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Smart, Thompson,  Timelord OR Nesmith 1st For CJ

Yes
9 (28.1%)
No
17 (53.1%)
Yes I'd do it without adding a first
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Re: Poll: Would you make this trade For CJ McCollum
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2021, 09:07:10 AM »

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This would definitely make the Celtics a worse team. Frankly, I can’t see a good reason to add an albatross contract like his, especially because he begins the season at age 30.

To be sure, he has some skills to recommend him,but this would be a step backwards.

He’s an outstanding jumpshooter, including from long midrange, which is rare, and a great asset in today’s game. Good finisher, too, but he doesn’t get to the line much - Marcus Smart’s ftr is twice what McCollum’s was this season, though they’re both grade-A FT shooters. Similar Ast%s, but is anyone going to claim that CJ does as much to organize an offense as Brother Marcus? I didn’t think so. On the defensive end there’s no contest; good hands and quickness but he’s 190 and not in hailing distance of Smart, and he’s a lot less versatile/switchable. I’d pass on a straight-up swap, let alone with the other assets that you’re proposing.

I wouldn’t trade him straight up for Nesmith either. Aaron is 21 with good length and spring and defensive instincts. BIG age and salary difference. Nesmith shot .392 from 3 in the last four months of his rookie season, shot over league average for the whole season and over .500 from 2. He’s got a repertoire of shots off the dribble, including the all-important 8-10 footers over rim-protectors. His blossoming ability to guard wings and his emerging shooting make him a perfect complement to The Two Jays going forward.

CJ is cripplingly expensive for what he does, and he’ll be on the wrong side of 30 next year. It’s safe to say that nothing like this deal is going to happen.

I will make the claim that on offense Marcus is a liability. He can't drive, he is poor at decision-making, his shot selection is awful, he takes too many hero shots, he makes too many hero passes.  I have no confidence that Marcus can be a quality point guard.
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Re: Poll: Would you make this trade For CJ McCollum
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2021, 09:18:30 AM »

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Over the last 5 seasons as a 2nd option on a winning team he has basically averaged 22/4/4 shooting 39.4% from 3, 49.4% from 2, and 83.9% from the line and people are acting like he isn't any good.  He is still in his prime and will be for a couple of seasons

With the addition of Horford, Thompson is basically worthless to Boston.  Smart is still one of the worst offensive players in the sport.  Nesmith is a 2nd year player who showed some promise, but didn't exactly tear it up as a rookie.  The late 1st is unlikely to yield a good player.

McCollum is basically Beal and people have been willing to include Brown in a Beal trade, but won't do this one.  Crazy.
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Re: Poll: Would you make this trade For CJ McCollum
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2021, 09:45:21 AM »

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Over the last 5 seasons as a 2nd option on a winning team he has basically averaged 22/4/4 shooting 39.4% from 3, 49.4% from 2, and 83.9% from the line and people are acting like he isn't any good.  He is still in his prime and will be for a couple of seasons

With the addition of Horford, Thompson is basically worthless to Boston.  Smart is still one of the worst offensive players in the sport.  Nesmith is a 2nd year player who showed some promise, but didn't exactly tear it up as a rookie.  The late 1st is unlikely to yield a good player.

McCollum is basically Beal and people have been willing to include Brown in a Beal trade, but won't do this one.  Crazy.

I wouldn't want Beal. and I wouldn't want McCollum.

They are both exceptional players, and I agree that they would have a similar impact. But both are scorers first. Both are good passers and ball handlers but not point guards. Both can carry an offense.

The C's are stacked up at the 2 guard role. Brown often plays scoring guard. Langford plays there, and Nesmith is a nice prospect who we might be including in this deal. You might as well think of losing Fournier as part of this deal, because you aren't going to keep him with someone like McCollum around.

I personally don't think we need any stars. I think we need more primary ball handling and playmaking, and we need a power forward, and those could be handled by good complementary players.

But, if we do try for one more $30M+ star for this team, what sense does it make to bring in a player at the one position where we least need it? We would be creating a serious waste of existing assets in addition to the players we include in this deal.
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IRe: Poll: Would you make this trade For CJ McCollum
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2021, 09:49:15 AM »

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It feels like the team has some consensus around the idea that a volume scorer like Kemba wasn't a good fit next to the J's. Bringing in someone like McCollum, another small, shoot first guard with defensive problems seems unlikely.

CJ is a better player than Smart but Smart's defense might be more valuable on this team than CJ's offense would be.
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