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Do the Celtics have a team leader problem?
« on: June 19, 2021, 10:50:28 PM »

Offline Ogaju

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Who is the leader of this team?

I would guess it is Tatum if you follow the tradition of the NBA that the team belongs to the best player, but this is unclear with the Cs. So unclear that even on this blog people refer to the team as belonging to the Jays.

Questions with Tatum are whether he welcomes the leadership role, whether he is equipped for the role, and whether the organization has given him a roster he can lead giving his age, seniority, and personality.

It is safe to say that Tatum did not seek nor does he relish the team leader leader position. We can agree that this position was thrust on him unexpectedly.

It was not the organization’s plan. The plan was for seasoned veterans Al Horford, Kyrie Irving, and Gordon Hayward, to lead the team. Each of these three were max contract free agents with seniority and stellar game. They had the game and tenure to lead.

With the injuries to Hayward and Kyrie, Tatum thrust himself into the limelight with a spectacular rookie season that took the team to within minutes of the NBA finals. And this sealed his acceleration to the leadership position.

With the departures of Irving, Hayward, and Horford, Tatum became the best player on the team but certain realities clouded his ascension to the leadership of the team.

First, the team brought in another max free agent veteran Kemba Walker without a definite statement of his leadership role, if any. Was he brought in to lead? Not clear, this out Tatum in limbo.

Second, Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart, two very strong willed individuals, lottery picks in their own right, with seniority over Tatum. Brown, a strong willed introvert who probably has leadership aspirations of his own, and therefore has not conceded leadership to the junior Tatum. Marcus, an extrovert and vocal player, has years of seniority on Tatum and probably thinks he is the de facto  leader of the team. Their presence creates a complicated leadership picture for the team.

Third, and perhaps most important, Tatum’s personality does not lend itself to leadership in this situation. Because of his mild, shy, and introvert personality, Tatum will most likely defer to the likes of Brown and Smart. He is younger than them, he has less seniority  than them, and I am not sure that Brown will admit Tatum has more game than him. It is not surprising that it is Brown and Smart that have scuffled in the locker room, because the exhibit more  the alpha male personality. Tatum just doesn’t seem to have the personality to embrace the leadership that was prematurely thrust on him.

I may have missed it, but can someone post anything that shows any player on the Celtics acknowledging Tatum as the leader on this team.

The Cs can take steps to fix this ….

a. Trade Brown and Smart if they do not accept Tatum as the team leader. This is drastic, but Tatum would probably be able to lead younger players that accept his leadership and tenure in the league. Problem is, is he ready to wait for those players to develop.

b. Keep Brown and Smart but name Tatum the team captain, have him present at introductory pressers for new signings, and make other moves and pronouncements that solidify him as the captain.






Re: Do the Celtics have a team leader problem?
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2021, 10:55:22 PM »

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Who says they need a leader in the first place?

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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2021, 11:13:04 PM »

Offline Rondo9

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Who says they need a leader in the first place?

Is trading Kemba not enough? Now they’re going to trade Brown?

#JKJB

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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2021, 11:38:17 PM »

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Leader? Isn’t that what they brought big Al in for?
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Very much so.

Re: Do the Celtics have a team leader problem?
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2021, 02:25:16 AM »

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Re: Do the Celtics have a team leader problem?
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2021, 07:53:02 AM »

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Define "leader" and tell me why we blow up the team just to define who it is.

Perhaps you meant "captain".  The role is open currently, but bringing back this moniker may be a good thing.  That said, Tatum is not suited for the role as you stated.

What the team needed (before the Horford trade) was more guys with leadership qualities.  They now have Smart, Horford and Brown, all guys who can be vocal, be role models and push each other to be better.

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I think there is a reason that we brought Horford back. he was a strong voice in the locker room and is a vet who can be respected.

its dissapointing that Kemba who was a strong leader in charlotte and a rock of health came here and i guess had friction with Brad and was always injured.

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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2021, 10:16:01 AM »

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Define "leader" and tell me why we blow up the team just to define who it is.

Perhaps you meant "captain".  The role is open currently, but bringing back this moniker may be a good thing.  That said, Tatum is not suited for the role as you stated.

What the team needed (before the Horford trade) was more guys with leadership qualities.  They now have Smart, Horford and Brown, all guys who can be vocal, be role models and push each other to be better.
Who says any of them are good team leaders?  What leadership did they show during the Kyrie stint?  What leadership did they show this season?  We know Smart and Brown have clashed which certainly doesn't seem like good leadership.  How much respect do the other players actually have for Smart, Horford and Brown?  How much respect do they have for each other?

There are plenty of people with leadership qualities who aren't good team leaders.  Team leaders need to have leadership qualities but above all they need to be team focused.  They also need to be disciplined and proactive in make sure the team "health" is good and dealing with issues that arise.  Team leaders also need to be in sync with each other.  If they are rowing the boat in different directions, the boat is just going to flounder.     

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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2021, 10:28:19 AM »

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On the court, it has been Smart. Off the court, it's been Brown. Horford makes a case in his return, but he isn't even guaranteed to be here after this season.

Cs should just make Tatum the captain at this point. Dude is drama free and is ready for the next step in his development. We should make it clear to him and everybody else that this is his team moving forward.

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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2021, 10:41:07 AM »

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For those quick to say it’s Al Horford, please remember his leadership presence was here when this team was at its peak level of disfunction, during Kyries last season.

Yeah that’s mostly all on Kyrie, but at no point during any of this was Al to be found trying to put out these little media fires being set by other players.

I think Al is a guy that can set a great example of work ethic and character but I personally don’t think he has much of a voice in the locker room.  He’s more of a guy that shows up for work, does his job and goes home without really worry about what anyone else is doing
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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2021, 11:21:17 AM »

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hopefully the new coach will make this a moot point.

Just continue to add as many high character guys to the team as possible moving forward...a strong coach slightly diminishes this necessity, but not a lot.

In any case...the team leader is the one who brings the team back to 10th best in assists this coming year, instead of 5th worst.

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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2021, 11:29:27 AM »

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Define "leader" and tell me why we blow up the team just to define who it is.

Perhaps you meant "captain".  The role is open currently, but bringing back this moniker may be a good thing.  That said, Tatum is not suited for the role as you stated.

What the team needed (before the Horford trade) was more guys with leadership qualities.  They now have Smart, Horford and Brown, all guys who can be vocal, be role models and push each other to be better.

My definition of leader on an NBA team is the #1 guy. The guy who you can say definitely ‘this is his team’. He rallies the team he gets in other player’s faces and they either fear or respect him. He is either the best player on the team or has been in the best player on the team in the recent past.

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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2021, 11:33:48 AM »

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On the court, it has been Smart. Off the court, it's been Brown. Horford makes a case in his return, but he isn't even guaranteed to be here after this season.

Cs should just make Tatum the captain at this point. Dude is drama free and is ready for the next step in his development. We should make it clear to him and everybody else that this is his team moving forward.

Do you see the problem now? You say the leader is currently Marcus on the court and Brown off the court, but the team should hand the keys to Tatum. Will that work?

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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2021, 11:37:01 AM »

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This is one of the reasons I think Smart should be traded! He thinks he's the leader, he wants to be the leader, but he's not good enough to be the leader! And it's keeping Brown and Tatum from trying to be the leaders!