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Can we stop the fantasy trades and look at what we have...
« on: June 25, 2021, 10:23:42 AM »

Offline CBS_Take a Report

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I’m guilty too but it struck me, we have a legitimately organized team now at virtually every position:


PG: Smart finally gets a look at a pass first approach, our offense moved terrifically with him off the bench (and starting) and he showed signs of being able to hit the outside shot.

SG: Jaylen Brown + Aaron Nesmith (check a box)

SF: Tatum + Fournier assuming he is resigned + Grant Williams (check a box)

BIGS: Horford + Timelord + Brown + Tristan Thompson (with health could be set up nicely)

I’d like to see what free agent point guards we can attract via MLE and what a healthy squad can do next year with an offense that will have a more natural flow to it with Horford setting the offense up.

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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2021, 10:26:27 AM »

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I just don’t see as Smart as our starting PG
C/PF-Horford, Baynes, Noel, Theis, Morris,
SF/SG- Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Smart, Semi, Clark
PG- Irving, Rozier, Larkin

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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2021, 10:29:58 AM »

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Pritchard is a solid piece to have in the rotation as well.

I'm really hoping they can find an upgrade to that backup 3/4 spot that Grant is occupying right now, though.  I don't think he's better than a 3rd stringer on a good team.
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Re: Can we stop the fantasy trades and look at what we have...
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2021, 10:33:43 AM »

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Not fantasy ,  we don’t need the dream police . The real fantasy is thinking this team doesn’t need shuffling by subtractions and additions to get it where it needs to be.  Bench was garbage last year. 

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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2021, 10:58:49 AM »

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I’m guilty too but it struck me, we have a legitimately organized team now at virtually every position:


PG: Smart finally gets a look at a pass first approach, our offense moved terrifically with him off the bench (and starting) and he showed signs of being able to hit the outside shot.

SG: Jaylen Brown + Aaron Nesmith (check a box)

SF: Tatum + Fournier assuming he is resigned + Grant Williams (check a box)

BIGS: Horford + Timelord + Brown + Tristan Thompson (with health could be set up nicely)

I’d like to see what free agent point guards we can attract via MLE and what a healthy squad can do next year with an offense that will have a more natural flow to it with Horford setting the offense up.

You lost me here. Grant can barely stay with Centers. He’s too slow to guard most PF, never mind a SF....
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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2021, 11:16:44 AM »

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I would like to move TT for a decent 4. 

PG - Smart, PP
SG - Brown, Langford
SF - Fournier, Nesmith
PF - Tatum, ???
C - Horford, Timelord, Brown


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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2021, 11:22:40 AM »

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I’m guilty too but it struck me, we have a legitimately organized team now at virtually every position:


PG: Smart finally gets a look at a pass first approach, our offense moved terrifically with him off the bench (and starting) and he showed signs of being able to hit the outside shot.

SG: Jaylen Brown + Aaron Nesmith (check a box)

SF: Tatum + Fournier assuming he is resigned + Grant Williams (check a box)

BIGS: Horford + Timelord + Brown + Tristan Thompson (with health could be set up nicely)

I’d like to see what free agent point guards we can attract via MLE and what a healthy squad can do next year with an offense that will have a more natural flow to it with Horford setting the offense up.


If Smart would concentrate on playmaking, pushing pace and ball movement and stop thinking his he's a scoring option and a teacher, he'd be a pretty fair PG.

Nesmith should take a step forward, he showed growth last year.

I like our Big man potential in general, (IF Horford and Williams can stay heathy, which is questionable.) Mo Brown will be interesting.

Grant Williams and the remainder of the bench are the glaring weakness on this team. 

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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2021, 11:46:54 AM »

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I’m guilty too but it struck me, we have a legitimately organized team now at virtually every position:


PG: Smart finally gets a look at a pass first approach, our offense moved terrifically with him off the bench (and starting) and he showed signs of being able to hit the outside shot.

SG: Jaylen Brown + Aaron Nesmith (check a box)

SF: Tatum + Fournier assuming he is resigned + Grant Williams (check a box)

BIGS: Horford + Timelord + Brown + Tristan Thompson (with health could be set up nicely)

I’d like to see what free agent point guards we can attract via MLE and what a healthy squad can do next year with an offense that will have a more natural flow to it with Horford setting the offense up.


If Smart would concentrate on playmaking, pushing pace and ball movement and stop thinking his he's a scoring option and a teacher, he'd be a pretty fair PG.

Nesmith should take a step forward, he showed growth last year.

I like our Big man potential in general, (IF Horford and Williams can stay heathy, which is questionable.) Mo Brown will be interesting.

Grant Williams and the remainder of the bench are the glaring weakness on this team.

The easiest fix for this team offensively would be a commitment to pace and movement. It makes the most of our best players. I know some people will think I'm crazy but right now, without another trade, Tremont Waters makes the most sense to start at point. It might take 10-15 games, but he'd be OK. We need the pace. Otherwise, I'm really hoping we can deal for someone to help there.

I see the bench making a huge improvement. Langford and Nesmith were nearly non-existent last year, and they both should be legit rotation players next year. Horford/R Williams should mean we have a quality center playing at all times who can also pass. That was often missing last year. Pritchard should improve. We will likely keep Fournier unless we make a trade, so either Tatum, Brown or Fournier should also be out there.

We could have a very productive bench.


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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2021, 11:48:22 AM »

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eliminating fantasy deals, the team is hopefully better balanced with the Kemba trade alone (assuming Fournier is resigned).

Reasonable expectations of improvement from Romeo, Nesmith and Pritchard with health and training camp. Better integration of Moses and Parker with a training camp as well.  Optimistic hopes that training camp gets GWill back to being a useful player again.

Hopeful return to health of Timelord and Jaylen.

From there, hopefully there's a deal made that improves the balance more by gaining a better starting PG than Smart and/or a quality starting PF.  cutting Semi and Kornet loose to make roster spots available for better vets.  Waters and Tacko need to be let go because their 2-way options are exhausted and they're not worth a roster spot--hopefully better prospects signed to those deals.  fingers crossed a minor deal can be made to drop Edwards or include him in any deal involving Smart or TT for that roster alignment/cost cutting move.

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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2021, 11:50:08 AM »

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I’m guilty too but it struck me, we have a legitimately organized team now at virtually every position:


PG: Smart finally gets a look at a pass first approach, our offense moved terrifically with him off the bench (and starting) and he showed signs of being able to hit the outside shot.

SG: Jaylen Brown + Aaron Nesmith (check a box)

SF: Tatum + Fournier assuming he is resigned + Grant Williams (check a box)

BIGS: Horford + Timelord + Brown + Tristan Thompson (with health could be set up nicely)

I’d like to see what free agent point guards we can attract via MLE and what a healthy squad can do next year with an offense that will have a more natural flow to it with Horford setting the offense up.

You lost me here. Grant can barely stay with Centers. He’s too slow to guard most PF, never mind a SF....


Grant is a deep bench player who barely has a role on this team. He is only mentioned because he is on our roster candidly.

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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2021, 11:53:56 AM »

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Not fantasy ,  we don’t need the dream police . The real fantasy is thinking this team doesn’t need shuffling by subtractions and additions to get it where it needs to be.  Bench was garbage last year.
TP, chemistry and consistency is a huge problem. It needs changes. I'd try to keep the Jays everyone else is on the table.

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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2021, 07:14:54 PM »

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Sorry, when exactly did our offence move well with Smart as the lone point guard??
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« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2021, 07:35:13 PM »

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Sorry, when exactly did our offence move well with Smart as the lone point guard??

The months of April and May and then the playoffs. In that period he sustained an average of 6 apg.

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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2021, 07:40:20 PM »

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IMO:

  • Smart should be a quality bench player who plays with a specific defensive role and situational shooting = we lack a starting PG
  • Tatum's playing style is more akin to SF than PF which raises questions at SG/PF (depending how you see Jaylen)
  • Our bench is rubbish and requires significant upgrades

Stevens and Udoka have a lot of work to do however, it does feel like a new dawn so let's see what happens. FWIW, I don't consider anyone untouchable if it nets godfather offers.

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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2021, 07:51:46 PM »

Offline Rosco917

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Pace is a topic that only rings true if everyone is committed to it. I seldom witnessed a commitment to an up-pace offense last season.

Pace would mean catching the defense sleeping at times and finding the open man . It would also mean that ISO ball from the J's takes a backseat at times.