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Re: Rosier signs 4 year $97 m extension
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2021, 11:01:15 AM »

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I give people more credit than that.  I think people thought he had to go because he and Morris effectively froze out players like Hayward and were playing for their next contract rather than to win games in their last year in Boston. Rozier then shot his way out of town with his interview at the end of the season.

Yea, Hayward was so happy to be rid of Terry he turned around and signed a 4-year contract to go play with him again the following summer.

I also think most fans looked at Rozier as what he was not what he became in Charlotte.

I mean, I agree that the people complaining the loudest didn't know what they were looking at. Letting Terry walk probably cost the team a Finals appearance.

Re: Rosier signs 4 year $97 m extension
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2021, 11:03:21 AM »

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Shroder must be happy about this also

they are pretty similar imo

Schroder a tad better on offense and Rozier a tad better on defense
Disagree, I bet he's p---ed that he's now lost a year of $20M.

I think he was just unlucky this past offseason

funny market due to covid etc

next offseason could see him get at least 15m per

if anything, he should fire his agent

Re: Rosier signs 4 year $97 m extension
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2021, 11:06:22 AM »

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I'd rather pay Rozier that then Smart or Fournier what they got because Rozier is just a better player than both of those guys. 

That said, none of them make a whole lot of sense for Boston.

Rozier's contract is incredibly questionable, they're rewarding him for 1 good (outlier) season. That's a huge risk... but it's Charlotte, no one wants to play there, so it's understandable.

Keep in mind they have LaMelo Ball there though who can change things, and does make spending on Rozier this way not all that smart.

We'll see.

Re: Rosier signs 4 year $97 m extension
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2021, 11:18:00 AM »

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I'd rather pay Rozier that then Smart or Fournier what they got because Rozier is just a better player than both of those guys. 

That said, none of them make a whole lot of sense for Boston.

Rozier's contract is incredibly questionable, they're rewarding him for 1 good (outlier) season. That's a huge risk... but it's Charlotte, no one wants to play there, so it's understandable.

Keep in mind they have LaMelo Ball there though who can change things, and does make spending on Rozier this way not all that smart.

We'll see.
He was arguably better his first year in Charlotte than he was last year so it isn't a one year outlier.  Rozier was also a much better player in Boston when he started.  He was never good as a back-up, which is why he needed to leave, but Rozier as a starter has always performed well.  Some guys just need the consistency (in minutes and role) that starting provides. 
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Re: Rosier signs 4 year $97 m extension
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2021, 11:24:02 AM »

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I'd rather pay Rozier that then Smart or Fournier what they got because Rozier is just a better player than both of those guys. 

That said, none of them make a whole lot of sense for Boston.

Rozier's contract is incredibly questionable, they're rewarding him for 1 good (outlier) season. That's a huge risk... but it's Charlotte, no one wants to play there, so it's understandable.

Keep in mind they have LaMelo Ball there though who can change things, and does make spending on Rozier this way not all that smart.

We'll see.
He was arguably better his first year in Charlotte than he was last year so it isn't a one year outlier.  Rozier was also a much better player in Boston when he started.  He was never good as a back-up, which is why he needed to leave, but Rozier as a starter has always performed well.  Some guys just need the consistency (in minutes and role) that starting provides.

Not with the level of efficiency he showed last year, which is why he's being rewarded this way. Not even close.

Re: Rosier signs 4 year $97 m extension
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2021, 11:47:14 AM »

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Smart       4 years $77M
Schroder   4 years $84M (offered)
Rozier       4 years $97M

Wow.  I am happy with Smart.  Rozier scores more but takes more shots.  Schroder is probably the best penetrator of the group.  That ability to "take it to the hoop" creates things that don't always show up in the box score.  Smart is the most versatile of the group.  Versatility tends not to get rewarded as much as points.

I don't see Charlotte going anywhere building a team around Rozier and Hayward as their #1 and #2 stars.  They would be great as #2 and #3 behind a true #1.  Maybe they think that is Ball.

Re: Rosier signs 4 year $97 m extension
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2021, 01:03:34 PM »

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I'd rather pay Rozier that then Smart or Fournier what they got because Rozier is just a better player than both of those guys. 

That said, none of them make a whole lot of sense for Boston.

Rozier's contract is incredibly questionable, they're rewarding him for 1 good (outlier) season. That's a huge risk... but it's Charlotte, no one wants to play there, so it's understandable.

Keep in mind they have LaMelo Ball there though who can change things, and does make spending on Rozier this way not all that smart.

We'll see.
He was arguably better his first year in Charlotte than he was last year so it isn't a one year outlier.  Rozier was also a much better player in Boston when he started.  He was never good as a back-up, which is why he needed to leave, but Rozier as a starter has always performed well.  Some guys just need the consistency (in minutes and role) that starting provides.

Not with the level of efficiency he showed last year, which is why he's being rewarded this way. Not even close.
He was much better from 2 point range this year, no doubt, but his 1st year in Charlotte he was better from 3 and the line.  His AST% and TRB% were better in year 1 as well.  This idea that Rozier had a 1 year fluke just isn't borne in reality.  He has been very good both of his years in Charlotte. 
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Re: Rosier signs 4 year $97 m extension
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2021, 01:20:36 PM »

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Bad contract. Rozier is what, the 20th best PG in the league? $25mil a year for the 20th best PG is too much. He should be earning closer to $15mil.

Charlotte is one of the best possible homes for Rozier because of the presences of LaMelo and Hayward. Two guys who are high level ball-handlers and playmakers who help hide Rozier's limitations at PG as playmaker & floor general. Who allow Rozier to do what he is does best which is score the basketball. Perfect situation and great contract.

Christmas came early for Rozier.

Not so much for Charlotte because overpaying Rozier will make it difficult to get the talent they need around LaMelo and Hayward to compete for a title. They look stuck as a late seed playoff spot.

Re: Rosier signs 4 year $97 m extension
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2021, 01:24:49 PM »

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On another note, the Fournier signing continues to look better and better. I'd much rather have paid Fournier $78mil than Rozier $97mil.

Re: Rosier signs 4 year $97 m extension
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2021, 01:29:16 PM »

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Good for Rozier. Dude got paid.

Re: Rosier signs 4 year $97 m extension
« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2021, 01:40:39 PM »

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Smart       4 years $77M
Schroder   4 years $84M (offered)
Rozier       4 years $97M

Wow.  I am happy with Smart.  Rozier scores more but takes more shots.  Schroder is probably the best penetrator of the group.  That ability to "take it to the hoop" creates things that don't always show up in the box score.  Smart is the most versatile of the group.  Versatility tends not to get rewarded as much as points.

I don't see Charlotte going anywhere building a team around Rozier and Hayward as their #1 and #2 stars.  They would be great as #2 and #3 behind a true #1.  Maybe they think that is Ball.

Committing that much money to Rozier and Hayward is basically saying your goal is to try and sneak into the playoffs and put up a good fight in the first round before you bow out.

Re: Rosier signs 4 year $97 m extension
« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2021, 01:40:57 PM »

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I give people more credit than that.  I think people thought he had to go because he and Morris effectively froze out players like Hayward and were playing for their next contract rather than to win games in their last year in Boston. Rozier then shot his way out of town with his interview at the end of the season.

Yea, Hayward was so happy to be rid of Terry he turned around and signed a 4-year contract to go play with him again the following summer.

I also think most fans looked at Rozier as what he was not what he became in Charlotte.

I mean, I agree that the people complaining the loudest didn't know what they were looking at. Letting Terry walk probably cost the team a Finals appearance.
Hayward got paid an obscene amount of money to go to CHA. Rozier never entered into his thought process, only that the amount of money he was signing for was more than he could get anywhere else considering his injury history.

Re: Rosier signs 4 year $97 m extension
« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2021, 02:14:53 PM »

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Smart       4 years $77M
Schroder   4 years $84M (offered)
Rozier       4 years $97M

Wow.  I am happy with Smart.  Rozier scores more but takes more shots.  Schroder is probably the best penetrator of the group.  That ability to "take it to the hoop" creates things that don't always show up in the box score.  Smart is the most versatile of the group.  Versatility tends not to get rewarded as much as points.

I don't see Charlotte going anywhere building a team around Rozier and Hayward as their #1 and #2 stars.  They would be great as #2 and #3 behind a true #1.  Maybe they think that is Ball.

Committing that much money to Rozier and Hayward is basically saying your goal is to try and sneak into the playoffs and put up a good fight in the first round before you bow out.

In other words, a team that we should work very hard to get draft picks from.

Re: Rosier signs 4 year $97 m extension
« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2021, 02:23:29 PM »

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Teams see something in both Rozier (and Fournier) that I don't.

Smart has had a major bigger impact on winning playoff games than either, and is getting paid less? This is looking like a shrewd move by Brad.

Re: Rosier signs 4 year $97 m extension
« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2021, 02:25:13 PM »

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I'd rather pay Rozier that then Smart or Fournier what they got because Rozier is just a better player than both of those guys. 

That said, none of them make a whole lot of sense for Boston.

Rozier's contract is incredibly questionable, they're rewarding him for 1 good (outlier) season. That's a huge risk... but it's Charlotte, no one wants to play there, so it's understandable.

Keep in mind they have LaMelo Ball there though who can change things, and does make spending on Rozier this way not all that smart.

We'll see.
He was arguably better his first year in Charlotte than he was last year so it isn't a one year outlier.  Rozier was also a much better player in Boston when he started.  He was never good as a back-up, which is why he needed to leave, but Rozier as a starter has always performed well.  Some guys just need the consistency (in minutes and role) that starting provides.

Not with the level of efficiency he showed last year, which is why he's being rewarded this way. Not even close.
He was much better from 2 point range this year, no doubt, but his 1st year in Charlotte he was better from 3 and the line.  His AST% and TRB% were better in year 1 as well.  This idea that Rozier had a 1 year fluke just isn't borne in reality.  He has been very good both of his years in Charlotte.

What are you even talking about with AST% and TRB%... they're practically equal. As for 3-point, again close enough to make it negligible from a discussion standpoint.

I'm not saying anything about a fluke, just that this level of efficiency is not something he's enjoyed throughout his career up to this point... far from it. It is an outlier. His free-throw shooting his first year in Charlotte is also quite the outlier for him, it's really the only reason the difference in efficiency scoring/shooting wise isn't as great vs last season.

They could be the LaMelo/Hayward effect helping him, but even then... rolling the dice on someone who doesn't move the needle much and they're devoid of talent over there. Next year they would potentially have had quite a bit of cap space. But again, it's Charlotte so... even with those 2 guys hard to attract other players, so in that regard, Rozier makes SOME sense. But that contract is a bad one regardless, no one was going to pay Rozier THAT in the open market.

At MOST your argument should be that he's trending up after 2 seasons in Charlotte, but arguing that he had a better 1st year from the efficiency that is currently being rewarded as your evidence that this last year wasn't out of the norm for him is not the way to go honestly.

The question then becomes can he keep it up? To me that's a big question mark, lessened with having players like LaMelo and Hayward around to help... but even with the current numbers, I think he's being paid too much. They had no reason to fear losing him in free-agency to commit to him now particularly at this absurd amount.

But I see part of the problem in our discussion, I'm not dismissing his first season there as a good one for him... I'm just saying that the level he showed scoring the basketball is not something they had seen from him before, and it seems to me that's carrying the weight of the extension. But I don't think you need to make an argument that his first year there was better, it wasn't... unless we're making a Hayward/LaMelo adjustment to his play, but that's beyond me LOL.

Thankfully for them they should have another shot at it in 2023, maybe it'll work out then.