A Type Of White Blood Cell
Low Levels Of A Type Of White Blood Cell Called Neutrophils
Increased Eosinophils In The Blood
Depression
Tardive Dyskinesia, A Disorder Characterized By Involuntary Movements Of The Face, Mouth And Tongue
Extrapyramidal Disease, A Type Of Movement Disorder
Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome, A Reaction Characterized By Fever, Muscle Rigidity And Confusion
Clouding Of The Lens Of The Eye Called Cataracts
Cardiomyopathy, A Disease Of The Heart Muscle
Slow Heartbeat
Prolonged QT Interval On EKG
Inflammation Of The Middle Tissue Heart Muscle
A Stroke
Cerebral Ischemia, A Lack Of Blood Supply To The Brain
Thrombotic Thrombocytopenic Purpura, A Type Of Blood Disorder
Blocked Bowels With Decreased Peristaltic Movement
Blockage Of The Stomach Or Intestine
Liver Tissue Death
Liver Failure
Inflammation Of The Liver Called Hepatitis
Priapism, A Prolonged Erection Of The Penis
Breastmilk Production Not Associated With Childbirth Or Nursing
A Problem With Menstrual Periods
A Skin Disorder With Blistering And Peeling Skin Called Toxic Epidermal Necrolysis
A Skin Disorder With Blistering And Peeling Skin Called Stevens-Johnson Syndrome
A Condition With Muscle Tissue Breakdown Called Rhabdomyolysis
Muscle Pain
Seizures
Sleep Apnea
Fluid Retention In The Legs, Feet, Arms Or Hands
An Inability To Completely Empty The Bladder
Low Body Temperature
A Significant Type Of Allergic Reaction Called Anaphylaxis
Accidental Falls
Problems With Food Passing Through The Esophagus
Pancreatitis
A Type Of Skin Disorder Called Acute Generalized Exanthematous Pustulosis
A Type Of Significant Allergic Skin Reaction Called DRESS Syndrome
If experienced, these tend to have a Less Severe expression i
Nightmares
Widening Of Blood Vessels
Memory Loss
Fainting
Fever
Difficulty Swallowing
Bedwetting
Abnormal Muscle Movements

My bet is there are millions that are anti-vax that are taking meds with similar side effect warnings. What's the difference? I don't see any. It's basically a risk/reward situation. You take meds/vaccines for the betterment of your health knowing there is a risk but the meds are FDA approved because the risk is so small, the reward far outweighs it.

Also, regarding the negativity about needing boosters, the flu shots every year are basically boosters, most manipulated each year based on the changes expected in the virus. Where is the outrage about that?

[gift]

In the last month....I know of 7 people who have been vaxxed and have gotten Covid (all were fine). A good friend of mine was double vaxxed, got Covid and we're pretty sure he gave me Covid over 2 weeks ago--I took Hydroxychloroquine, Azithromycin and Zinc Sulfate, Barely had a fever for a couple of days and am 100% now.

I'm not anti-vax, I just did my research....Nobody could tell me the long term effects of this Vaccination, because NOBODY knows, it's too new. Make your own decisions.

If you did your research, can you name a single vaccine that is harmless within the first two months of injection and causes long-term effects? If you did your research, you know no such vaccine has ever existed.

Off the top of my head, and by no means am I an expert, here are some viruses that cause recurrences and major long-term effects in some people (good luck waiting to find out if COVID-19 will have long-term effects for you):

Human Papilloma Virus -> Certain cancers, recurrences
Epstein Barr Virus -> Certain cancers, certain autoimmune disorders
Human Immunodeficiency Virus -> AIDS if untreated (so much for “natural immunity”), certain cancers even if treated
Herpes -> Recurrences for life
Chickenpox -> Shingles for some later in life
Hepatitis C -> Liver cancer and other issues
Hepatitis B -> liver cancer and other issues

Certainly hope COVID-19 does not have long-term effects similar to the above viruses that emerged in nature (TBD on whether that virus you had emerged in nature), but not interested in personally finding out someday…

Yes, people should do their own research:

1) There is no such thing as a vaccine that causes long-term effects without short-term effects in the first two months following injectio.

2) Billions of doses of the vaccine for COVID-19 have been given with most everybody having no serious side effects in the first two months.

3) Nature is full of viruses that return with a vengeance later in life. Nobody knows if COVID-19 will one day join that list (and at this point, would it really surprise anybody if this was engineered in a lab and has some big surprises for people after an incubation period similar to HIV, which causes illness in the first two weeks of being infected before utterly wrecking havoc on your immune system years later?)

Get vaccinated ASAP, folks…this thing is no joke, the vaccines are harmless and minimize the likelihood of infection/spread, and if you think you’ve got “natural immunity” (whatever that means) to something that may have been developed in a lab in Wuhan and got out by accident (surprise-surprise: the last case of smallpox ever was a lab leak in England in the late 1970s), well, best of luck…or you can just get a harmless shot that minimizes the likelihood of the spike protein having its way with you…if everybody does it and R-naught falls below zero, this thing becomes a thing of the past in America…

While I would say a long term effect of the COVID vaccine that doesn’t show up immediately is the necessity to get another shot, I’ll also point out that not all immediate adverse effects are known immediately. For instance Haemophilus influenzae type b vaccine was discovered to negatively effect insulin levels when administered to children after the age of 2. This is associated with higher risk of diabetes but might go on unlinked if not observed via study. It’s an example of long term risk that doesn’t necessarily show up immediately.

Source? That is certainly not nearly as frightening as the long-term effects of the natural viruses I listed, and there’s no scrounging on obscure websites to read all about those long-term effects (anybody over the age of 35 today knows exactly what HIV does without treatment)

I think you misunderstood, I’m not making a comparison. I’m giving an example of how certain markers might be present in the short term that can be linked with long term effects. So saying that long term effects are present in the short term may be true, but it’s also true that those short term effects are not necessarily noticed if they aren’t immediately equated with disease but only associated with higher risk of disease in the future, for example.

[tstorey_97]

Thanks for all of your posts, guys.

I grew up in the 60's and we didn't politicize everything. This is life and death, we all know medical workers and they don't ask if you're pro or anti before they treat you...right?

In duality the tendency is for there to be two groups on important issues like this, but hating the people in the "other group"?

We are readers thus I'll just refer what might add something to today...

42M cases "reported" in the US. I've read a couple of analyses that assume at least another 40M have had covid, but it wasn't "reported" as it was too mild, they weren't tested whatever.

Thus 80M have some sort of natural immunity and 183M have the vax. My grandkids got it....only because my son is union building a hospital and was getting tested each week. This was before these vaccines were available.

My point is this disease, unlike others, doesn't hit young kids to hard.

To end on an upnote...there are a lot of immune people walking around and it doesn't do much to young kids.

Barring some all new ultra dynoshark variant? The virus might be in decline as that is what a virus does.

Your immune system is a miracle and the TV news won't tell you because death and misery sells ads.

[SDceltGuy]

My bet is there are millions that are anti-vax that are taking meds with similar side effect warnings. What's the difference? I don't see any. It's basically a risk/reward situation. You take meds/vaccines for the betterment of your health knowing there is a risk but the meds are FDA approved because the risk is so small, the reward far outweighs it.

Also, regarding the negativity about needing boosters, the flu shots every year are basically boosters, most manipulated each year based on the changes expected in the virus. Where is the outrage about that?

Exactly it is risk/reward for the individuals health - but govt is trying to mandate EVERYONE get the vax - regardless of their situation.  Given current medical data - Nobody in my family would benefit from getting it - yet there is no current exemptions proposed for people in our situation.  Second - nobody actually can say with absolute certainty that there are no long term risks and Pharm Cos have been specifically shielded from liabilities over these vaxs.  So there is no benefit to me, with some risks of vax caused illness and some long-term uncertainty.  But you guys want to force me to submit to getting it or be excluded from society.   Who are the unreasonable ones? 

As far as flu vax.  There is no outrage because there is no govt mandate and (most) people are free to get it or not - so not really comparable.

[heyvik]

Thanks for all of your posts, guys.

I grew up in the 60's and we didn't politicize everything. This is life and death, we all know medical workers and they don't ask if you're pro or anti before they treat you...right?

In duality the tendency is for there to be two groups on important issues like this, but hating the people in the "other group"?

We are readers thus I'll just refer what might add something to today...

42M cases "reported" in the US. I've read a couple of analyses that assume at least another 40M have had covid, but it wasn't "reported" as it was too mild, they weren't tested whatever.

Thus 80M have some sort of natural immunity and 183M have the vax. My grandkids got it....only because my son is union building a hospital and was getting tested each week. This was before these vaccines were available.

My point is this disease, unlike others, doesn't hit young kids to hard.

To end on an upnote...there are a lot of immune people walking around and it doesn't do much to young kids.

Barring some all new ultra dynoshark variant? The virus might be in decline as that is what a virus does.

Your immune system is a miracle and the TV news won't tell you because death and misery sells ads.

Is this how we got to where we are now? Isn't this how we got the Delta variant? 'Might be in decline' is exactly the wrong type of thinking. God made our immune systems wonderful. As one of the many TRUE Democratic American Patriots, I got the vaccine because I want to protect me and others around me. When my doctor said that it was safe to take, I took it.

There are enough stories about anti-vaxxers who caught it and died - including young people. In your spare time search 'Sorry antivaxxer'

Even Family Guy on FOX is trying to get us all VAXXED - https://youtu.be/PM5cfmcP7Kghttps://youtu.be/PM5cfmcP7Kg

[SDceltGuy]

There are enough stories about anti-vaxxers who caught it and died - including young people.

^^^Medical Misinformation Scaremonger Warning^^^

(Thankfully) Young people are NOT dying.  It is a statistically insignificant number. 

[Moranis]

There are enough stories about anti-vaxxers who caught it and died - including young people.

^^^Medical Misinformation Scaremonger Warning^^^

(Thankfully) Young people are NOT dying.  It is a statistically insignificant number.

Sure 544 is a small number in comparison to other age ranges, but that is still 544 children that have died directly from Covid.  That is 544 too many in my mind, but go ahead and call those 544 kids statistically insignificant if it makes you feel better.