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Welcome Kris Dunn and Bruno Fernando
« on: August 09, 2021, 12:22:04 PM »

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I didn't see a thread for this.  I know that Kris and Bruno may be getting flipped and I don't think there has been a press conference announcing them but I felt they deserved a welcome thread.

Like some others have said, I really liked Dunn coming out of Providence.  He is not as big as I thought (listed at 6'-3") and has turned out to be more of a 3 and D guy but without a very high 3PT% (career 30.5%).   I see him as good veteran depth at PG, would prefer a minimum contract for that role but 1 year at $5M is not outrageous.  At age 27, not sure there is all that much more to see with him.

I know nothing about Bruno Fernando beyond his college and NBA stats.  I like his size and age (22), plenty of bigs develop after this age so maybe there is something there with him.  ATL had a log jam at PF (Collins, Gallinari, Okongwu) so not much opportunity.  Probably an improvement over Kornet and more upside than Ojeleye?
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Re: Welcome Kris Dunn and Bruno Fernando
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2021, 12:26:20 PM »

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Dump them.

I'd rather have the vacant roster spots than this dead weight on the team.

Dunn is a useful player but he is too injury prone to be relied on. Our bench is full of youth. We need vets who we can rely on. Not injury prone guys.

Bruno Fernandes has no role to play behind Horford, Rob Williams and Kanter.
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Re: Welcome Kris Dunn and Bruno Fernando
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2021, 12:35:34 PM »

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Quote from: Who on August 09, 2021, 12:26:20 PM
Dump them.

I'd rather have the vacant roster spots than this dead weight on the team.

Dunn is a useful player but he is too injury prone to be relied on. Our bench is full of youth. We need vets who we can rely on. Not injury prone guys.

Bruno Fernandes has no role to play behind Horford, Rob Williams and Kanter.

Both are 3rd string players. Fernando is a PF, which is the position that this team has the worst depth. I’m not sure the C’s can do better at this point in terms of adding bench talent on the cheap/short term. I’d like to keep them.
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Re: Welcome Kris Dunn and Bruno Fernando
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2021, 12:38:21 PM »

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Quote from: Who on August 09, 2021, 12:26:20 PM
Dump them.

I'd rather have the vacant roster spots than this dead weight on the team.

Dunn is a useful player but he is too injury prone to be relied on. Our bench is full of youth. We need vets who we can rely on. Not injury prone guys.

Boston's short enough on second-rounders at it is, and if they swing a Beal trade you're going to want some seconds floating around to fill out the roster with the Thompson/Theis TPEs. Unless the doctors just totally red-flag Dunn as being physically unable to play, he's worth keeping around as a third point guard and salary for trade building. Only caveat is if salary-dumping him lets you sign Schroeder with the MLE.

Quote from: Who on August 09, 2021, 12:26:20 PM
Bruno Fernandes has no role to play behind Horford, Rob Williams and Kanter.

Bruno probably gets a shot at making the team out of camp if he isn't moved by then, but yea - the Kanter signing is a clear indication that he's not in the team's plans.
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Re: Welcome Kris Dunn and Bruno Fernando
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2021, 12:39:49 PM »

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I tend to agree with Who.  If healthy, I really like Dunn in a specialized role, but with the team being a bit cheap this year $5 million seems like an overpayment for him.

I would love to send cash to another team to absorb Dunn, Fernando and Edwards.  We could then replace them with Schroeder and Millsap.
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Re: Welcome Kris Dunn and Bruno Fernando
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2021, 12:49:57 PM »

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Quote from: Roy H. on August 09, 2021, 12:39:49 PM
I would love to send cash to another team to absorb Dunn, Fernando and Edwards.  We could then replace them with Schroeder and Millsap.

It might wind up happening, but it's going to take a second-rounder or two to shed $8.5 million in money like that.
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Re: Welcome Kris Dunn and Bruno Fernando
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2021, 12:51:50 PM »

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Quote from: bogg on August 09, 2021, 12:49:57 PM
Quote from: Roy H. on August 09, 2021, 12:39:49 PM
I would love to send cash to another team to absorb Dunn, Fernando and Edwards.  We could then replace them with Schroeder and Millsap.

It might wind up happening, but it's going to take a second-rounder or two to shed $8.5 million in money like that.

Probably so. We picked one up in the Atlanta trade, so easy come, easy go.  There may be some teams that still need to add celery to get to the Minimum, and a guy like Dunn seems like the type of dude you might want on your roster.  San Antonio?
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Re: Welcome Kris Dunn and Bruno Fernando
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2021, 01:13:55 PM »

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Quote from: Roy H. on August 09, 2021, 12:51:50 PM
Quote from: bogg on August 09, 2021, 12:49:57 PM
Quote from: Roy H. on August 09, 2021, 12:39:49 PM
I would love to send cash to another team to absorb Dunn, Fernando and Edwards.  We could then replace them with Schroeder and Millsap.

It might wind up happening, but it's going to take a second-rounder or two to shed $8.5 million in money like that.

Probably so. We picked one up in the Atlanta trade, so easy come, easy go.  There may be some teams that still need to add celery to get to the Minimum, and a guy like Dunn seems like the type of dude you might want on your roster.  San Antonio?

Moving a second or two wouldn't be the end of the world, no argument there, but Boston already owes their own seconds in 23, 24, 25, and 27, so it's not like they're sitting on an enormous pile of them. Would like to see the ones they have go towards more productive purposes than just a salary dump (unless the moving the salary lets you afford productive vets in other moves).
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Re: Welcome Kris Dunn and Bruno Fernando
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2021, 01:47:53 PM »

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Quote from: bogg on August 09, 2021, 01:13:55 PM
Quote from: Roy H. on August 09, 2021, 12:51:50 PM
Quote from: bogg on August 09, 2021, 12:49:57 PM
Quote from: Roy H. on August 09, 2021, 12:39:49 PM
I would love to send cash to another team to absorb Dunn, Fernando and Edwards.  We could then replace them with Schroeder and Millsap.

It might wind up happening, but it's going to take a second-rounder or two to shed $8.5 million in money like that.

Probably so. We picked one up in the Atlanta trade, so easy come, easy go.  There may be some teams that still need to add celery to get to the Minimum, and a guy like Dunn seems like the type of dude you might want on your roster.  San Antonio?

Moving a second or two wouldn't be the end of the world, no argument there, but Boston already owes their own seconds in 23, 24, 25, and 27, so it's not like they're sitting on an enormous pile of them. Would like to see the ones they have go towards more productive purposes than just a salary dump (unless the moving the salary lets you afford productive vets in other moves).

It's not quite that dire, though. Not only did we get the 2nd from the TT trade, but we also traded the #30 pick in last year's draft for two future 2nds. Everybody says we traded the pick to dump Kanter, but that's not totally true - we just didn't want an additional guaranteed 1st round pick salary on the team and we were able to convert that into two future 2nds.
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Re: Welcome Kris Dunn and Bruno Fernando
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2021, 02:23:23 PM »

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Bruno Fernando is from Angola.  In two years at Maryland, he averaged 12 pts and 9 rebs.  Listed as 6'-9", measured to a 7'-3" wingspan for the 2019 draft.  With guys like this, the issue can be ability to play at the speed of the NBA game (think Fab Melo).  Does he have the reactions or anticipation to keep up.  I have not seen him play to be able to judge this.  For a guy like him, he can learn most anything else.

It would have been nice to see him at the summer league.  Like other rookies from this class, I suspect that he has missed out on lot of summer and preseason practice time.  Then didn't get much playing time in ATL.  Now that may have been due to the roster and it may have been because he is not that good.

So if we set the line at Ojeleye, what do people thing over the next couple of years, better or worse than Semi?  He is taller at least.
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Re: Welcome Kris Dunn and Bruno Fernando
« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2021, 02:33:06 PM »

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Quote from: jambr380 on August 09, 2021, 01:47:53 PM
Quote from: bogg on August 09, 2021, 01:13:55 PM
Quote from: Roy H. on August 09, 2021, 12:51:50 PM
Quote from: bogg on August 09, 2021, 12:49:57 PM
Quote from: Roy H. on August 09, 2021, 12:39:49 PM
I would love to send cash to another team to absorb Dunn, Fernando and Edwards.  We could then replace them with Schroeder and Millsap.

It might wind up happening, but it's going to take a second-rounder or two to shed $8.5 million in money like that.

Probably so. We picked one up in the Atlanta trade, so easy come, easy go.  There may be some teams that still need to add celery to get to the Minimum, and a guy like Dunn seems like the type of dude you might want on your roster.  San Antonio?

Moving a second or two wouldn't be the end of the world, no argument there, but Boston already owes their own seconds in 23, 24, 25, and 27, so it's not like they're sitting on an enormous pile of them. Would like to see the ones they have go towards more productive purposes than just a salary dump (unless the moving the salary lets you afford productive vets in other moves).

It's not quite that dire, though. Not only did we get the 2nd from the TT trade, but we also traded the #30 pick in last year's draft for two future 2nds. Everybody says we traded the pick to dump Kanter, but that's not totally true - we just didn't want an additional guaranteed 1st round pick salary on the team and we were able to convert that into two future 2nds.

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The status of future Celtics 2nd round picks spelled out here:

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
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Re: Welcome Kris Dunn and Bruno Fernando
« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2021, 02:38:48 PM »

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Get Schroeder & dump Grant, Bruno, Carsen & maybe Parker & Dunn if need to be
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Re: Welcome Kris Dunn and Bruno Fernando
« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2021, 02:38:56 PM »

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Quote from: Emmette Bryant on August 09, 2021, 02:33:06 PM
Quote from: jambr380 on August 09, 2021, 01:47:53 PM
Quote from: bogg on August 09, 2021, 01:13:55 PM
Quote from: Roy H. on August 09, 2021, 12:51:50 PM
Quote from: bogg on August 09, 2021, 12:49:57 PM
Quote from: Roy H. on August 09, 2021, 12:39:49 PM
I would love to send cash to another team to absorb Dunn, Fernando and Edwards.  We could then replace them with Schroeder and Millsap.

It might wind up happening, but it's going to take a second-rounder or two to shed $8.5 million in money like that.

Probably so. We picked one up in the Atlanta trade, so easy come, easy go.  There may be some teams that still need to add celery to get to the Minimum, and a guy like Dunn seems like the type of dude you might want on your roster.  San Antonio?

Moving a second or two wouldn't be the end of the world, no argument there, but Boston already owes their own seconds in 23, 24, 25, and 27, so it's not like they're sitting on an enormous pile of them. Would like to see the ones they have go towards more productive purposes than just a salary dump (unless the moving the salary lets you afford productive vets in other moves).

It's not quite that dire, though. Not only did we get the 2nd from the TT trade, but we also traded the #30 pick in last year's draft for two future 2nds. Everybody says we traded the pick to dump Kanter, but that's not totally true - we just didn't want an additional guaranteed 1st round pick salary on the team and we were able to convert that into two future 2nds.

TP

The status of future Celtics 2nd round picks spelled out here:

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

Bottom line is likely we get 3 in the next 6 years (2022, 2023, and 2026).   We have an additional highly protected one (Protected 31-55) from CHA in 2022 that is not likely to convey but still could potentially be traded.
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Re: Welcome Kris Dunn and Bruno Fernando
« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2021, 03:49:18 PM »

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Quote from: Vermont Green on August 09, 2021, 02:38:56 PM
Quote from: Emmette Bryant on August 09, 2021, 02:33:06 PM
Quote from: jambr380 on August 09, 2021, 01:47:53 PM
Quote from: bogg on August 09, 2021, 01:13:55 PM
Quote from: Roy H. on August 09, 2021, 12:51:50 PM
Quote from: bogg on August 09, 2021, 12:49:57 PM
Quote from: Roy H. on August 09, 2021, 12:39:49 PM
I would love to send cash to another team to absorb Dunn, Fernando and Edwards.  We could then replace them with Schroeder and Millsap.

It might wind up happening, but it's going to take a second-rounder or two to shed $8.5 million in money like that.

Probably so. We picked one up in the Atlanta trade, so easy come, easy go.  There may be some teams that still need to add celery to get to the Minimum, and a guy like Dunn seems like the type of dude you might want on your roster.  San Antonio?

Moving a second or two wouldn't be the end of the world, no argument there, but Boston already owes their own seconds in 23, 24, 25, and 27, so it's not like they're sitting on an enormous pile of them. Would like to see the ones they have go towards more productive purposes than just a salary dump (unless the moving the salary lets you afford productive vets in other moves).

It's not quite that dire, though. Not only did we get the 2nd from the TT trade, but we also traded the #30 pick in last year's draft for two future 2nds. Everybody says we traded the pick to dump Kanter, but that's not totally true - we just didn't want an additional guaranteed 1st round pick salary on the team and we were able to convert that into two future 2nds.

TP

The status of future Celtics 2nd round picks spelled out here:

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

Bottom line is likely we get 3 in the next 6 years (2022, 2023, and 2026).   We have an additional highly protected one (Protected 31-55) from CHA in 2022 that is not likely to convey but still could potentially be traded.

I think you’re misreading it.  We have our own in 2022, 3 in 2023 (but not our own), and our own in 2026.  So 5 over the next 5 drafts, but largely scrunched into 2023.
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Re: Welcome Kris Dunn and Bruno Fernando
« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2021, 04:58:31 PM »

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Quote from: Celtics2021 on August 09, 2021, 03:49:18 PM
Quote from: Vermont Green on August 09, 2021, 02:38:56 PM
Quote from: Emmette Bryant on August 09, 2021, 02:33:06 PM
Quote from: jambr380 on August 09, 2021, 01:47:53 PM
Quote from: bogg on August 09, 2021, 01:13:55 PM
Quote from: Roy H. on August 09, 2021, 12:51:50 PM
Quote from: bogg on August 09, 2021, 12:49:57 PM
Quote from: Roy H. on August 09, 2021, 12:39:49 PM
I would love to send cash to another team to absorb Dunn, Fernando and Edwards.  We could then replace them with Schroeder and Millsap.

It might wind up happening, but it's going to take a second-rounder or two to shed $8.5 million in money like that.

Probably so. We picked one up in the Atlanta trade, so easy come, easy go.  There may be some teams that still need to add celery to get to the Minimum, and a guy like Dunn seems like the type of dude you might want on your roster.  San Antonio?

Moving a second or two wouldn't be the end of the world, no argument there, but Boston already owes their own seconds in 23, 24, 25, and 27, so it's not like they're sitting on an enormous pile of them. Would like to see the ones they have go towards more productive purposes than just a salary dump (unless the moving the salary lets you afford productive vets in other moves).

It's not quite that dire, though. Not only did we get the 2nd from the TT trade, but we also traded the #30 pick in last year's draft for two future 2nds. Everybody says we traded the pick to dump Kanter, but that's not totally true - we just didn't want an additional guaranteed 1st round pick salary on the team and we were able to convert that into two future 2nds.

TP

The status of future Celtics 2nd round picks spelled out here:

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

Bottom line is likely we get 3 in the next 6 years (2022, 2023, and 2026).   We have an additional highly protected one (Protected 31-55) from CHA in 2022 that is not likely to convey but still could potentially be traded.

I think you’re misreading it.  We have our own in 2022, 3 in 2023 (but not our own), and our own in 2026.  So 5 over the next 5 drafts, but largely scrunched into 2023.

Yes, OK, I read that one in 2023 again and I see now that we send out our own to CHA but get three other picks, all with very convoluted stipulations/mappings:

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(1)  Less favorable of DAL and MIA if HOU 31-32; or more favorable of (i) HOU 33-60 and (ii) less favorable of DAL and MIA (via MIA to DAL; via MEM swap of DAL or MIA for HOU);
(2)  POR (via CLE to DET to LAC to ATL);
(3)  Least favorable of (i) OKC, (ii) WAS and (iii) the more favorable of DAL and MIA (via WAS to NOP to OKC; via MIA to DAL to OKC)

So bottom line?

2022    1
2023    3
2024    0
2025    0
2026    1
2027    0
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