Grant Williams: all hope lost?

[spikelovetheCelts]

I think Grant can grow into an Asset like PJ Tucker. Hopefully he has PJ's work ethic.

[liam]

I think Grant can grow into an Asset like PJ Tucker. Hopefully he has PJ's work ethic.

Grant has some work to do and he had a rough season but I think with full training camp and a new coach we could see a jump in his development this year. I think he will look better in a Spurs-style offense if that's what we are going to play.

[Celtics4ever]

I think Grant can grow into an Asset like PJ Tucker. Hopefully he has PJ's work ethic.

I don't think he has given what we seen so far.   I mean he regressed a lot in his second year.   But his career in his jeopardy so it is possible.

Grant has some work to do and he had a rough season but I think with full training camp and a new coach we could see a jump in his development this year. I think he will look better in a Spurs-style offense if that's what we are going to play.

I think he may do better in the system but a lot of his problems exist in any systems.   He will still be slow, still can't jump, and still lack length and not have a legit NBA position.   That can work if you can cause mismatches but Grant is usually the one mismatched.

What he needs for Coach is to tell him the truth, bust his bubble and see if he can respond.  I hope Coach Udoke gets in his face and let's him have it. he needs it.   He is the kind of guy that if he expended effort, he might just  make it.   But if he does not put the effort then he has zero chance to do so.   Time to put away the Cataan and work your tail off, Grant, if you want a career playing b-ball.

[tenn_smoothie]

Work ethic and playing hard have never been problem areas for Grant Williams.

[Goldstar88]

Work ethic and playing hard have never been problem areas for Grant Williams.

True, it’s just everything else.

[gouki88]

Work ethic and playing hard have never been problem areas for Grant Williams.

True, it’s just everything else.

If those are true, combined with him earning barely anything, then he's pretty obviously worth persevering with, right? 22 year-old 3rd year players with unquestionable work ethic are worth keeping

[Hoopvortex]

Work ethic and playing hard have never been problem areas for Grant Williams.

Nor are tough, physical defense in his man’s airspace, moving the ball in the halfcourt, or going where he needs to go on both ends.

His defense in particular is being underestimated on this forum.

Now that he’s been  shooting above league average from distance, his future in the league looks rosy. Coach Udoka will love him.

[SHAQATTACK]

I’m looking for him to join Baby and Sully in the Asian buffet line .

I hope there will be a few morsels left for me 

[Celtics4ever]

Work ethic and playing hard have never been problem areas for Grant Williams.

Nor are tough, physical defense in his man’s airspace, moving the ball in the halfcourt, or going where he needs to go on both ends.

His defense in particular is being underestimated on this forum.

Now that he’s been  shooting above league average from distance, his future in the league looks rosy. Coach Udoka will love him.

His great D at work,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ikHGxKxqOI\

His defensive stats are crap, he does not pass the eye test.   

Work ethic and playing hard have never been problem areas for Grant Williams.

I think you can question both last year at times.   There were quite a few players where he just watched the guy go by and did not help.  I know some thought he could start, which was in retrospect patently absurd, maybe this went to his head?

[gouki88]

Work ethic and playing hard have never been problem areas for Grant Williams.

Nor are tough, physical defense in his man’s airspace, moving the ball in the halfcourt, or going where he needs to go on both ends.

His defense in particular is being underestimated on this forum.

Now that he’s been  shooting above league average from distance, his future in the league looks rosy. Coach Udoka will love him.

His great D at work,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ikHGxKxqOI\

His defensive stats are crap, he does not pass the eye test.   

Work ethic and playing hard have never been problem areas for Grant Williams.

I think you can question both last year at times.   There were quite a few players where he just watched the guy go by and did not help.  I know some thought he could start, which was in retrospect patently absurd, maybe this went to his head?

His defence regressed in 2020-21, as did every Celtics defence, but his rookie defensive stats were awesome - 2.2 DRaptor is really solid for a rookie.

Also, using one single play to try and disprove something isn't too genuine. He was our best defender of Adebayo in the ECF last season, by a wide margin.

[tenn_smoothie]

Work ethic and playing hard have never been problem areas for Grant Williams.

True, it’s just everything else.

If those are true, combined with him earning barely anything, then he's pretty obviously worth persevering with, right? 22 year-old 3rd year players with unquestionable work ethic are worth keeping

Agree. Nothing but positives for an end of the bench player.

Yes, Williams has his limits - I'm not one who thinks he should start, not close. But he could develop - at a low price and with a good attitude.

[gouki88]

Work ethic and playing hard have never been problem areas for Grant Williams.

True, it’s just everything else.

If those are true, combined with him earning barely anything, then he's pretty obviously worth persevering with, right? 22 year-old 3rd year players with unquestionable work ethic are worth keeping

Agree. Nothing but positives for an end of the bench player.

Yes, Williams has his limits - I'm not one who thinks he should start, not close. But he could develop - at a low price and with a good attitude.

Exactly. The problem was our lack of depth resulting in him playing more than he should have. Grant is a fine 10th man

[BudweiserCeltic]

Work ethic and playing hard have never been problem areas for Grant Williams.

True, it’s just everything else.

If those are true, combined with him earning barely anything, then he's pretty obviously worth persevering with, right? 22 year-old 3rd year players with unquestionable work ethic are worth keeping

Agree. Nothing but positives for an end of the bench player.

Yes, Williams has his limits - I'm not one who thinks he should start, not close. But he could develop - at a low price and with a good attitude.

Exactly. The problem was our lack of depth resulting in him playing more than he should have. Grant is a fine 10th man

The problem is the talk that he's a "low price" player. He's actually quite costly to develop, at most he has one year to show it'd be worth it. If a trade opportunity comes along and you can use him in the package, you take it just because of that. If he were a 2nd rounder on a low price contract, then that'd be a different story.

[gouki88]

Work ethic and playing hard have never been problem areas for Grant Williams.

True, it’s just everything else.

If those are true, combined with him earning barely anything, then he's pretty obviously worth persevering with, right? 22 year-old 3rd year players with unquestionable work ethic are worth keeping

Agree. Nothing but positives for an end of the bench player.

Yes, Williams has his limits - I'm not one who thinks he should start, not close. But he could develop - at a low price and with a good attitude.

Exactly. The problem was our lack of depth resulting in him playing more than he should have. Grant is a fine 10th man

The problem is the talk that he's a "low price" player. He's actually quite costly to develop, at most he has one year to show it'd be worth it. If a trade opportunity comes along and you can use him in the package, you take it just because of that. If he were a 2nd rounder on a low price contract, then that'd be a different story.

You've said this before, but he only earns $2,617,800 this season. That is not expensive at all... currently 8 Celtics guaranteed to earn more than him

[BudweiserCeltic]

Work ethic and playing hard have never been problem areas for Grant Williams.

True, it’s just everything else.

If those are true, combined with him earning barely anything, then he's pretty obviously worth persevering with, right? 22 year-old 3rd year players with unquestionable work ethic are worth keeping

Agree. Nothing but positives for an end of the bench player.

Yes, Williams has his limits - I'm not one who thinks he should start, not close. But he could develop - at a low price and with a good attitude.

Exactly. The problem was our lack of depth resulting in him playing more than he should have. Grant is a fine 10th man

The problem is the talk that he's a "low price" player. He's actually quite costly to develop, at most he has one year to show it'd be worth it. If a trade opportunity comes along and you can use him in the package, you take it just because of that. If he were a 2nd rounder on a low price contract, then that'd be a different story.

You've said this before, but he only earns $2,617,800 this season. That is not expensive at all... currently 8 Celtics guaranteed to earn more than him

That's why I've allowed the flexibility for 1 more year at most and even that is a bit disingenuous. A 2.6M salary is quite a bit for a 10th player in the depth chart who's role is simply to develop in the end, and assuming is that high in depth chart as it is.

The problem comes with the 4,306,281 team option, and that's quite higher and costly. We have until October 31 to decide to pick-up his option, which will impact our ability in our potential free-agency in 2023. So if we don't pick it up, then he's an unrestricted free-agent at the end of this season... so why develop him? If we do pick-up the option, then there could be 2023 consequences, and beyond that it'll be a 6,235,494 qualifying offer if he remains through all that. Will that be offered? I highly doubt it unless he makes huge leaps in his game.

So I don't see it as a low price contract. I see it more as a Summer/Training Camp to see if you something have worthwhile and then either cut your loses then or go on a more expensive development path which could very have impact in potential free-agent targets in the following years.

By the same token it's salary which can be used for trades as opposed of not having tradable assets... But low price development I don't see.