Player X is washed up 🙄

[arctic 3.0]

So tired of reading fans definitive statements like this.
How many times has someone posted “Chris Paul is toast”
“Mike Conley is a shell of himself”… Blake griffin, the entire 6rs team…
Over and over again we write off players based on almost zero info.
We got one or two of those guys on our roster. Let’s not assume they’re next stop is a an old folks home

[Walker Wiggle]

I remember thinking this about Chris Paul before he was traded to Oklahoma City. I think he had one bad year in Houston (judging by his stats) and people must have freaked. As I recall he also was frequently injured.

However, the conclusion about Blake Griffin a couple years ago proved accurate. He has been absolutely sapped of his athleticism, and his ceiling is now "useful role player on a super team". So, some of these "washed up" assessments turn out to be correct.

The problem with Kemba Walker is that his game is predicated on quickness, explosion, and violently cutting and stopping. That's not at at all conducive to chronic knee issues. This is different from a Chris Paul, for instance, who's a bigger-bodied PG who still has enough athleticism combined with his brain, passing, and leadership.

[celticsclay]

So tired of reading fans definitive statements like this.
How many times has someone posted “Chris Paul is toast”
“Mike Conley is a shell of himself”… Blake griffin, the entire 6rs team…
Over and over again we write off players based on almost zero info.
We got one or two of those guys on our roster. Let’s not assume they’re next stop is a an old folks home

Chris Paul has absolutely been an exception to a normal aging curve. I am sure our stats people could prove how insane it has been based on historical performance.

I have not really heard anyone writing that Mike Conley is a shell of himself. When exactly where people saying that? Last year when he battled injuries?

As for Blake Griffin, he is washed up. He is trying more than he was in Detroit and that is obvious, but he is clearly a role player. Compared to being a perennial all-star that is absolutely washed up.

As for players you haven't mentioned, there have been a ton that people said were washed up and are in fact washed up. People said Aldridge was also. He is. People said Gasol was. He is. People said Cousins was. He is. I would actually argue with you that there is more of a problem with fans not realizing when players are washed up versus prematurely saying they are.

[footey]

Jabari Parker is 28, and is not washed up. He is not the same player, but not washed up. Kudos to Danny for locking him in through next season. Could solve some power forward stuff for us, at least on the bench.

Al Horford? His productivity last season matched that when he played with us. I think he has a few more years in the tank. I think he is 34?

Lebron will be 37, and no one is writing him off anytime soon.

[celticsclay]

Jabari Parker is 28, and is not washed up. He is not the same player, but not washed up. Kudos to Danny for locking him in through next season. Could solve some power forward stuff for us, at least on the bench.

Al Horford? His productivity last season matched that when he played with us. I think he has a few more years in the tank. I think he is 34?

Lebron will be 37, and no one is writing him off anytime soon.

Horford is absolutely washed up. Is this a joke? He was a perennial all star and will never come close to an all star game again. If you say someone is washed up it doesn’t mean they are not an nba player but just not nearly what they were. Horford is never going to play more than 26 minutes a game or so. He is significantly less than what he was.

[Moranis]

Jabari Parker is 28, and is not washed up. He is not the same player, but not washed up. Kudos to Danny for locking him in through next season. Could solve some power forward stuff for us, at least on the bench.

Al Horford? His productivity last season matched that when he played with us. I think he has a few more years in the tank. I think he is 34?

Lebron will be 37, and no one is writing him off anytime soon.

Horford is absolutely washed up. Is this a joke? He was a perennial all star and will never come close to an all star game again. If you say someone is washed up it doesn’t mean they are not an nba player but just not nearly what they were. Horford is never going to play more than 26 minutes a game or so. He is significantly less than what he was.

Horford was playing 28 mpg this year with pretty solid offensively efficiency.  His per minute offensive efficiency was also the best it had been in years and really wasn't much worse than his absolute apex.  Now I'll agree he isn't going to play the minutes he was playing at his peak again, but he absolutely could play 85% of his teams games at 27-30 mpg with solid offensive efficiency next year, since he basically did that this year before they sent him home healthy.  Defensively he is a shell of what he once was, but not offensively.

[footey]

Jabari Parker is 28, and is not washed up. He is not the same player, but not washed up. Kudos to Danny for locking him in through next season. Could solve some power forward stuff for us, at least on the bench.

Al Horford? His productivity last season matched that when he played with us. I think he has a few more years in the tank. I think he is 34?

Lebron will be 37, and no one is writing him off anytime soon.

Horford is absolutely washed up. Is this a joke? He was a perennial all star and will never come close to an all star game again. If you say someone is washed up it doesn’t mean they are not an nba player but just not nearly what they were. Horford is never going to play more than 26 minutes a game or so. He is significantly less than what he was.

Just going by the stats bro. Look up his numbers. About as good as they were in Boston the last two years.

[celticsclay]

Jabari Parker is 28, and is not washed up. He is not the same player, but not washed up. Kudos to Danny for locking him in through next season. Could solve some power forward stuff for us, at least on the bench.

Al Horford? His productivity last season matched that when he played with us. I think he has a few more years in the tank. I think he is 34?

Lebron will be 37, and no one is writing him off anytime soon.

Horford is absolutely washed up. Is this a joke? He was a perennial all star and will never come close to an all star game again. If you say someone is washed up it doesn’t mean they are not an nba player but just not nearly what they were. Horford is never going to play more than 26 minutes a game or so. He is significantly less than what he was.

Horford was playing 28 mpg this year with pretty solid offensively efficiency.  His per minute offensive efficiency was also the best it had been in years and really wasn't much worse than his absolute apex.  Now I'll agree he isn't going to play the minutes he was playing at his peak again, but he absolutely could play 85% of his teams games at 27-30 mpg with solid offensive efficiency next year, since he basically did that this year before they sent him home healthy.  Defensively he is a shell of what he once was, but not offensively.

I didn’t say anything about his efficiency. He is efficient but he just is a role player and he used to be an all star. I think that is what people mean when they say washed up generally. Also, him playing 28 minutes a game is right in line with what I said at 26 or so moving forward.

[Moranis]

Jabari Parker is 28, and is not washed up. He is not the same player, but not washed up. Kudos to Danny for locking him in through next season. Could solve some power forward stuff for us, at least on the bench.

Al Horford? His productivity last season matched that when he played with us. I think he has a few more years in the tank. I think he is 34?

Lebron will be 37, and no one is writing him off anytime soon.

Horford is absolutely washed up. Is this a joke? He was a perennial all star and will never come close to an all star game again. If you say someone is washed up it doesn’t mean they are not an nba player but just not nearly what they were. Horford is never going to play more than 26 minutes a game or so. He is significantly less than what he was.

Horford was playing 28 mpg this year with pretty solid offensively efficiency.  His per minute offensive efficiency was also the best it had been in years and really wasn't much worse than his absolute apex.  Now I'll agree he isn't going to play the minutes he was playing at his peak again, but he absolutely could play 85% of his teams games at 27-30 mpg with solid offensive efficiency next year, since he basically did that this year before they sent him home healthy.  Defensively he is a shell of what he once was, but not offensively.

I didn’t say anything about his efficiency. He is efficient but he just is a role player and he used to be an all star. I think that is what people mean when they say washed up generally. Also, him playing 28 minutes a game is right in line with what I said at 26 or so moving forward.

He averaged basically 14/7/3.5 this year.  That is in line or better than basically any season since he was in Atlanta (and on his reduced minutes).  He took more shots this year then he has in any season since 2014 (again even accounting the reduced minutes).  Offensively he really hasn't slowed down at all. 

[gouki88]

Jabari Parker is 28, and is not washed up. He is not the same player, but not washed up. Kudos to Danny for locking him in through next season. Could solve some power forward stuff for us, at least on the bench.

Al Horford? His productivity last season matched that when he played with us. I think he has a few more years in the tank. I think he is 34?

Lebron will be 37, and no one is writing him off anytime soon.

Horford is absolutely washed up. Is this a joke? He was a perennial all star and will never come close to an all star game again. If you say someone is washed up it doesn’t mean they are not an nba player but just not nearly what they were. Horford is never going to play more than 26 minutes a game or so. He is significantly less than what he was.

Horford was playing 28 mpg this year with pretty solid offensively efficiency.  His per minute offensive efficiency was also the best it had been in years and really wasn't much worse than his absolute apex.  Now I'll agree he isn't going to play the minutes he was playing at his peak again, but he absolutely could play 85% of his teams games at 27-30 mpg with solid offensive efficiency next year, since he basically did that this year before they sent him home healthy.  Defensively he is a shell of what he once was, but not offensively.

I didn’t say anything about his efficiency. He is efficient but he just is a role player and he used to be an all star. I think that is what people mean when they say washed up generally. Also, him playing 28 minutes a game is right in line with what I said at 26 or so moving forward.

He averaged basically 14/7/3.5 this year.  That is in line or better than basically any season since he was in Atlanta (and on his reduced minutes).  He took more shots this year then he has in any season since 2014 (again even accounting the reduced minutes).  Offensively he really hasn't slowed down at all.

He wasn't an All-Star because of his offence

[celticsclay]

Jabari Parker is 28, and is not washed up. He is not the same player, but not washed up. Kudos to Danny for locking him in through next season. Could solve some power forward stuff for us, at least on the bench.

Al Horford? His productivity last season matched that when he played with us. I think he has a few more years in the tank. I think he is 34?

Lebron will be 37, and no one is writing him off anytime soon.

Horford is absolutely washed up. Is this a joke? He was a perennial all star and will never come close to an all star game again. If you say someone is washed up it doesn’t mean they are not an nba player but just not nearly what they were. Horford is never going to play more than 26 minutes a game or so. He is significantly less than what he was.

Horford was playing 28 mpg this year with pretty solid offensively efficiency.  His per minute offensive efficiency was also the best it had been in years and really wasn't much worse than his absolute apex.  Now I'll agree he isn't going to play the minutes he was playing at his peak again, but he absolutely could play 85% of his teams games at 27-30 mpg with solid offensive efficiency next year, since he basically did that this year before they sent him home healthy.  Defensively he is a shell of what he once was, but not offensively.

I didn’t say anything about his efficiency. He is efficient but he just is a role player and he used to be an all star. I think that is what people mean when they say washed up generally. Also, him playing 28 minutes a game is right in line with what I said at 26 or so moving forward.

He averaged basically 14/7/3.5 this year.  That is in line or better than basically any season since he was in Atlanta (and on his reduced minutes).  He took more shots this year then he has in any season since 2014 (again even accounting the reduced minutes).  Offensively he really hasn't slowed down at all.

He wasn't an All-Star because of his offence

Yeah to be honest I’m kind of confused what your posts even means. It seems like you agree with me that he is not the player he used to be. In this instance cause his defense fell off a cliff.

[Moranis]

Jabari Parker is 28, and is not washed up. He is not the same player, but not washed up. Kudos to Danny for locking him in through next season. Could solve some power forward stuff for us, at least on the bench.

Al Horford? His productivity last season matched that when he played with us. I think he has a few more years in the tank. I think he is 34?

Lebron will be 37, and no one is writing him off anytime soon.

Horford is absolutely washed up. Is this a joke? He was a perennial all star and will never come close to an all star game again. If you say someone is washed up it doesn’t mean they are not an nba player but just not nearly what they were. Horford is never going to play more than 26 minutes a game or so. He is significantly less than what he was.

Horford was playing 28 mpg this year with pretty solid offensively efficiency.  His per minute offensive efficiency was also the best it had been in years and really wasn't much worse than his absolute apex.  Now I'll agree he isn't going to play the minutes he was playing at his peak again, but he absolutely could play 85% of his teams games at 27-30 mpg with solid offensive efficiency next year, since he basically did that this year before they sent him home healthy.  Defensively he is a shell of what he once was, but not offensively.

I didn’t say anything about his efficiency. He is efficient but he just is a role player and he used to be an all star. I think that is what people mean when they say washed up generally. Also, him playing 28 minutes a game is right in line with what I said at 26 or so moving forward.

He averaged basically 14/7/3.5 this year.  That is in line or better than basically any season since he was in Atlanta (and on his reduced minutes).  He took more shots this year then he has in any season since 2014 (again even accounting the reduced minutes).  Offensively he really hasn't slowed down at all.

He wasn't an All-Star because of his offence

True, but that doesn't mean he is washed up either.  I just think that has basically come to mean the guy has nothing left i.e. a shell of himself and I don't think that describes Horford who is still performing pretty darn well overall (not near his peak, but not a guy that gives you hardly anything either).  Even defensively some of his advanced metrics still measure up pretty well to his peak.  His DBPM for example was decently above his career average in his shortened season last year. 

[Kiorrik]

So tired of reading fans definitive statements like this.
How many times has someone posted “Chris Paul is toast”
“Mike Conley is a shell of himself”… Blake griffin, the entire 6rs team…
Over and over again we write off players based on almost zero info.
We got one or two of those guys on our roster. Let’s not assume they’re next stop is a an old folks home

Any time someone presents an opinion as a fact, it sort of makes me laugh at them.

It says more about the person saying those things than about whatever topic they're talking about.

[ozgod]

So tired of reading fans definitive statements like this.
How many times has someone posted “Chris Paul is toast”
“Mike Conley is a shell of himself”… Blake griffin, the entire 6rs team…
Over and over again we write off players based on almost zero info.
We got one or two of those guys on our roster. Let’s not assume they’re next stop is a an old folks home

There's a reason fans are short for "fanatics"

There's also a reason why fans are not GMs or coaches of their teams, because we would all be out of a job really quick 

[Kernewek]

A couple of thoughts from reading this thread:

Washed up is almost universally used to describe someone who is no longer successful or effective.

Most athletes age like milk, but there are some players who really don't function well in a particular system or team that may appear to be washed but could positively contribute to the right team.

Chris Paul had a Horford-esque year in the regular season, since the conversation has gone like this (effective, but not washed up, but absolutely washed up if you're celticsclay and washed up just means losing a step). He is have a brilliant series against Denver, but that's only two games.