Fournier Sign and Trade Ideas

[footey]

I'm growing increasingly skeptical Fournier wants to return to be third or fourth fiddle on the Celtics.  He probably sees himself as a number two option on a good team, rightfully or wrongfully.  Guy is leader of team France, and is relishing that role.  Maybe he would have a different take if he knew the Celtics were on the cusp, but that is just not the case.   We are projected to be middle of the pack next season.

He is probably going to command $17.5 mm to $20 mm per in a weak FA market, so will have good leverage on that front.

Several teams could be of interest to him. Even a few contending teams, who may not have the cap room. That is where sign and trade comes in.

One team in particular that could be interesting is Utah.  Fournier and Gobert jell on the court together. I could see the Jazz making a play for him.  Rumors are that they are amenable to moving Boggy and/or Ingles. I would love Ingles, but doubt Utah would be willing to give him up.

What other sign and trade deals can you think of that could make sense?

[liam]

I'm growing increasingly skeptical Fournier wants to return to be third or fourth fiddle on the Celtics.  He probably sees himself as a number two option on a good team, rightfully or wrongfully.  Guy is leader of team France, and is relishing that role.  Maybe he would have a different take if he knew the Celtics were on the cusp, but that is just not the case.   We are projected to be middle of the pack next season.

He is probably going to command $17.5 mm to $20 mm per in a weak FA market, so will have good leverage on that front.

Several teams could be of interest to him. Even a few contending teams, who may not have the cap room. That is where sign and trade comes in.

One team in particular that could be interesting is Utah.  Fournier and Gobert jell on the court together. I could see the Jazz making a play for him.  Rumors are that they are amenable to moving Boggy and/or Ingles. I would love Ingles, but doubt Utah would be willing to give him up.

What other sign and trade deals can you think of that could make sense?

I had read that Fournier was interested in finding a good spot for his family. He said the worse part of being trade was having to uproot his family. Maybe he signs a reasonable deal for stability.

[LilRip]

Sign and trades are generally confusing for me so idk if this works but how about Terry Rozier?

C’s get a low turnover, strong defensive PG who knows how to play with the Jays+Horford. Hornets get a sharpshooting option at the wing to build around Lamelo+Hayward+Bridges

Terry said some crazy stuff when he left but everyone he complained about (Hayward, Kyrie) are gone, the people he said he understood (JT, JB) are still here, and he called out CBS for not being able to manage the locker room properly (Ime is now the coach, and hey, similar sentiments leaked to the media too recently so maybe those werent the craziest things to think of).

[Big333223]

I think Fournier is the perfect 3rd wing alongside Tatum and Brown. He seems pretty comfortable and the team seems to want him. Hopefully no one overthinks this one.

[Csfan1984]

Bulls would be a good option. Both clubs would fill needs.

Fournier
for
Thaddeus Young (and maybe a filler like Brown).

Bulls
White, LaVine, Fournier, Mark, Vuce
Temple, Sato, P-Will, Cristo

C's
Smart, JB, Tatum, Young, Horford
PP, Lang, Nesmith, TT, TL

[BruceBanner18]

Double sign and trade for Devonte' Graham

[footey]

Double sign and trade for Devonte' Graham

no more mini ball!!

[footey]

Sign and trades are generally confusing for me so idk if this works but how about Terry Rozier?

C’s get a low turnover, strong defensive PG who knows how to play with the Jays+Horford. Hornets get a sharpshooting option at the wing to build around Lamelo+Hayward+Bridges

Terry said some crazy stuff when he left but everyone he complained about (Hayward, Kyrie) are gone, the people he said he understood (JT, JB) are still here, and he called out CBS for not being able to manage the locker room properly (Ime is now the coach, and hey, similar sentiments leaked to the media too recently so maybe those werent the craziest things to think of).

This could work if we are moving Smart. I just don't see a back court with Rozier and Smart together.  I'm a TR fan.  Plus he is on last year of his deal with Charlotte, which gives us cap flexibility going into 2022. 

[Walker Wiggle]

Isn't the problem that the Celtics get hard capped if they execute a sign and trade?

[Moranis]

Isn't the problem that the Celtics get hard capped if they execute a sign and trade?

If they acquire a player via sign and trade.  They can sign and trade as many of their own free agents as they want to without that restriction.

[Goldstar88]

I'm growing increasingly skeptical Fournier wants to return to be third or fourth fiddle on the Celtics.  He probably sees himself as a number two option on a good team, rightfully or wrongfully.  Guy is leader of team France, and is relishing that role.  Maybe he would have a different take if he knew the Celtics were on the cusp, but that is just not the case.   We are projected to be middle of the pack next season.

He is probably going to command $17.5 mm to $20 mm per in a weak FA market, so will have good leverage on that front.

Several teams could be of interest to him. Even a few contending teams, who may not have the cap room. That is where sign and trade comes in.

One team in particular that could be interesting is Utah.  Fournier and Gobert jell on the court together. I could see the Jazz making a play for him.  Rumors are that they are amenable to moving Boggy and/or Ingles. I would love Ingles, but doubt Utah would be willing to give him up.

What other sign and trade deals can you think of that could make sense?

Probably, maybe... sounds like a lot of baseless speculation. There have been zero reports of what you are saying.  I don’t think the C’s traded for him, while giving up assets just to move him at the end of the year.

[Celtics2021]

I'm growing increasingly skeptical Fournier wants to return to be third or fourth fiddle on the Celtics.  He probably sees himself as a number two option on a good team, rightfully or wrongfully.  Guy is leader of team France, and is relishing that role.  Maybe he would have a different take if he knew the Celtics were on the cusp, but that is just not the case.   We are projected to be middle of the pack next season.

He is probably going to command $17.5 mm to $20 mm per in a weak FA market, so will have good leverage on that front.

Several teams could be of interest to him. Even a few contending teams, who may not have the cap room. That is where sign and trade comes in.

One team in particular that could be interesting is Utah.  Fournier and Gobert jell on the court together. I could see the Jazz making a play for him.  Rumors are that they are amenable to moving Boggy and/or Ingles. I would love Ingles, but doubt Utah would be willing to give him up.

What other sign and trade deals can you think of that could make sense?

Probably, maybe... sounds like a lot of baseless speculation. There have been zero reports of what you are saying.  I don’t think the C’s traded for him, while giving up assets just to move him at the end of the year.

The reason he only cost a couple of (not very good) second round picks to acquire is because there was a distinct possibility he'd move on this summer.  I think the first choice would be to retain him, but he's probably going to the team that gives him the top dollar (and that likely correlates with the team that will give him the biggest role), so trying to do something with his Bird rights is a logical plan B.

[BruceBanner18]

Double sign and trade for Devonte' Graham

no more mini ball!!

He measured 6'1.5 in shoes with a 6'6.25 wingspan and 186-pounds at the 2018 NBA Draft Combine.

[Celtics2021]

I've proposed it before, and I'll propose it again:

Fournier (at least $15.5 million in year one) and a 2nd to the Spurs.
Tristan Thompson, guard/wing prospect of Wizards preference, and 3 1sts to the Wizards.  (Also, a random player the Spurs still have draft rights to that's in his 30s, to make the trade legit by NBA rules.  There are a few such players).
Beal to the Celtics.

If the Celtics get Beal this summer, I think it's this general structure that will make it happen.  This preserves all of the Celtics core, while not requiring the Wizards to take on money beyond Thompson's expiring (which can probably be flipped for a second now or at the deadline).

It could be a team with cap space other than the Spurs who signs Fournier and gets a free second for helping out, but I picked the Spurs because it seemed a good fit for them, and a Western conference team isn't going to drive as hard of a bargain as an Eastern Conference team, as they benefit from keeping Beal away from the Warriors/LA.  Of course, the deal is even easier if the Wizards are interested in Fournier and negotiate a deal with him, but the point is that Fournier can sign with any team at his expected value of $15-20 million and a Beal trade could be constructed from it.

[Who]

Double sign and trade for Devonte' Graham

no more mini ball!!

He measured 6'1.5 in shoes with a 6'6.25 wingspan and 186-pounds at the 2018 NBA Draft Combine.

That means he is 6 feet tall without shoes and he looks it out there. The guy is tiny.

His defense is lousy and he is only effective on offense when he has the ball in his hands. The type of player whose numbers drop the more talent is around him and is a liability on defense. I don't see him as a good fit for us.