Stackhouse on Nesmith

[sgrogan]

It's pretty funny that one loss and everyone is saying that the player is bad or limited. 

I don't know about bad, but just about every player in the league is limited in some sense.

[gift]

Nesmith is a good fit with Tatum and Brown. He won't compete for space, but will make cuts and give them options inside and out.

[tstorey_97]

Thanks to each of you for your analysis. I predict the player's range suggested in this thread is accurate.

At this point in his career, Nesmith seems similar to Jaylen Brown's rookie trajectory. A lot of physical talent that is getting refined with playing time.

Nesmith has one important advantage if you compare their second seasons on the team....Nesmith maybe patchy on defense and waiting for the NBA game to slow down some more, but he is a threat to become a top NBA shooter. Brown was never presented to us as a shooter.

This "might" help Nesmith this season and next, get to a starter's minutes even though the rest of his game needs work.

Nesmith's rookie year vs Brown's and Nesmith was a better shooter than Brown. Will this arc continue? BTW, I don't think Nesmith will ever be a better all round player than Brown, he has a shot at being a better shooter by a small margin.

Great problem to have for the Celtics!

[gouki88]

Pump the brakes. All Star potential?  He can't guard guys.  His lateral movement is scary bad.   He's a potentially elite streak shooter, but I don't see his ceiling higher than Terrence Ross.  He has poor core strength.

I have higher hopes for Begarin, who has a much stronger body and can defend multiple positions. 

Ime and Brad are going to go for defensive oriented teams.  It all starts with defense.  Look at the transactions.  Sign Smart to multi year deal, let Fournier walk.  Trade for Richardson. Trade for Dunn. 

All of the depth chart projections on CS show Nesmith as starting or first wing off bench, and Romeo relegated to 3rd string or DNPCD, I suspect when the team plays games in the fall, we will see Romeo getting more PT than Nesmith, ahead of him in the rotation.  He's a much better defender. He STARTED for Brad during the playoff series vs Brooklyn, and played quite well under the circumstances (we were outmatched by superior opponent, and were without Brown, etc.) Unpopular take, I know. I recognize flaws in Romeo, and have been disappointed in his failure to assert himself more during summer league.  His shots per game was probably less than 10.  But that profile (low usage, elite multi-positional defender) will be in high demand next to Tatum and Brown.  And his 3 point shot is starting to look acceptably close to league average of late.

There's pumping the breaks, and then there's crashing the car. Ross doesn't play like Nesmith that similarly at all.

There's nothing particularly streaky about Nesmith's shooting. It trended upward every month (besides the playoffs, but he was not alone). His monthly 3 point percentages went: 29 -> 31 -> 42 -> 27 -> 41 -> 44.

Langford has no business getting minutes ahead of Nesmith because we have to play 4v5 on the offensive end whenever he's out there.

[Roy H.]

Lol.  Nesmith had one bad summer league game, and people are forgetting not only the prior four summer league games, but also his rookie season.  The kid plays defense, and he's pretty good at it.  He plays hard and he hustles, and he can shoot.  These are established facts.

Romeo Langford to date has shown himself to be one of the worst offensive players in the NBA.  Hopefully that changes, but it's odd to me to tear down Nesmith to pump up an inferior player (whose skeleton is apparently made of peanut brittle.)

[footey]

Lol.  Nesmith had one bad summer league game, and people are forgetting not only the prior four summer league games, but also his rookie season.  The kid plays defense, and he's pretty good at it.  He plays hard and he hustles, and he can shoot.  These are established facts.

Romeo Langford to date has shown himself to be one of the worst offensive players in the NBA.  Hopefully that changes, but it's odd to me to tear down Nesmith to pump up an inferior player (whose skeleton is apparently made of peanut brittle.)

Delusional.  LOL. 

If Nesmith so superior, why was Brad starting Langford over Nesmith in playoffs? Who played more in playoffs? Who played better?

[footey]

Pump the brakes. All Star potential?  He can't guard guys.  His lateral movement is scary bad.   He's a potentially elite streak shooter, but I don't see his ceiling higher than Terrence Ross.  He has poor core strength.

I have higher hopes for Begarin, who has a much stronger body and can defend multiple positions. 

Ime and Brad are going to go for defensive oriented teams.  It all starts with defense.  Look at the transactions.  Sign Smart to multi year deal, let Fournier walk.  Trade for Richardson. Trade for Dunn. 

All of the depth chart projections on CS show Nesmith as starting or first wing off bench, and Romeo relegated to 3rd string or DNPCD, I suspect when the team plays games in the fall, we will see Romeo getting more PT than Nesmith, ahead of him in the rotation.  He's a much better defender. He STARTED for Brad during the playoff series vs Brooklyn, and played quite well under the circumstances (we were outmatched by superior opponent, and were without Brown, etc.) Unpopular take, I know. I recognize flaws in Romeo, and have been disappointed in his failure to assert himself more during summer league.  His shots per game was probably less than 10.  But that profile (low usage, elite multi-positional defender) will be in high demand next to Tatum and Brown.  And his 3 point shot is starting to look acceptably close to league average of late.

There's pumping the breaks, and then there's crashing the car. Ross doesn't play like Nesmith that similarly at all.

There's nothing particularly streaky about Nesmith's shooting. It trended upward every month (besides the playoffs, but he was not alone). His monthly 3 point percentages went: 29 -> 31 -> 42 -> 27 -> 41 -> 44.

Langford has no business getting minutes ahead of Nesmith because we have to play 4v5 on the offensive end whenever he's out there.

I'll wait for Ime to decide who gets minutes. Trust his judgment more than yours.  Or mine.  My gut instinct tells  me we will see Romeo play as much or more than Nesmith.  Because he is superior defensively.

[Jiri Welsch]

On a team desperate to win, Nesmith's chaotic energy can be a boon. On a team expecting to win, Nesmith's chaotic energy can be a liability.

He needs to somehow harness his desire to go full tilt (particularly when playing defense) if he wants to see consistent playing time next season. His shooting should get him opportunities, though.

[Roy H.]

Lol.  Nesmith had one bad summer league game, and people are forgetting not only the prior four summer league games, but also his rookie season.  The kid plays defense, and he's pretty good at it.  He plays hard and he hustles, and he can shoot.  These are established facts.

Romeo Langford to date has shown himself to be one of the worst offensive players in the NBA.  Hopefully that changes, but it's odd to me to tear down Nesmith to pump up an inferior player (whose skeleton is apparently made of peanut brittle.)

Delusional.  LOL. 

If Nesmith so superior, why was Brad starting Langford over Nesmith in playoffs? Who played more in playoffs? Who played better?

Romeo played in the playoffs because Kemba and Brown were injured, and he's a guard.  He played out of necessity.  He had one decent game in the playoffs -- which we lost by 14 -- and three lousy ones (a combined 6-for-20 in those games, and 3-for-10 from 3pT). 

[Hoopvortex]

Jerry Steakhouse was Nesmith's head coach at Vanderbilt for the 2019-20 season...

Reminds me of Glen Rice.

Makes sense. You always want to have a little rice with your steak.

Mike

LOL

TP

[Hoopvortex]

His lateral movement is scary bad.   He has poor core strength.

I think that you'll change your mind about both these things.

He got on the floor last year because of his defense.

[gouki88]

Pump the brakes. All Star potential?  He can't guard guys.  His lateral movement is scary bad.   He's a potentially elite streak shooter, but I don't see his ceiling higher than Terrence Ross.  He has poor core strength.

I have higher hopes for Begarin, who has a much stronger body and can defend multiple positions. 

Ime and Brad are going to go for defensive oriented teams.  It all starts with defense.  Look at the transactions.  Sign Smart to multi year deal, let Fournier walk.  Trade for Richardson. Trade for Dunn. 

All of the depth chart projections on CS show Nesmith as starting or first wing off bench, and Romeo relegated to 3rd string or DNPCD, I suspect when the team plays games in the fall, we will see Romeo getting more PT than Nesmith, ahead of him in the rotation.  He's a much better defender. He STARTED for Brad during the playoff series vs Brooklyn, and played quite well under the circumstances (we were outmatched by superior opponent, and were without Brown, etc.) Unpopular take, I know. I recognize flaws in Romeo, and have been disappointed in his failure to assert himself more during summer league.  His shots per game was probably less than 10.  But that profile (low usage, elite multi-positional defender) will be in high demand next to Tatum and Brown.  And his 3 point shot is starting to look acceptably close to league average of late.

There's pumping the breaks, and then there's crashing the car. Ross doesn't play like Nesmith that similarly at all.

There's nothing particularly streaky about Nesmith's shooting. It trended upward every month (besides the playoffs, but he was not alone). His monthly 3 point percentages went: 29 -> 31 -> 42 -> 27 -> 41 -> 44.

Langford has no business getting minutes ahead of Nesmith because we have to play 4v5 on the offensive end whenever he's out there.

I'll wait for Ime to decide who gets minutes. Trust his judgment more than yours.  Or mine.  My gut instinct tells  me we will see Romeo play as much or more than Nesmith.  Because he is superior defensively.

Langford can be as superior on defence as he wants (a disparity which you are exaggerating, Nesmith is a much better defender than you're presenting), he is arguably the worst offensive player in the league from what he's shown thus far.

You saying "he can't guard guys" is just dishonest.

[Hoopvortex]

If he can be a reliable spot up 3 pt shooter and continues to hustle on defense, it appears he could fit in a lot of lineup combinations.

Exactly. Whether or not he gets to All-Star consideration.

[Hoopvortex]

Pump the brakes. All Star potential?  He can't guard guys.  His lateral movement is scary bad.   He's a potentially elite streak shooter, but I don't see his ceiling higher than Terrence Ross.  He has poor core strength.

I have higher hopes for Begarin, who has a much stronger body and can defend multiple positions. 

Ime and Brad are going to go for defensive oriented teams.  It all starts with defense.  Look at the transactions.  Sign Smart to multi year deal, let Fournier walk.  Trade for Richardson. Trade for Dunn. 

All of the depth chart projections on CS show Nesmith as starting or first wing off bench, and Romeo relegated to 3rd string or DNPCD, I suspect when the team plays games in the fall, we will see Romeo getting more PT than Nesmith, ahead of him in the rotation.  He's a much better defender. He STARTED for Brad during the playoff series vs Brooklyn, and played quite well under the circumstances (we were outmatched by superior opponent, and were without Brown, etc.) Unpopular take, I know. I recognize flaws in Romeo, and have been disappointed in his failure to assert himself more during summer league.  His shots per game was probably less than 10.  But that profile (low usage, elite multi-positional defender) will be in high demand next to Tatum and Brown.  And his 3 point shot is starting to look acceptably close to league average of late.

There's pumping the breaks, and then there's crashing the car. Ross doesn't play like Nesmith that similarly at all.

There's nothing particularly streaky about Nesmith's shooting. It trended upward every month (besides the playoffs, but he was not alone). His monthly 3 point percentages went: 29 -> 31 -> 42 -> 27 -> 41 -> 44.

Langford has no business getting minutes ahead of Nesmith because we have to play 4v5 on the offensive end whenever he's out there.

I'll wait for Ime to decide who gets minutes. Trust his judgment more than yours.  Or mine.  My gut instinct tells  me we will see Romeo play as much or more than Nesmith.  Because he is superior defensively.

Romeo didn't just get minutes because of his defense, which I would agree is good and improving.

Romeo is generally not being given enough credit for what he contributes on offense. Offense is not just shooting %s. This is basketball, not HORSE.

[Kuberski33]

Nesmith I thought was pretty decent defensively last season considering that he was a rookie and didn't really have a traditional pre-season.  Last night I couldn't believe it was the same guy. Everyone drove past him and he had poor lateral movement. He was a sieve basically. And offensively he wasn't much better.

But it's only one game. The fact that he can hit the 3 and has shown he can hold his own defensively in the past means you hold onto him and be patient.  99% of the young guys in this league are inconsistent.