3-way trade idea: BOS/CLE/POR

[Moranis]

So we receive the 3rd and 5th best players in the deal?

Thompson is pretty clearly the worst player in that trade, though his contract is a lot better than Love's. 

I think Boston can do that trade, or something close to it without Brown included at all.  Put in Smart, Langford, R. Williams, and a future 1st or two and I think Portland might do it, especially if they decide to rebuild.  That said, Portland and Cleveland could just cut Boston out entirely and just do something like Love and Sexton for McCollum.

Terrible for Boston also...you have an incredibly low opinion of Smart and R. Will, not to mention adding Romeo and 2 firsts...
I know you were just tossing ideas around but...

CJ McCollum is BY FAR the best player in that trade.  It isn't close.  Over the last 5 seasons as a 2nd option on a winning team he has basically averaged 22/4/4 shooting 39.4% from 3, 49.4% from 2, and 83.9% from the line.  If Boston acquired him while keeping Tatum, Brown, and Horford, they'd have a real shot at competing for titles over the next couple of seasons.  Smart, Thompson, R. Williams, and a couple of late 1st's is absolutely worth taking a shot with McCollum. 

McCollum, Fournier, Brown, Tatum, Horford with Pritchard, Langford, Nesmith, Parker, Brown is a nice solid 2 deep team and you still have G. Williams, Ojeleye, Kornet, and Edwards to round out the roster (with 1 open spot)

When was it announced that Robert Williams is a finished product? 
McCollum is the best offensive player in the deal Ill give you that...
Amyway you had Romeo in there on top of all that...too steep for me by a lot...

True, I did.  And you still do that trade and don't give it a second thought.  Some veteran role players and some unproven young players that can't stay healthy are absolutely worth CJ McCollum, which is why Portland wouldn't do that. 

[wiley]

So we receive the 3rd and 5th best players in the deal?

Thompson is pretty clearly the worst player in that trade, though his contract is a lot better than Love's. 

I think Boston can do that trade, or something close to it without Brown included at all.  Put in Smart, Langford, R. Williams, and a future 1st or two and I think Portland might do it, especially if they decide to rebuild.  That said, Portland and Cleveland could just cut Boston out entirely and just do something like Love and Sexton for McCollum.

Terrible for Boston also...you have an incredibly low opinion of Smart and R. Will, not to mention adding Romeo and 2 firsts...
I know you were just tossing ideas around but...

CJ McCollum is BY FAR the best player in that trade.  It isn't close.  Over the last 5 seasons as a 2nd option on a winning team he has basically averaged 22/4/4 shooting 39.4% from 3, 49.4% from 2, and 83.9% from the line.  If Boston acquired him while keeping Tatum, Brown, and Horford, they'd have a real shot at competing for titles over the next couple of seasons.  Smart, Thompson, R. Williams, and a couple of late 1st's is absolutely worth taking a shot with McCollum. 

McCollum, Fournier, Brown, Tatum, Horford with Pritchard, Langford, Nesmith, Parker, Brown is a nice solid 2 deep team and you still have G. Williams, Ojeleye, Kornet, and Edwards to round out the roster (with 1 open spot)

When was it announced that Robert Williams is a finished product? 
McCollum is the best offensive player in the deal Ill give you that...
Amyway you had Romeo in there on top of all that...too steep for me by a lot...

True, I did.  And you still do that trade and don't give it a second thought.  Some veteran role players and some unproven young players that can't stay healthy are absolutely worth CJ McCollum, which is why Portland wouldn't do that.

Agree to disagree.

You did trade for the best player in the deal, but you also downgraded the defense by a lot, and lost some guys whose defense is not easily replaceable.

That's why you don't give up as much as you did...

[BruceBanner18]

So we receive the 3rd and 5th best players in the deal?

Thompson is pretty clearly the worst player in that trade, though his contract is a lot better than Love's. 

I think Boston can do that trade, or something close to it without Brown included at all.  Put in Smart, Langford, R. Williams, and a future 1st or two and I think Portland might do it, especially if they decide to rebuild.  That said, Portland and Cleveland could just cut Boston out entirely and just do something like Love and Sexton for McCollum.

Terrible for Boston also...you have an incredibly low opinion of Smart and R. Will, not to mention adding Romeo and 2 firsts...
I know you were just tossing ideas around but...

CJ McCollum is BY FAR the best player in that trade.  It isn't close.  Over the last 5 seasons as a 2nd option on a winning team he has basically averaged 22/4/4 shooting 39.4% from 3, 49.4% from 2, and 83.9% from the line.  If Boston acquired him while keeping Tatum, Brown, and Horford, they'd have a real shot at competing for titles over the next couple of seasons.  Smart, Thompson, R. Williams, and a couple of late 1st's is absolutely worth taking a shot with McCollum. 

McCollum, Fournier, Brown, Tatum, Horford with Pritchard, Langford, Nesmith, Parker, Brown is a nice solid 2 deep team and you still have G. Williams, Ojeleye, Kornet, and Edwards to round out the roster (with 1 open spot)

McCollum has a contract meant for a super star but he's not. He may have negative trade value.

[ETNCeltics]

IMO, you're only trading Jaylen Brown as part of a deal for a superstar. Otherwise, you're trading for lesser players. Makes no sense.

Regardless, I think everyone wanting the Celtics to make a big deal are going to be disappointed. We might see a Thompson or TL deal or maybe even Smart sent somewhere for a true PG, but I believe the Celts have their eye on the '22 free agent market, not the '21 trade market.

[Goldstar88]

I don’t understand this obsession with trading Jaylen Brown. He’s a 24 year old wing who shot 40% from 3pt, averaged 25ppg and can score from anywhere. Plus, he plays both ends of the court! And he’s on a reasonable contract for several more years. Makes no sense at all.

[Irish Stew]

You are essentially trading Brown for Sexton because Love is a dead weight contract.

I find Seton interesting too, but I was thinking something like Smart and Nesmith for Sexton and filler.

[gouki88]

So we receive the 3rd and 5th best players in the deal?

Thompson is pretty clearly the worst player in that trade, though his contract is a lot better than Love's. 

I think Boston can do that trade, or something close to it without Brown included at all.  Put in Smart, Langford, R. Williams, and a future 1st or two and I think Portland might do it, especially if they decide to rebuild.  That said, Portland and Cleveland could just cut Boston out entirely and just do something like Love and Sexton for McCollum.

So we receive the 3rd and 5th best players in the deal?

Who is Tristan Thompson better than?

Tristan Thompson was better than Love last season. He's younger, owed less money and much more durable, alongside it being a wash as to who is actually better at playing basketball. No D vs no O

[Moranis]

So we receive the 3rd and 5th best players in the deal?

Thompson is pretty clearly the worst player in that trade, though his contract is a lot better than Love's. 

I think Boston can do that trade, or something close to it without Brown included at all.  Put in Smart, Langford, R. Williams, and a future 1st or two and I think Portland might do it, especially if they decide to rebuild.  That said, Portland and Cleveland could just cut Boston out entirely and just do something like Love and Sexton for McCollum.

So we receive the 3rd and 5th best players in the deal?

Who is Tristan Thompson better than?

Tristan Thompson was better than Love last season. He's younger, owed less money and much more durable, alongside it being a wash as to who is actually better at playing basketball. No D vs no O

Thompson played in more games, though Love was healthy at the end of the year.  Love played 25 games last year and about 25 mpg.  He averaged 12.2, 7.4, 2.5 with a TS% of 55.6 though a still very respectable 36.5% from 3. 

So no I don't actually think Thompson was better than Love last year.  Healthier, yes.  A better contract, absolutely.  But better, no.

[liam]

I don’t understand this obsession with trading Jaylen Brown. He’s a 24 year old wing who shot 40% from 3pt, averaged 25ppg and can score from anywhere. Plus, he plays both ends of the court! And he’s on a reasonable contract for several more years. Makes no sense at all.

I trade him for Luka, Booker, Giannis, or Zion...

[Goldstar88]

I don’t understand this obsession with trading Jaylen Brown. He’s a 24 year old wing who shot 40% from 3pt, averaged 25ppg and can score from anywhere. Plus, he plays both ends of the court! And he’s on a reasonable contract for several more years. Makes no sense at all.

I trade him for Luka, Booker, Giannis, or Zion...

Jaylen is probably a better two way player than those guys are. Luka is below average defensively and has to dominate the ball like Westbrook does, Booker is not good defensively and his 3pt shot is suspect. Giannis can’t shoot, 18% from 3pt and 55% from the line in the playoffs. Zion is  raw offensively and is injury prone. I’m really happy with Jaylen and he’s just going to get better.

[liam]

I don’t understand this obsession with trading Jaylen Brown. He’s a 24 year old wing who shot 40% from 3pt, averaged 25ppg and can score from anywhere. Plus, he plays both ends of the court! And he’s on a reasonable contract for several more years. Makes no sense at all.

I trade him for Luka, Booker, Giannis, or Zion...

Jaylen is probably a better two way player than those guys are. Luka is below average defensively and has to dominate the ball like Westbrook does, Booker is not good defensively and his 3pt shot is suspect. Giannis can’t shoot, 18% from 3pt and 55% from the line in the playoffs. Zion is  raw offensively and is injury prone. I’m really happy with Jaylen and he’s just going to get better.

None of those guys is going anywhere.

[ETNCeltics]

I don’t understand this obsession with trading Jaylen Brown. He’s a 24 year old wing who shot 40% from 3pt, averaged 25ppg and can score from anywhere. Plus, he plays both ends of the court! And he’s on a reasonable contract for several more years. Makes no sense at all.

I trade him for Luka, Booker, Giannis, or Zion...

Jaylen is probably a better two way player than those guys are. Luka is below average defensively and has to dominate the ball like Westbrook does, Booker is not good defensively and his 3pt shot is suspect. Giannis can’t shoot, 18% from 3pt and 55% from the line in the playoffs. Zion is  raw offensively and is injury prone. I’m really happy with Jaylen and he’s just going to get better.

Being a better 2 way player has only modest value. Offense is king, and those guys are all much better offensive players.

[slamtheking]

So we receive the 3rd and 5th best players in the deal?

Thompson is pretty clearly the worst player in that trade, though his contract is a lot better than Love's. 

I think Boston can do that trade, or something close to it without Brown included at all.  Put in Smart, Langford, R. Williams, and a future 1st or two and I think Portland might do it, especially if they decide to rebuild.  That said, Portland and Cleveland could just cut Boston out entirely and just do something like Love and Sexton for McCollum.

So we receive the 3rd and 5th best players in the deal?

Who is Tristan Thompson better than?

Tristan Thompson was better than Love last season. He's younger, owed less money and much more durable, alongside it being a wash as to who is actually better at playing basketball. No D vs no O

Thompson played in more games, though Love was healthy at the end of the year.  Love played 25 games last year and about 25 mpg.  He averaged 12.2, 7.4, 2.5 with a TS% of 55.6 though a still very respectable 36.5% from 3. 

So no I don't actually think Thompson was better than Love last year.  Healthier, yes.  A better contract, absolutely.  But better, no.

I think you're in the minority with that opinion.  those numbers you're posting for Love on a garbage team where he should have put up good numbers if he was close to the player he used to be, are very underwhelming.  add in the fact Love's a defensive sieve and TT is pretty clearly the better player.

[Goldstar88]

I don’t understand this obsession with trading Jaylen Brown. He’s a 24 year old wing who shot 40% from 3pt, averaged 25ppg and can score from anywhere. Plus, he plays both ends of the court! And he’s on a reasonable contract for several more years. Makes no sense at all.

I trade him for Luka, Booker, Giannis, or Zion...

Jaylen is probably a better two way player than those guys are. Luka is below average defensively and has to dominate the ball like Westbrook does, Booker is not good defensively and his 3pt shot is suspect. Giannis can’t shoot, 18% from 3pt and 55% from the line in the playoffs. Zion is  raw offensively and is injury prone. I’m really happy with Jaylen and he’s just going to get better.

Being a better 2 way player has only modest value. Offense is king, and those guys are all much better offensive players.

Zion and Giannis are much better offensive players? I will have whatever you are having.

[Muzzy66]

I think this is a horribly bad trade for Boston. 

Sexton is IMHO a downgrade from Brown and Love is a mere shadow of the player he used to be and is on a horrendous contract.   

So we receive the 3rd and 5th best players in the deal?

Thompson is pretty clearly the worst player in that trade, though his contract is a lot better than Love's. 

I think Boston can do that trade, or something close to it without Brown included at all.  Put in Smart, Langford, R. Williams, and a future 1st or two and I think Portland might do it, especially if they decide to rebuild.  That said, Portland and Cleveland could just cut Boston out entirely and just do something like Love and Sexton for McCollum.

So we receive the 3rd and 5th best players in the deal?

Who is Tristan Thompson better than?

Tristan Thompson was better than Love last season. He's younger, owed less money and much more durable, alongside it being a wash as to who is actually better at playing basketball. No D vs no O

Thompson played in more games, though Love was healthy at the end of the year.  Love played 25 games last year and about 25 mpg.  He averaged 12.2, 7.4, 2.5 with a TS% of 55.6 though a still very respectable 36.5% from 3. 

So no I don't actually think Thompson was better than Love last year.  Healthier, yes.  A better contract, absolutely.  But better, no.

I think you're in the minority with that opinion.  those numbers you're posting for Love on a garbage team where he should have put up good numbers if he was close to the player he used to be, are very underwhelming.  add in the fact Love's a defensive sieve and TT is pretty clearly the better player.

I agree.  I would much rather have Thompson then Kevin Love on their current contracts. Even if they were making the same money, I think I'd still rather have Thompson.