Celtics free agent options

[Csfan1984]

Rose/ Pritchard/Madar
Brown/ Langford/ Reddick
Tatum / Nesmith / 45* or vet min (Ariza ?)
Barnes / Parker / Grant
Horford / Timelord / Brown

This is a very good and complemntary team right now with a big shakeup, but still room for our young guys coming fro the bench and some vet and great profesionals also mentoring (Horford, Rose,Reddick, Ariza, Parker).
The big advantage of this team is that Rose and Barnes would be 2 years contract, like Horford, with only Timelord extension question next year, but a lot of room for 2023 FA (or even next one if wanted). Without extending Fournier or Smart which could finish our FA hopes.

I think those guys are nice short term players but you sacrifice the potential of signing Beal in 2022. I see Fournier as a easy sign and still be able to move in 2022 off season if Beal wants to sign or in a actual Beal S&T. Those other guys won't be easy to move once their numbers decline further and Wizards will probably ask a second team to accept them costing C's picks. So again for me it's Fournier or pass on FA.

[gouki88]

Lonzo Ball would be perfect for this team: size, defense, pass-first, can hit the 3.

We need to get rid of a lot of dead weight and get some real NBA players. Get rid of Waters, G. Williams, Yabusele, Edwards. As much as I love Tacko not sure he will ever play any serious minutes.

Resign Fournier & Jabari.

Sure I would love to add a JJ Redick at minimum for a bench scorer.

We need to trade TT to open up the position and get rid of his salary.

You’re the second guy I’ve seen mention Yabu as dead weight on this roster, even though he hasn’t been here for years. What’s going on?

[fmbl24]

Lonzo Ball would be perfect for this team: size, defense, pass-first, can hit the 3.

We need to get rid of a lot of dead weight and get some real NBA players. Get rid of Waters, G. Williams, Yabusele, Edwards. As much as I love Tacko not sure he will ever play any serious minutes.

Resign Fournier & Jabari.

Sure I would love to add a JJ Redick at minimum for a bench scorer.

We need to trade TT to open up the position and get rid of his salary.

You’re the second guy I’ve seen mention Yabu as dead weight on this roster, even though he hasn’t been here for years. What’s going on?

People are looking at Hoopshype the wrong way is my guess

[Vermont Green]

There is really no scenario where we are going to be under the cap which means that we have no "room" to sign any free agents through a conventional signing (other than resigning our own such as Fournier).  We have the MLE and we can do sign and trades.  Sign and Trades could involve Celtics players or use of a TPE but sign and trades result in us being hard capped (as many have pointed out) so we are limited. but there are tiers of things we can do.

Our biggest need is a PF (or a swing who can legitimately play PF).  If we are going to do any kind of a sign and trade for an upper'ish tier FA, to me it should be for a PF.  Markannen, Collins, someone like that.  The salary for these types of players will exceed any TPEs we have (the biggest is $11M) so this is going to require sending out Smart and Thompson and possibly a young player or pick.  That is giving up a lot plus ending up hard capped.  If we are going to do something like this, it better be for a really good player who fills a major need.

The next tier is to S&T for someone who could fit in a TPE (up to $11M) with potentially picks added (or young players, finagled as separate deals).  That does not buy you all that much these days on the NBA FA market, not a starting PF, and likely not a starter at all.  I am not sure there is going to be a value for us via this path.  Is there a good enough bench player available to spend this kind of money and assets on?  Maybe a starting PG and move Smart to the bench (probably not Lowry)?  I don't think so but I am sure I have not thought of all the possibilities.

The last or lowest tier is to use the MLE.  The non-tax payer version of this is $9.3M but using this would in a sense hard cap us also.  The tax payer version of this is $5.9M  That is enough to get a decent depth player and I suspect that we will deploy this, probably the tax payer level to keep our options open.  Maybe a back up PG?  Maybe a bench big?

[Rikibellevie]

Rose/ Pritchard/Madar
Brown/ Langford/ Reddick
Tatum / Nesmith / 45* or vet min (Ariza ?)
Barnes / Parker / Grant
Horford / Timelord / Brown

This is a very good and complemntary team right now with a big shakeup, but still room for our young guys coming fro the bench and some vet and great profesionals also mentoring (Horford, Rose,Reddick, Ariza, Parker).
The big advantage of this team is that Rose and Barnes would be 2 years contract, like Horford, with only Timelord extension question next year, but a lot of room for 2023 FA (or even next one if wanted). Without extending Fournier or Smart which could finish our FA hopes.

I think those guys are nice short term players but you sacrifice the potential of signing Beal in 2022. I see Fournier as a easy sign and still be able to move in 2022 off season if Beal wants to sign or in a actual Beal S&T. Those other guys won't be easy to move once their numbers decline further and Wizards will probably ask a second team to accept them costing C's picks. So again for me it's Fournier or pass on FA.

Yes, but the real goal is Beal in 2022 or Jokic/Embid in 2023? Or even Harden, Butler, Durant, Middleton or Van Vleet (Zion) in this incredible 2023 Free agency...
We may wait 2 years with this team. Again the only problem would be Timelord extension. Also I see it is an easyest way to end the contract at te right time than being in a position of needing to dumb a player (who may be injured or regress) to have the cash to sign FA.

There is both possibilities for the reason of the Kemba trade : have more room to unload Horford next year and sign or trade earlyer; or have a little room to make little changes now and wait until 2023 to catch the big 3rd fish...

[Who]

Our biggest need is a PF (or a swing who can legitimately play PF).  If we are going to do any kind of a sign and trade for an upper'ish tier FA, to me it should be for a PF.  Markannen, Collins, someone like that.  The salary for these types of players will exceed any TPEs we have (the biggest is $11M) so this is going to require sending out Smart and Thompson and possibly a young player or pick.  That is giving up a lot plus ending up hard capped.  If we are going to do something like this, it better be for a really good player who fills a major need.

John Collins would be a great fit with Al Horford here. Horford is exactly what Collins needs. A high post 5 who will vacate the paint and allow Collins to attack the open space inside for high percentage hoops. He would be an awesome fit on this team.

I am less keen on Markkanen with Horford here. I do not like Markkanen as a PF. He is an undersized five. He lacks the speed / ball-handling / passing of smaller forwards and does not have enough of a matchup advantage at PF. Playing with Horford would force Markkanen to play to his weaknesses rather than his strengths. It is a bad fit.

I view Collins as an interior PF - he has perimeter scoring too but it his interior scoring that makes him special.
And Markkanen as a perimeter C [undersized quick C] -- it is his speed, outside shooting & scoring ability against opposing 7 footers (slower big men) that makes Markkanen special (rather than his play against 6-8/6-9 wings).

Not both PF / swings. Different positions.

[Who]

I am warming to the Derrick Rose idea.

I would not start him though. I am not wild about his fit with Tatum & Jaylen. Rose is too shot-happy. He is a score first me first type of PG. I prefer him as a change of pace backup PG. Someone who can shoulder the bench scoring and give the team a lift while one or both of Tatum / Jaylen rest.

D-Rose could be a good MLE guy in that role.

[Csfan1984]

Rose/ Pritchard/Madar
Brown/ Langford/ Reddick
Tatum / Nesmith / 45* or vet min (Ariza ?)
Barnes / Parker / Grant
Horford / Timelord / Brown

This is a very good and complemntary team right now with a big shakeup, but still room for our young guys coming fro the bench and some vet and great profesionals also mentoring (Horford, Rose,Reddick, Ariza, Parker).
The big advantage of this team is that Rose and Barnes would be 2 years contract, like Horford, with only Timelord extension question next year, but a lot of room for 2023 FA (or even next one if wanted). Without extending Fournier or Smart which could finish our FA hopes.

I think those guys are nice short term players but you sacrifice the potential of signing Beal in 2022. I see Fournier as a easy sign and still be able to move in 2022 off season if Beal wants to sign or in a actual Beal S&T. Those other guys won't be easy to move once their numbers decline further and Wizards will probably ask a second team to accept them costing C's picks. So again for me it's Fournier or pass on FA.

Yes, but the real goal is Beal in 2022 or Jokic/Embid in 2023? Or even Harden, Butler, Durant, Middleton or Van Vleet (Zion) in this incredible 2023 Free agency...
We may wait 2 years with this team. Again the only problem would be Timelord extension. Also I see it is an easyest way to end the contract at te right time than being in a position of needing to dumb a player (who may be injured or regress) to have the cash to sign FA.

There is both possibilities for the reason of the Kemba trade : have more room to unload Horford next year and sign or trade earlyer; or have a little room to make little changes now and wait until 2023 to catch the big 3rd fish...

Absolutely agree this team should be focused on keeping flexibility to make a big FA splash be it 2022 or 2023. I just say plan for 2022. Beal has an opt out and out of all the 2022 and 2023 FAs he feels most likely to come here.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I am warming to the Derrick Rose idea.

I would not start him though. I am not wild about his fit with Tatum & Jaylen. Rose is too shot-happy. He is a score first me first type of PG. I prefer him as a change of pace backup PG. Someone who can shoulder the bench scoring and give the team a lift while one or both of Tatum / Jaylen rest.

D-Rose could be a good MLE guy in that role.

I honestly don't see a better alternative (as a free-agent) at our potential price range. And he's been playing well. I don't mind him starting though, would you start Pritchard instead? Because if it's between Smart and Rose I'd pick Rose to start instead of bringing him off the bench.

PF/C type would be my other priority, Bobby Portis is a name some and me have thrown to the mix. Just haven't really studied the other alternatives all that much, but it's the type of player I'd be looking for and he's been willing to take short money to be in a good team, so he'd be either an MLE type or a S&T type... either with our Trade Exception or using Thompson if the Bucks are interested in keeping some big men depth. Maybe he's happy there and will stick around, particularly with their playoff success, though he was benched last series. If Bucks win, maybe he'll be looking for a payday instead.

[gouki88]

Our biggest need is a PF (or a swing who can legitimately play PF).  If we are going to do any kind of a sign and trade for an upper'ish tier FA, to me it should be for a PF.  Markannen, Collins, someone like that.  The salary for these types of players will exceed any TPEs we have (the biggest is $11M) so this is going to require sending out Smart and Thompson and possibly a young player or pick.  That is giving up a lot plus ending up hard capped.  If we are going to do something like this, it better be for a really good player who fills a major need.

John Collins would be a great fit with Al Horford here. Horford is exactly what Collins needs. A high post 5 who will vacate the paint and allow Collins to attack the open space inside for high percentage hoops. He would be an awesome fit on this team.

I am less keen on Markkanen with Horford here. I do not like Markkanen as a PF. He is an undersized five. He lacks the speed / ball-handling / passing of smaller forwards and does not have enough of a matchup advantage at PF. Playing with Horford would force Markkanen to play to his weaknesses rather than his strengths. It is a bad fit.

I view Collins as an interior PF - he has perimeter scoring too but it his interior scoring that makes him special.
And Markkanen as a perimeter C [undersized quick C] -- it is his speed, outside shooting & scoring ability against opposing 7 footers (slower big men) that makes Markkanen special (rather than his play against 6-8/6-9 wings).

Not both PF / swings. Different positions.

I agree, Collins alongside Horford would be a really good fit. Unsure who our starting PG would be, but a group of Brown-Tatum-Collins-Horford is a good start.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Our biggest need is a PF (or a swing who can legitimately play PF).  If we are going to do any kind of a sign and trade for an upper'ish tier FA, to me it should be for a PF.  Markannen, Collins, someone like that.  The salary for these types of players will exceed any TPEs we have (the biggest is $11M) so this is going to require sending out Smart and Thompson and possibly a young player or pick.  That is giving up a lot plus ending up hard capped.  If we are going to do something like this, it better be for a really good player who fills a major need.

John Collins would be a great fit with Al Horford here. Horford is exactly what Collins needs. A high post 5 who will vacate the paint and allow Collins to attack the open space inside for high percentage hoops. He would be an awesome fit on this team.

I am less keen on Markkanen with Horford here. I do not like Markkanen as a PF. He is an undersized five. He lacks the speed / ball-handling / passing of smaller forwards and does not have enough of a matchup advantage at PF. Playing with Horford would force Markkanen to play to his weaknesses rather than his strengths. It is a bad fit.

I view Collins as an interior PF - he has perimeter scoring too but it his interior scoring that makes him special.
And Markkanen as a perimeter C [undersized quick C] -- it is his speed, outside shooting & scoring ability against opposing 7 footers (slower big men) that makes Markkanen special (rather than his play against 6-8/6-9 wings).

Not both PF / swings. Different positions.

I agree, Collins alongside Horford would be a really good fit. Unsure who our starting PG would be, but a group of Brown-Tatum-Collins-Horford is a good start.

I like Collins as well, just no clue on how he can be had... it's going to be expensive, and would require starter level players in return and all we have are ones with expiring contracts, not something I'd trade for if I had Collins at hand.

[mr. dee]

I don't get the fascination with players who will certainly get paid next season. It's better to find player like vetarans like Horford who were rotting on lottery teams as they are affordable.

If you want a solid glue guys, you scout underachieving teams with talented players who were probably underutilized, not guys who were performing excellent right now.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I don't get the fascination with players who will certainly get paid next season. It's better to find player like vetarans like Horford who were rotting on lottery teams as they are affordable.

If you want a solid glue guys, you scout underachieving teams with talented players who were probably underutilized, not guys who were performing excellent right now.

Players that like Horford that we traded a star, albeit with some knee issues, plus a 1st rounder for?

[gouki88]

I don't get the fascination with players who will certainly get paid next season. It's better to find player like vetarans like Horford who were rotting on lottery teams as they are affordable.

If you want a solid glue guys, you scout underachieving teams with talented players who were probably underutilized, not guys who were performing excellent right now.

Confused by this. Veterans "like Horford" meaning what? Guys that have been overpaid by somebody else?

[mr. dee]

I don't get the fascination with players who will certainly get paid next season. It's better to find player like vetarans like Horford who were rotting on lottery teams as they are affordable.

If you want a solid glue guys, you scout underachieving teams with talented players who were probably underutilized, not guys who were performing excellent right now.

Players that like Horford that we traded a star, albeit with some knee issues, plus a 1st rounder for?

Kemba got traded for Horford, straight up. I can argue that Moses Brown have the same value as the 1st round pick, if not better. Not only we saved up cap space by getting rid Kemba's bloated contract, we also got our former defensive anchor who may still be capable even on decline.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbfVJ4rNcNE&t=226s

Based on the highlights, looks like he didn't lost much step. Remember that OKC shelved him not because he's bad, but because it's the opposite and it will be detrimental on their tanking plan.