Could this be the season, Brown surpasses Tatum?

[gouki88]

There was a legit debate for nearly the first half of last season as to whether Brown was better. Tatum turned it up a notch and Brown regressed, although I think his sore knee really hampered him. Brown is clearly the better athlete.

I think that was true for the first month of the season where Tatum started relatively slowly. Tatum was better in January, both struggled (relatively) in February, but from March onward it was Tatum by a noteworthy margin as Brown got stuck with niggling injuries.

[footey]

There was a legit debate for nearly the first half of last season as to whether Brown was better. Tatum turned it up a notch and Brown regressed, although I think his sore knee really hampered him. Brown is clearly the better athlete.

I think that was true for the first month of the season where Tatum started relatively slowly. Tatum was better in January, both struggled (relatively) in February, but from March onward it was Tatum by a noteworthy margin as Brown got stuck with niggling injuries.

You may be right.  Last season time line a bit of a blur to me.

[Neurotic Guy]

There was a legit debate for nearly the first half of last season as to whether Brown was better. Tatum turned it up a notch and Brown regressed, although I think his sore knee really hampered him. Brown is clearly the better athlete.

I think that was true for the first month of the season where Tatum started relatively slowly. Tatum was better in January, both struggled (relatively) in February, but from March onward it was Tatum by a noteworthy margin as Brown got stuck with niggling injuries.

You may be right.  Last season time line a bit of a blur to me.

Also what was the timing on Tatum's Covid?  It seemed to have a long effect on him.

[gouki88]

There was a legit debate for nearly the first half of last season as to whether Brown was better. Tatum turned it up a notch and Brown regressed, although I think his sore knee really hampered him. Brown is clearly the better athlete.

I think that was true for the first month of the season where Tatum started relatively slowly. Tatum was better in January, both struggled (relatively) in February, but from March onward it was Tatum by a noteworthy margin as Brown got stuck with niggling injuries.

You may be right.  Last season time line a bit of a blur to me.

Also what was the timing on Tatum's Covid?  It seemed to have a long effect on him.

Pretty sure he was sick mid-late January, hence his down February

[bopna]

This has been a rehash who is jordan and who is Pippen scenario.

The thing is both are Pippen and that is not a bad thing tbh...I mean in the 90s a double Pippen with very good supporting cast could easily win a title.

We just donot have a Jordan level talent at this point and maybe just maybe one or the other will become one but for now both players are at the most 2nd tier stars in this league and will take a while possibly when they enter their prime to reach Curry, Durant, Giannis level.

[gouki88]

This has been a rehash who is jordan and who is Pippen scenario.

The thing is both are Pippen and that is not a bad thing tbh...I mean in the 90s a double Pippen with very good supporting cast could easily win a title.

We just donot have a Jordan level talent at this point and maybe just maybe one or the other will become one but for now both players are at the most 2nd tier stars in this league and will take a while possibly when they enter their prime to reach Curry, Durant, Giannis level.

How is Tatum a 2nd tier star? His stats at 22/23 are very comparable to Durant and Kobe, and are better than someone like Kawhi - all of whom are guys who are top tier stars.

[ETNCeltics]

This has been a rehash who is jordan and who is Pippen scenario.

The thing is both are Pippen and that is not a bad thing tbh...I mean in the 90s a double Pippen with very good supporting cast could easily win a title.

We just donot have a Jordan level talent at this point and maybe just maybe one or the other will become one but for now both players are at the most 2nd tier stars in this league and will take a while possibly when they enter their prime to reach Curry, Durant, Giannis level.

No one in the NBA currently has a "Jordan level talent".

Tatum is well on his way to being a top tier player, if he isn't already. Very few players in NBA history have accomplished what Tatum has by age 23.

[Moranis]

There was a legit debate for nearly the first half of last season as to whether Brown was better. Tatum turned it up a notch and Brown regressed, although I think his sore knee really hampered him. Brown is clearly the better athlete.

I think that was true for the first month of the season where Tatum started relatively slowly. Tatum was better in January, both struggled (relatively) in February, but from March onward it was Tatum by a noteworthy margin as Brown got stuck with niggling injuries.

I mean we had that thread, but I also think a lot of people were basing it on who was having the better season, not who was actually better. 

[Moranis]

There was a legit debate for nearly the first half of last season as to whether Brown was better. Tatum turned it up a notch and Brown regressed, although I think his sore knee really hampered him. Brown is clearly the better athlete.

I think that was true for the first month of the season where Tatum started relatively slowly. Tatum was better in January, both struggled (relatively) in February, but from March onward it was Tatum by a noteworthy margin as Brown got stuck with niggling injuries.

You may be right.  Last season time line a bit of a blur to me.

Also what was the timing on Tatum's Covid?  It seemed to have a long effect on him.

Pretty sure he was sick mid-late January, hence his down February

Tatum missed games 11-15 which were January 15 to 24th.  They were 7-3 in the first 10 games, 2-3 without him, and were just 6-11 right after that.  That basically took us through February when Tatum finally started to get his legs under himself again.  He missed 3 more games after that and the team was 0-3 in those games, so holding firm with year's past, Boston was an awful 2-6 without Tatum on the floor. 

As I've been stating for years, Boston needs Tatum.  He is the guy that drives the wins and the team is just awful without him on the floor.  He is the only player that truly matters to the W/L column and he has been that since he basically entered the league.  He is just special.  He may not reach top 3 all time great level, but he is already arguably a top 10 player in the league (I think he is more like 12th or 13th, but you could reasonably argue him a bit higher). 

[blink]

This has been a rehash who is jordan and who is Pippen scenario.

The thing is both are Pippen and that is not a bad thing tbh...I mean in the 90s a double Pippen with very good supporting cast could easily win a title.

We just donot have a Jordan level talent at this point and maybe just maybe one or the other will become one but for now both players are at the most 2nd tier stars in this league and will take a while possibly when they enter their prime to reach Curry, Durant, Giannis level.

How is Tatum a 2nd tier star? His stats at 22/23 are very comparable to Durant and Kobe, and are better than someone like Kawhi - all of whom are guys who are top tier stars.

Scottie Pippen is a hall of fame player that was All-NBA 7 TIMES, all def 1st team 8 times, and an all star 7 times.  If both Tatum and Brown had similar careers we would be elated.  I mean that would be incredible.  We would have a legit chance at a title.

As far as I am concerned, Brown and Tatum have a long way to go to get to be Pippen-esque.  They need big leaps in playmaking and their dedication to the def side of the ball.  None of us knows how they will develop.  Both are only limited by how hard they want to work to get better. 

[Tr1boy]

This has been a rehash who is jordan and who is Pippen scenario.

The thing is both are Pippen and that is not a bad thing tbh...I mean in the 90s a double Pippen with very good supporting cast could easily win a title.

We just donot have a Jordan level talent at this point and maybe just maybe one or the other will become one but for now both players are at the most 2nd tier stars in this league and will take a while possibly when they enter their prime to reach Curry, Durant, Giannis level.

How is Tatum a 2nd tier star? His stats at 22/23 are very comparable to Durant and Kobe, and are better than someone like Kawhi - all of whom are guys who are top tier stars.

Scottie Pippen is a hall of fame player that was All-NBA 7 TIMES, all def 1st team 8 times, and an all star 7 times.  If both Tatum and Brown had similar careers we would be elated.  I mean that would be incredible.  We would have a legit chance at a title.

As far as I am concerned, Brown and Tatum have a long way to go to get to be Pippen-esque.  They need big leaps in playmaking and their dedication to the def side of the ball.  None of us knows how they will develop.  Both are only limited by how hard they want to work to get better.

Absolutely

Neither are close to what Pippen accomplished... not yet anyways

[Kiorrik]

I'd love to see Brown surpass Tatum.

Not because of any reason other than - that'd make us insanely good.

Do I think it will happen? Nah. There's a chance for sure, but I think Tatum's height and natural feel for the game is slightly higher. Meanwhile, Brown seems to take a different approach, in becoming smarter and smarter with his move-set.

It's such a cool duo man. Love seeing their games evolve.

Let's see who of the two ends up with the higher number of assists.

That's what I think is going to make the difference this season; assists.

[nickagneta]

Not sure why posters always want to try to make it a "who is better" competition with these two. Can't we have both a Bird and McHale? Two all-time greats that are different, with one better than the other, but both working in tandem to make the other even better.

Who cares who is better or will be better?

I love me some Jaylen, everyone here knows that, but I also love Jayson. Tatum is better, now and most likely in the future, though if Jaylen took some huge leap and became Kawhi like, that's not a bad thing.

What I want to see is them honing their skills into a two man machine that can make each other better and make a whole that is better than even their amazing parts.

[Ogaju]

Not sure why posters always want to try to make it a "who is better" competition with these two. Can't we have both a Bird and McHale? Two all-time greats that are different, with one better than the other, but both working in tandem to make the other even better.

Who cares who is better or will be better?

I love me some Jaylen, everyone here knows that, but I also love Jayson. Tatum is better, now and most likely in the future, though if Jaylen took some huge leap and became Kawhi like, that's not a bad thing.

What I want to see is them honing their skills into a two man machine that can make each other better and make a whole that is better than even their amazing parts.

Difference is Bird and McHale played different positions.

JB and JT are more similar, hence the comparisons will continue until one leaves the other in the dust.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Not sure why posters always want to try to make it a "who is better" competition with these two. Can't we have both a Bird and McHale? Two all-time greats that are different, with one better than the other, but both working in tandem to make the other even better.

Who cares who is better or will be better?

I love me some Jaylen, everyone here knows that, but I also love Jayson. Tatum is better, now and most likely in the future, though if Jaylen took some huge leap and became Kawhi like, that's not a bad thing.

What I want to see is them honing their skills into a two man machine that can make each other better and make a whole that is better than even their amazing parts.

Difference is Bird and McHale played different positions.

JB and JT are more similar, hence the comparisons will continue until one leaves the other in the dust.

Are you quite sure of that assessment?