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Re: Dame Lillard to demand trade shortly per Henry Abbott of True Hoop
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2021, 11:59:00 AM »

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This is about to be a moment of reckoning in the player empowerment era if true. Dame is about to start a 4 year extension, 3 years guaranteed. If a player can request out with that much time remaining on his deal, do contracts even matter anymore?

For the record, I think players should be able to do what they want given they drive the revenue and a team can trade them at any moment no matter how dedicated they are to the organization & city. But I can't help but think owners are going to be up in arms if this comes to pass.

I disagree on this take.  The whole point of the supermax deal that Dame signed was to allow teams that had developed a franchise player to not lose him in free agency for nothing, and be taken by surprise when that occurred.  Dame could have walked as a free agent a year ago, but he didn't, probably because Portland could offer him this special deal that no one else could.  Portland will get a chance to restart their franchise with a bevy of picks from a team like the Knicks that otherwise might have signed Dame in free agency.  I'm not going to call it a win-win, but the Blazers won't be left high and dry, and that was part of the bargain teams took on when they created the supermax.
At some point, it's going to make it impossible for a team to build anything. And it all generally goes against small market teams. If a small market team gets a star like Lillard or Freak and then they force their way out, what's the point in being a fan of that team? They can't add a 2nd star nearly as easily as one of the big franchises.

If your team isn't competitive because you're nothing but a farm system for bigger franchises, it's eventually going to cripple the fan base for those teams. The NBA will inevitably have to deal with this issue. Letting a handful of stars control personnel is going to cause a lot of franchises to crash and burn, and revenue will crash along with it.

Exactly.

And to Celtics2021's point about teams being able to recoup value, that's highly debatable. It's not like Portland can send him to the team that can make the best offer because his agent will step in if it's not a team of his choice, and that's true for all superstar trade requests. So small market teams aren't even getting to create a proper bidding market.

Then there's the appearance that players are getting their cake and eating it too. Players get these huge designated player contracts that are only supposed to be available from teams that drafted them, then basically having a delayed free agency, because again, they're going to dictate where they're traded.
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Re: Dame Lillard to demand trade shortly per Henry Abbott of True Hoop
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2021, 11:59:48 AM »

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Can confirm that the #Knicks are high on Damian Lillard's wishlist if he gets traded. Per source to
@HoopAnalysisNet, the Miami #Heat are another team he is intrigued by.
So it hasn't nothing to do with winning if he wants the Knicks.

At least they’re a legit playoff team now.

And, I won’t complain.  NY would be better than Philly.

BRK should make an offer.  Lillard to BRK, Kyrie to the Knicks.  Lol.



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Re: Dame Lillard to demand trade shortly per Henry Abbott of True Hoop
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2021, 12:23:52 PM »

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This is about to be a moment of reckoning in the player empowerment era if true. Dame is about to start a 4 year extension, 3 years guaranteed. If a player can request out with that much time remaining on his deal, do contracts even matter anymore?

For the record, I think players should be able to do what they want given they drive the revenue and a team can trade them at any moment no matter how dedicated they are to the organization & city. But I can't help but think owners are going to be up in arms if this comes to pass.

I disagree on this take.  The whole point of the supermax deal that Dame signed was to allow teams that had developed a franchise player to not lose him in free agency for nothing, and be taken by surprise when that occurred.  Dame could have walked as a free agent a year ago, but he didn't, probably because Portland could offer him this special deal that no one else could.  Portland will get a chance to restart their franchise with a bevy of picks from a team like the Knicks that otherwise might have signed Dame in free agency.  I'm not going to call it a win-win, but the Blazers won't be left high and dry, and that was part of the bargain teams took on when they created the supermax.
At some point, it's going to make it impossible for a team to build anything. And it all generally goes against small market teams. If a small market team gets a star like Lillard or Freak and then they force their way out, what's the point in being a fan of that team? They can't add a 2nd star nearly as easily as one of the big franchises.

If your team isn't competitive because you're nothing but a farm system for bigger franchises, it's eventually going to cripple the fan base for those teams. The NBA will inevitably have to deal with this issue. Letting a handful of stars control personnel is going to cause a lot of franchises to crash and burn, and revenue will crash along with it.

Exactly.

And to Celtics2021's point about teams being able to recoup value, that's highly debatable. It's not like Portland can send him to the team that can make the best offer because his agent will step in if it's not a team of his choice, and that's true for all superstar trade requests. So small market teams aren't even getting to create a proper bidding market.

Then there's the appearance that players are getting their cake and eating it too. Players get these huge designated player contracts that are only supposed to be available from teams that drafted them, then basically having a delayed free agency, because again, they're going to dictate where they're traded.

I think you and C2021 are just saying the same thing, but from a different perspective. In the end, the player gets the big contract and gets to basically play where he wants (to an extent - if a player has 3 years left on his contract, I don't think that will detract an 'unwanted' team from trying to trade for him). But, the team at least gets to recoup some value. For example, if Giannis demanded out next month, the Bucks would be in a lot better position than if he hadn't signed his supermax extension and just went where he wanted in FA.

Back to another C2021 point - I would have been all about going after Dame before we traded Kemba, but we already used that card up. All we have to show for Kemba and a mid-1st is Al Horford, and it's not like Horford is more desirable than Kemba to pretty much any team (other than us evidently). Maybe we can send OKC Horford and a 1st for Kemba and then try a deal for Dame  ;)

Re: Dame Lillard to demand trade shortly per Henry Abbott of True Hoop
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2021, 12:35:59 PM »

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Can confirm that the #Knicks are high on Damian Lillard's wishlist if he gets traded. Per source to
@HoopAnalysisNet, the Miami #Heat are another team he is intrigued by.
So it hasn't nothing to do with winning if he wants the Knicks.

My guess is Dame goes to either Knicks, Heat or 76ers. If he goes to the Knicks he will be the first chip in an offseason master plan. Maybe Leonard leaves the clippers for the Knicks? I think a Dame for Simmons based deal is still the most likely major move of the summer.
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Re: Dame Lillard to demand trade shortly per Henry Abbott of True Hoop
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2021, 12:38:21 PM »

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Can confirm that the #Knicks are high on Damian Lillard's wishlist if he gets traded. Per source to
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So it hasn't nothing to do with winning if he wants the Knicks.

My guess is Dame goes to either Knicks, Heat or 76ers. If he goes to the Knicks he will be the first chip in an offseason master plan. Maybe Leonard leaves the clippers for the Knicks? I think a Dame for Simmons based deal is still the most likely major move of the summer.

The Warriors have the best assets to go out and grab Lillard. It's probably the best place for Lillard to win next year. Klay, Curry, Lillard would be absolute death on the offensive end.

Re: Dame Lillard to demand trade shortly per Henry Abbott of True Hoop
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2021, 01:08:52 PM »

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Sixers should be all over this.

Re: Dame Lillard to demand trade shortly per Henry Abbott of True Hoop
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2021, 01:22:25 PM »

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Can confirm that the #Knicks are high on Damian Lillard's wishlist if he gets traded. Per source to
@HoopAnalysisNet, the Miami #Heat are another team he is intrigued by.
So it hasn't nothing to do with winning if he wants the Knicks.

My guess is Dame goes to either Knicks, Heat or 76ers. If he goes to the Knicks he will be the first chip in an offseason master plan. Maybe Leonard leaves the clippers for the Knicks? I think a Dame for Simmons based deal is still the most likely major move of the summer.

The Warriors have the best assets to go out and grab Lillard. It's probably the best place for Lillard to win next year. Klay, Curry, Lillard would be absolute death on the offensive end.

Dame wants to lead his team to a banner. No way he wants to team up with Steph and Klay in GS. He’s thinking, “I can lead NY or MIA to a title.” These guys are the best of the best. He expects any team he is on to be a title contender because that’s how he thinks, and he’s probably not far off. Especially in the East. And those are already playoff teams anyway.
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Re: Dame Lillard to demand trade shortly per Henry Abbott of True Hoop
« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2021, 01:23:26 PM »

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Sixers should be all over this.

They should. Embiid and Lillard is a solid one-two punch.

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« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2021, 01:23:53 PM »

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Can confirm that the #Knicks are high on Damian Lillard's wishlist if he gets traded. Per source to
@HoopAnalysisNet, the Miami #Heat are another team he is intrigued by.
So it hasn't nothing to do with winning if he wants the Knicks.

My guess is Dame goes to either Knicks, Heat or 76ers. If he goes to the Knicks he will be the first chip in an offseason master plan. Maybe Leonard leaves the clippers for the Knicks? I think a Dame for Simmons based deal is still the most likely major move of the summer.

The Warriors have the best assets to go out and grab Lillard. It's probably the best place for Lillard to win next year. Klay, Curry, Lillard would be absolute death on the offensive end.

The Knicks definitely have the better assets.  Plenty of picks, some nice prospects, and no outgoing salary.

But as someone else said, 76ers have to be the best partner.  They have to want Lillard, and Portland could be a great place for Simmons.

Re: Dame Lillard to demand trade shortly per Henry Abbott of True Hoop
« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2021, 01:24:02 PM »

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Can confirm that the #Knicks are high on Damian Lillard's wishlist if he gets traded. Per source to
@HoopAnalysisNet, the Miami #Heat are another team he is intrigued by.
So it hasn't nothing to do with winning if he wants the Knicks.

My guess is Dame goes to either Knicks, Heat or 76ers. If he goes to the Knicks he will be the first chip in an offseason master plan. Maybe Leonard leaves the clippers for the Knicks? I think a Dame for Simmons based deal is still the most likely major move of the summer.

The Warriors have the best assets to go out and grab Lillard. It's probably the best place for Lillard to win next year. Klay, Curry, Lillard would be absolute death on the offensive end.

Dame wants to lead his team to a banner. No way he wants to team up with Steph and Klay in GS. He’s thinking, “I can lead NY or MIA to a title.” These guys are the best of the best. He expects any team he is on to be a title contender because that’s how he thinks, and he’s probably not far off. Especially in the East. And those are already playoff teams anyway.

At one point we probably thought that about Kevin Durant, also.  Sometimes players want to take the easy path.


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Re: Dame Lillard to demand trade shortly per Henry Abbott of True Hoop
« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2021, 01:24:57 PM »

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Can confirm that the #Knicks are high on Damian Lillard's wishlist if he gets traded. Per source to
@HoopAnalysisNet, the Miami #Heat are another team he is intrigued by.
So it hasn't nothing to do with winning if he wants the Knicks.

My guess is Dame goes to either Knicks, Heat or 76ers. If he goes to the Knicks he will be the first chip in an offseason master plan. Maybe Leonard leaves the clippers for the Knicks? I think a Dame for Simmons based deal is still the most likely major move of the summer.

The Warriors have the best assets to go out and grab Lillard. It's probably the best place for Lillard to win next year. Klay, Curry, Lillard would be absolute death on the offensive end.

Dame wants to lead his team to a banner. No way he wants to team up with Steph and Klay in GS. He’s thinking, “I can lead NY or MIA to a title.” These guys are the best of the best. He expects any team he is on to be a title contender because that’s how he thinks, and he’s probably not far off. Especially in the East. And those are already playoff teams anyway.

I think Dame would still think he was leading The Warriors to a championship.

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« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2021, 01:43:25 PM »

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Philly for Simmons straight up but think 76ers would have to include picks

It'd be Simmons + Maxey or Thybulle + picks. Honestly, Portland should try to squeeze both Maxey and Thybulle out of the deal.
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Re: Dame Lillard to demand trade shortly per Henry Abbott of True Hoop
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2021, 01:52:27 PM »

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Philly for Simmons straight up but think 76ers would have to include picks

It'd be Simmons + Maxey or Thybulle + picks. Honestly, Portland should try to squeeze both Maxey and Thybulle out of the deal.

This is where there will be traction, IMO.  Sixers motivated to move Simmons, if they could land Dame that is the best they can expect. Portland may want picks too. 

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As he shouldn’t...

Damian Lillard is not planning to demand that the Portland Trail Blazers trade him, an NBA source has told The Oregonian/OregonLive.
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