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Re: 2021-2022 Point Guard?
« Reply #60 on: July 01, 2021, 05:49:46 AM »

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I just saw Justise Winslow has a team option. Will Memphis pick it up and pay $13M or let him walk?

What do you think his market is, and should we consider him as another wing defender and potential PG spot backup? I like his utility, but man he's inefficient. So if he's cheap, I'd give him a look, I don't know.

If he can be signed for cheap he would be a great gamble to sign as a reclamation project. The playoffs are reinforcing the importance in versatile wings, it’s not a stretch to see a healthy Winslow as a Crowder like defender helping a team win deep in the playoffs.
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Re: 2021-2022 Point Guard?
« Reply #61 on: July 01, 2021, 08:15:45 AM »

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I just saw Justise Winslow has a team option. Will Memphis pick it up and pay $13M or let him walk?

What do you think his market is, and should we consider him as another wing defender and potential PG spot backup? I like his utility, but man he's inefficient. So if he's cheap, I'd give him a look, I don't know.

If he can be signed for cheap he would be a great gamble to sign as a reclamation project. The playoffs are reinforcing the importance in versatile wings, it’s not a stretch to see a healthy Winslow as a Crowder like defender helping a team win deep in the playoffs.
More similar to Iguodala or Ariza on the Miami Heat and their inability to deliver enough offense to be valuable role players for their team.

Crowder is a legit 3+D guy.

Winslow is not.

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« Reply #62 on: July 01, 2021, 08:20:39 AM »

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I just saw Justise Winslow has a team option. Will Memphis pick it up and pay $13M or let him walk?

What do you think his market is, and should we consider him as another wing defender and potential PG spot backup? I like his utility, but man he's inefficient. So if he's cheap, I'd give him a look, I don't know.
Guy is a huge disappointment..pass
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SF/SG- Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Smart, Semi, Clark
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« Reply #63 on: July 01, 2021, 09:01:55 AM »

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I just saw Justise Winslow has a team option. Will Memphis pick it up and pay $13M or let him walk?

What do you think his market is, and should we consider him as another wing defender and potential PG spot backup? I like his utility, but man he's inefficient. So if he's cheap, I'd give him a look, I don't know.

If he can be signed for cheap he would be a great gamble to sign as a reclamation project. The playoffs are reinforcing the importance in versatile wings, it’s not a stretch to see a healthy Winslow as a Crowder like defender helping a team win deep in the playoffs.
More similar to Iguodala or Ariza on the Miami Heat and their inability to deliver enough offense to be valuable role players for their team.

Crowder is a legit 3+D guy.

Winslow is not.

At this point if the Cs where to sign Winslow it would be to essentially replace Semi. My comparison to Crowder was only intended to be as a defensive player both are shorter wide body wings with length who are able to leverage their strength and center of gravity vs bigger wings. On offense Winlsow will either have to shoot or find his Miami form as on on ball facilitator. If contracts are equal I'd rather gamble on Winslow being healthy and figure out his offense than Parker playing any defense.
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« Reply #64 on: July 01, 2021, 09:03:05 AM »

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I just saw Justise Winslow has a team option. Will Memphis pick it up and pay $13M or let him walk?

What do you think his market is, and should we consider him as another wing defender and potential PG spot backup? I like his utility, but man he's inefficient. So if he's cheap, I'd give him a look, I don't know.

If he can be signed for cheap he would be a great gamble to sign as a reclamation project. The playoffs are reinforcing the importance in versatile wings, it’s not a stretch to see a healthy Winslow as a Crowder like defender helping a team win deep in the playoffs.
More similar to Iguodala or Ariza on the Miami Heat and their inability to deliver enough offense to be valuable role players for their team.

Crowder is a legit 3+D guy.

Winslow is not.

Agreed on that regard. I just think that his best minutes in Miami were when they gave him the ball and gave him PG responsibilities. Don't recall that much since then, but recall being intrigued by the idea, plus having another defensive guy on the roster is useful, particularly a utility guy who you can plug in at pretty much any position.

So, if cheap... I'd have no problem having him around. And not that I'm calling for this, but it does give the Celtics more wiggle room to trade Smart if they want since you no longer have to worry as much about the defensive role he brought.

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« Reply #65 on: July 01, 2021, 09:23:49 AM »

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Our coach just called Marcus Smart a foundational piece.

Like it or not, he's probably our starting PG unless Brad finds a great deal.


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« Reply #66 on: July 01, 2021, 09:43:38 AM »

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I just saw Justise Winslow has a team option. Will Memphis pick it up and pay $13M or let him walk?

What do you think his market is, and should we consider him as another wing defender and potential PG spot backup? I like his utility, but man he's inefficient. So if he's cheap, I'd give him a look, I don't know.

If he can be signed for cheap he would be a great gamble to sign as a reclamation project. The playoffs are reinforcing the importance in versatile wings, it’s not a stretch to see a healthy Winslow as a Crowder like defender helping a team win deep in the playoffs.
More similar to Iguodala or Ariza on the Miami Heat and their inability to deliver enough offense to be valuable role players for their team.

Crowder is a legit 3+D guy.

Winslow is not.

At this point if the Cs where to sign Winslow it would be to essentially replace Semi. My comparison to Crowder was only intended to be as a defensive player both are shorter wide body wings with length who are able to leverage their strength and center of gravity vs bigger wings. On offense Winlsow will either have to shoot or find his Miami form as on on ball facilitator. If contracts are equal I'd rather gamble on Winslow being healthy and figure out his offense than Parker playing any defense.

I'd rather have Semi. I do not understand why so many are in a rush to get rid of him. All he does is do his job. He plays good defense and has a little bit of a jump-shot. I love him as a 3rd string PF.

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« Reply #67 on: July 01, 2021, 10:00:26 AM »

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I just saw Justise Winslow has a team option. Will Memphis pick it up and pay $13M or let him walk?

What do you think his market is, and should we consider him as another wing defender and potential PG spot backup? I like his utility, but man he's inefficient. So if he's cheap, I'd give him a look, I don't know.

If he can be signed for cheap he would be a great gamble to sign as a reclamation project. The playoffs are reinforcing the importance in versatile wings, it’s not a stretch to see a healthy Winslow as a Crowder like defender helping a team win deep in the playoffs.
More similar to Iguodala or Ariza on the Miami Heat and their inability to deliver enough offense to be valuable role players for their team.

Crowder is a legit 3+D guy.

Winslow is not.

Agreed on that regard. I just think that his best minutes in Miami were when they gave him the ball and gave him PG responsibilities. Don't recall that much since then, but recall being intrigued by the idea, plus having another defensive guy on the roster is useful, particularly a utility guy who you can plug in at pretty much any position.

So, if cheap... I'd have no problem having him around. And not that I'm calling for this, but it does give the Celtics more wiggle room to trade Smart if they want since you no longer have to worry as much about the defensive role he brought.

Yeah, I was very interested in Winslow's play during that stretch too. He was playing well rounded ball and his outside shot was falling enough to keep defenses engaged.

Since then, he has had a lot of injuries and that improvement in his shooting has vanished. It is unclear what he has to offer at this point.

In terms of the Celtics, I believe we need more and more shooting. I have little interest in putting non-shooters / low quality shooters around Jaylen and Tatum. I think we have enough of those. With Romeo and Nesmith still finding their feet in the league, I believe we need dependable shooters as alternatives to them off the bench.

(1) Romeo and Nesmith as the key bench wings
(2) Jabari as our backup PF with limited outside shooting. Semi, if he is retained, has some shooting but a low value shooter.
(3) Smart is a sketchy shooter. Inconsistent. Streaky. Capable but undependable.
(4) Horford is a plus shooter at center but Rob Williams and Moses Brown are both poor shooters.

So there is already a lot of non-shooters to limited shooters in the lineup next to Jaylen and Tatum. I want to give them more shooters. More spacing. Open the offense more.

Rather than making it more congested.

That is where my priorities are -- more towards shooting in filling out the bench roles. Providing alternatives who can shoot already present who cannot be depended on to shoot outside shots.

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« Reply #68 on: July 01, 2021, 10:16:37 AM »

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Our coach just called Marcus Smart a foundational piece.

Like it or not, he's probably our starting PG unless Brad finds a great deal.

Double sign and trade  Fournier for Devonte' Graham.

Graham is the perfect PG fit for the Cs at a reasonable price point. He's 26, going into his 4th season, played great as a starting pg two yrs ago and showed he could play off the ball when Ball arrived. He distributes, can get in the lane, pushes the pace and can also catch and shoot. Charlotte was pursuing Fournier last season and he is a better fit with that Charlotte roster than Graham. Both guys seem to be in the same contract range.

This puts Smart back to the big guard/small wing/6th man role in which he excels and gives us a starting pg without giving up youth or draft assets.

Win. Win. Win.

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« Reply #69 on: July 01, 2021, 10:22:48 AM »

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I like Graham a lot..rather have Ball but Graham be cheaper and be a good fit at PG
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« Reply #70 on: July 01, 2021, 10:41:54 AM »

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I did a deep dive, reviewing every roster in the NBA looking for who might be a good trade prospect at point. Setting aside superstars, I came away seeing only a few really good candidates, and one nagging impression; while he is hardly perfect, not deciding to roll with Terry Rozier was catastrophic for the franchise.

Perhaps only Brogdon or Ball would be clearly preferable, and you could make a case for Rozier over either of those two as well. A handful of other players would help us, but they all have significant shortcomings, either with size or shooting or age or health.

Given our current situation, I think the draft makes the most sense unless we are very fortunate and someone hands us a solid vet at a favorable price.

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« Reply #71 on: July 01, 2021, 11:47:13 AM »

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I did a deep dive, reviewing every roster in the NBA looking for who might be a good trade prospect at point. Setting aside superstars, I came away seeing only a few really good candidates, and one nagging impression; while he is hardly perfect, not deciding to roll with Terry Rozier was catastrophic for the franchise.

Perhaps only Brogdon or Ball would be clearly preferable, and you could make a case for Rozier over either of those two as well. A handful of other players would help us, but they all have significant shortcomings, either with size or shooting or age or health.

Given our current situation, I think the draft makes the most sense unless we are very fortunate and someone hands us a solid vet at a favorable price.

Yup. SO many problems would have been easier to address over the last two years if they had Terry making Marcus Smart money instead of Kemba on a max deal.

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« Reply #72 on: July 01, 2021, 03:43:56 PM »

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- Opinions on Cameron Payne?

- Would you be happy with him being our starting PG?

- How much do you think he will command on the open market? Fwiw, the Suns have Early Bird rights on Payne. They can offer him up to $7,827,812 (=105% of the league-average salary in 2020/21) if they re-sign him via Bird rights or up to $9,536,000 if they use their non-taxpayer MLE.
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- Opinions on Cameron Payne?

- Would you be happy with him being our starting PG?

- How much do you think he will command on the open market? Fwiw, the Suns have Early Bird rights on Payne. They can offer him up to $7,827,812 (=105% of the league-average salary in 2020/21) if they re-sign him via Bird rights or up to $9,536,000 if they use their non-taxpayer MLE. I think he would be very good for the Celtics!

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« Reply #74 on: July 01, 2021, 07:27:14 PM »

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- Opinions on Cameron Payne?

- Would you be happy with him being our starting PG?

- How much do you think he will command on the open market? Fwiw, the Suns have Early Bird rights on Payne. They can offer him up to $7,827,812 (=105% of the league-average salary in 2020/21) if they re-sign him via Bird rights or up to $9,536,000 if they use their non-taxpayer MLE.
I don’t think he’s a starting guard on a good team. Elite backup and would be a starter on fringe playoff teams, but I don’t think putting all our eggs in the Cam Payne basket after a hot playoff run is wise.

I’m not sure how much he’ll be offered in free agency. He and Reggie Jackson have both given themselves much more money than previously predicted
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