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Too much D not enough O?
« on: August 25, 2021, 10:01:48 PM »

Offline KG Living Legend

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 This is another Celtics fans argument not mine but worth a debate.  Are Smart and Richardson the same type of player?

 Both great Defenders and suspect shooters. Would the money be better spent on Fournier? Would Fournier look really good with a full training camp.

 What's wrong with Tatum scoring 27ppg Brown 25 ppg and Evan around 18 ppg. At some point we are going to have to outscore Brooklyn,  Bucks, Lakers


 Fairly interested perspective.  Although I didn't want to pay Evan that much money.
 

Re: Too much D not enough O?
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2021, 10:16:05 PM »

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I feel bigger argument is why didn't they keep Fournier over getting Schroder + Richardson? Did they not trust PP and Langford?

Smart, PP, Dunn
Fournier, Langford
Brown, Nesmith
Tatum, Parker, GW
TL, Horford, Bruno

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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2021, 10:16:10 PM »

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Smart and Richardson are very different offensive players. Smart is a much better passer, Richardson is a much better penetrator, and is more consistent efficiency-wise. I don't think they're redundant.
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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2021, 10:25:41 PM »

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We added 4 double digit scorers:


Horford 14ppg
Kanter 11ppg
Schroder 15 ppg
Richardson 12 ppg

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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2021, 10:38:09 PM »

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We added 4 double digit scorers:


Horford 14ppg
Kanter 11ppg
Schroder 15 ppg
Richardson 12 ppg



 That's completely fair and my point.  Horford is rock solid and will help winning every night.

 Schroeder and Richardson are 19ppg and 16ppg scorers under ideal conditions.  So that looks good in itself.

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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2021, 11:26:51 PM »

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Too much D not enough O spells disaster for the team.

We need more firepower!


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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2021, 12:38:09 AM »

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A healthy TL is good for 10-15 a night.  Horford and Kanter are both better scorers than Thompson and Theis.  We should get more scoring, and more efficient scoring, compared to our bigs last year.

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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2021, 01:15:54 AM »

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A healthy TL is good for 10-15 a night.  Horford and Kanter are both better scorers than Thompson and Theis.  We should get more scoring, and more efficient scoring, compared to our bigs last year.
Having big men who aren't total afterthoughts on offence will be nice
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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2021, 01:33:35 AM »

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No such thing as too much D. Eventually someone will start to bring roughness back to the game and will prosper as a result. Besides, Smart is our only below-average shooter in terms of our top 7-8.

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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2021, 01:51:24 AM »

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Cs are banking on a lot of things going their way with these guys. Banking on TL staying healthy. Banking on Horford still being productive at his age. Banking on Richardson finding his shot again. Banking on Smart accepting his role. There are a lot of ifs there and I have a hard time believing all those work out.

I do think offense will be an issue next year when Brown and Tatum aren’t on the floor (or should one of those guys get hurt and miss time). I think Schroder is a good get but I don’t have much confidence everything else works out.

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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2021, 08:16:40 AM »

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I feel bigger argument is why didn't they keep Fournier over getting Schroder + Richardson? Did they not trust PP and Langford?

Smart, PP, Dunn
Fournier, Langford
Brown, Nesmith
Tatum, Parker, GW
TL, Horford, Bruno
If you were GM or coach, would you trust them?  Actually don't bother answering that b/c Stevens the actual coach (now GM) has answered it already.

The biggest problem with last year's team is there simply wasn't enough proven talent.  You can't have guys like Langford, G-Will, Tacko, Waters, Edwards, etc getting significant minutes.  They are G-leaguers, at best.  Pritchard looked good but he cannot guard bigger players.  Nesmith is unproven and has serious deficiencies in the defensive side as well.

I hope we can stop talking about Fournier.  He is gone, so it's a useless topic.

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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2021, 11:27:22 AM »

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Short of getting a third star I think they're in a really good position, actually. They've got two star scoring wings and about four or five other guys who individually are double-digit scorers in other situations, plus Kanter (however you want to count him). Improving the defense was a much bigger need this summer.

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« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2021, 12:35:39 PM »

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There is NO question this team lacks offense.  Some potential lineups are simply too horrible to even think about. 

On the other end, you can't have too much D.

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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2021, 02:10:53 PM »

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Richardson over the last 4 seasons has averaged about 14 ppg on 43/35/86 splits. That's trending down but is that because he's stopped improving as a player or because he was in bad spots for his game? If he's actually not getting better then he's not going to contribute but if Boston proves to be a better place for him and he can average 14-15 ppg on improved efficiency, I think that's what we want from that position.

Swapping out Kemba - 1 player averaging 19ppg - for Richardson and Schroder - 2 players who can averaged  14-17 ppg I think is an upgrade for the offense. Timelord and Horford are upgrades over Thompson and Theis on offense as well.

I think this team will be better offensively than last year and the team last year was still #10 in the league fwiw
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« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2021, 02:34:53 PM »

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I feel bigger argument is why didn't they keep Fournier over getting Schroder + Richardson? Did they not trust PP and Langford?

Smart, PP, Dunn
Fournier, Langford
Brown, Nesmith
Tatum, Parker, GW
TL, Horford, Bruno
If you were GM or coach, would you trust them?  Actually don't bother answering that b/c Stevens the actual coach (now GM) has answered it already.

The biggest problem with last year's team is there simply wasn't enough proven talent.  You can't have guys like Langford, G-Will, Tacko, Waters, Edwards, etc getting significant minutes.  They are G-leaguers, at best.  Pritchard looked good but he cannot guard bigger players.  Nesmith is unproven and has serious deficiencies in the defensive side as well.

I hope we can stop talking about Fournier.  He is gone, so it's a useless topic.
Just because a guy is gone doesn't mean he won't be back.