C’s reportedly interested In D’Antoni

[Celtics2021]

I hope this report is a false rumor. D'antoni has never sniffed a title and it's because of the style he coaches.
Tatum, Brown and especially Smart, don't need even more of a green light to jack up bad shots. They need the opposite.

He’s been to 3 conference finals, including being up 3-2 vs. the Super Team Warriors in 2018, when Chris Paul got hurt and missed the final two games of the series.  This isn’t Coach Bud we’re talking about here.

[Somebody]

Very curious why people think that D’Antoni sucks when he’d be a championship coach if Chris Paul didn’t have the soft tissue of a 65 year-old man. His Suns teams were legit too

I mean he was probably a Horry hip check away from ROFLstomping the Jazz and Cavaliers.

[Kernewek]

If I recall, D'Antoni's defenses have never been anything to write home about. He's also never led a team to the NBA Finals, much less win a title. I'm sure the team's offense would be better under him, but I don't know that the team would go farther.

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Houston's had a couple of good defensive seasons under D'Antoni, but he's much more offensively-oriented, for sure.

I think if we're waiting for a title-winning coach to be available it's going to be a very long wait. D'Antoni would be a good fit, I think, but I can see why some people aren't excited about him (Harden-ball was an absolute eyesore).

[Somebody]

If I recall, D'Antoni's defenses have never been anything to write home about. He's also never led a team to the NBA Finals, much less win a title. I'm sure the team's offense would be better under him, but I don't know that the team would go farther.

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Houston's had a couple of good defensive seasons under D'Antoni, but he's much more offensively-oriented, for sure.

I think if we're waiting for a title-winning coach to be available it's going to be a very long wait. D'Antoni would be a good fit, I think, but I can see why some people aren't excited about him (Harden-ball was an absolute eyesore).

I'm pretty sure most people enjoyed Nash-ball. Not sure why are people ignoring that completely because he coached under a very rigid analytical front office.

[Rikibellevie]

As an assistant of an unexperimented coach yes of course. For the post of head coach, hell no !

[celts10]

I hope this report is a false rumor. D'antoni has never sniffed a title and it's because of the style he coaches.
Tatum, Brown and especially Smart, don't need even more of a green light to jack up bad shots. They need the opposite.

He’s been to 3 conference finals, including being up 3-2 vs. the Super Team Warriors in 2018, when Chris Paul got hurt and missed the final two games of the series.  This isn’t Coach Bud we’re talking about here.

Yup. And he may very well win a title this year with the Nets as an assistant coach.

[Kernewek]

If I recall, D'Antoni's defenses have never been anything to write home about. He's also never led a team to the NBA Finals, much less win a title. I'm sure the team's offense would be better under him, but I don't know that the team would go farther.

.

Houston's had a couple of good defensive seasons under D'Antoni, but he's much more offensively-oriented, for sure.

I think if we're waiting for a title-winning coach to be available it's going to be a very long wait. D'Antoni would be a good fit, I think, but I can see why some people aren't excited about him (Harden-ball was an absolute eyesore).

I'm pretty sure most people enjoyed Nash-ball. Not sure why are people ignoring that completely because he coached under a very rigid analytical front office.

Not necessarily ignoring it, but the SSOL Suns were a thing 15 years ago, so there's some recency bias to be expected. Also we have no idea what Stevens as GM will offer one way or the other in terms of the front office.

I would say that the Celtics' best players tend to trend more towards Harden than Nash, as well.

[Who]

If I recall, D'Antoni's defenses have never been anything to write home about. He's also never led a team to the NBA Finals, much less win a title. I'm sure the team's offense would be better under him, but I don't know that the team would go farther.

.

Houston's had a couple of good defensive seasons under D'Antoni, but he's much more offensively-oriented, for sure.

I think if we're waiting for a title-winning coach to be available it's going to be a very long wait. D'Antoni would be a good fit, I think, but I can see why some people aren't excited about him (Harden-ball was an absolute eyesore).

I'm pretty sure most people enjoyed Nash-ball. Not sure why are people ignoring that completely because he coached under a very rigid analytical front office.

Because that offense was completely dependent on the individual brilliance of Steve Nash and cannot be replicated without a PG of similar talent & mentality.

D'Antoni's offenses in New York, LA and Houston are more telling.

[gift]

D'Antoni has some benefits. Tatum and Brown probably increase their perceived status around the league as premier talents under a better offense. This might help attract a third premier talent. He also keeps them happy for at least a couple of years and maybe helps improve Boston's appeal generally as a fun place to play.

In the meantime, Brad needs to figure out how to build a contending roster over the next 2-3 years and possibly be prepared to step back in to coach around that time. I don't buy into the idea that D'Antoni can't coach a team to a championship (I don't buy it for Brad either), but he's 70 and he'd be coaching a semi-rebuilding team for a couple of years. Whoever the next coach is, I expect it to be a relatively short run for that person, but especially an older coach.

[Who]

The guy that I could see getting a large bump from D'Antoni is Kemba Walker. D'Antoni is both a PG's coach and a PnR based coach. That is perfect for Kemba. I could see Kemba having a huge season under D'Antoni.

Neither Jaylen or Tatum are big PnR players. They run some but not that many and not that well when they do do PnRs. Both of them are based on versatile offense than PnR action. I do not see either one getting a D'Antoni style bump because of this. I see them more similar to Melo or Kobe under D'Antoni.

Not to mention their numbers are already huge. 25ppg and 3.5apg for Jaylen & 26.5ppg and 4.5apg for Tatum despite covid hit campaign.

[gift]

The guy that I could see getting a large bump from D'Antoni is Kemba Walker. D'Antoni is both a PG's coach and a PnR based coach. That is perfect for Kemba. I could see Kemba having a huge season under D'Antoni.

Neither Jaylen or Tatum are big PnR players. They run some but not that many and not that well when they do do PnRs. Both of them are based on versatile offense than PnR action. I do not see either one getting a D'Antoni style bump because of this. I see them more similar to Melo or Kobe under D'Antoni.

Not to mention their numbers are already huge. 25ppg and 3.5apg for Jaylen & 26.5ppg and 4.5apg for Tatum despite covid hit campaign.

It would be interesting since Kemba is not a playmaking PG. He'd have the green light. I'm just not sure how much of his shot making decline is temporary or fixable at this stage of his health/age. I'd like to have Tatum run more PnR and Brown get better looks from 3 and quick offense before the defense gets set. Payton Pritchard probably sees a bump in a D'Antoni offense also. Still not a playmaker, but young enough to develop that.

[Somebody]

If I recall, D'Antoni's defenses have never been anything to write home about. He's also never led a team to the NBA Finals, much less win a title. I'm sure the team's offense would be better under him, but I don't know that the team would go farther.

.

Houston's had a couple of good defensive seasons under D'Antoni, but he's much more offensively-oriented, for sure.

I think if we're waiting for a title-winning coach to be available it's going to be a very long wait. D'Antoni would be a good fit, I think, but I can see why some people aren't excited about him (Harden-ball was an absolute eyesore).

I'm pretty sure most people enjoyed Nash-ball. Not sure why are people ignoring that completely because he coached under a very rigid analytical front office.

Because that offense was completely dependent on the individual brilliance of Steve Nash and cannot be replicated without a PG of similar talent & mentality.

D'Antoni's offenses in New York, LA and Houston are more telling.

To be fair MDA did some fantastic work during those years with Nash's sidekicks - Joe Johnson was a '3 and D' wing who shouldered a considerable offensive load in '05 as the secondary ballhandler on that team, Leandro Barbosa blossomed into a great sixth man who was a viable isolationist and high-level spot up shooter while Boris Diaw developed into an elite passing big man with a versatile post game. A lot of Phoenix offence was due to Nash, but MDA did an excellent job at developing Phoenix's young talent into impact players on high-level teams to amplify Nash's brilliance. I would love to see him do something similar with players like Jaylen Brown, FastPP, Robert Williams, Grant Williams, Romeo Langford, Aaron Nesmith, whoever we select at #16 assuming we use the pick, etc while refining Smart like he did with Raja Bell.

As for his work with New York, Los Angeles and Houston, I think the argument that he coached two black holes and worked under a very rigid front office is just as valid as your concerns about the replicability of those Suns attacks. I just see a coach who can develop our young talent and find a way to build a high-octane offence without the hindrance of egotistical black holes or a front office that is insistent on playing a ruthlessly efficient brand of basketball that looks static and soulless to the average basketball fan.

[Who]

The guy that I could see getting a large bump from D'Antoni is Kemba Walker. D'Antoni is both a PG's coach and a PnR based coach. That is perfect for Kemba. I could see Kemba having a huge season under D'Antoni.

Neither Jaylen or Tatum are big PnR players. They run some but not that many and not that well when they do do PnRs. Both of them are based on versatile offense than PnR action. I do not see either one getting a D'Antoni style bump because of this. I see them more similar to Melo or Kobe under D'Antoni.

Not to mention their numbers are already huge. 25ppg and 3.5apg for Jaylen & 26.5ppg and 4.5apg for Tatum despite covid hit campaign.

It would be interesting since Kemba is not a playmaking PG. He'd have the green light. I'm just not sure how much of his shot making decline is temporary or fixable at this stage of his health/age. I'd like to have Tatum run more PnR and Brown get better looks from 3 and quick offense before the defense gets set. Payton Pritchard probably sees a bump in a D'Antoni offense also. Still not a playmaker, but young enough to develop that.

Yeah, I think Pritchard gets a good boost under D'Antoni too. Especially if Kemba gets moved. Pritchard could be a 15-18ppg 5-6apg guy under D'Antoni.

[Somebody]

If I recall, D'Antoni's defenses have never been anything to write home about. He's also never led a team to the NBA Finals, much less win a title. I'm sure the team's offense would be better under him, but I don't know that the team would go farther.

.

Houston's had a couple of good defensive seasons under D'Antoni, but he's much more offensively-oriented, for sure.

I think if we're waiting for a title-winning coach to be available it's going to be a very long wait. D'Antoni would be a good fit, I think, but I can see why some people aren't excited about him (Harden-ball was an absolute eyesore).

I'm pretty sure most people enjoyed Nash-ball. Not sure why are people ignoring that completely because he coached under a very rigid analytical front office.

Not necessarily ignoring it, but the SSOL Suns were a thing 15 years ago, so there's some recency bias to be expected. Also we have no idea what Stevens as GM will offer one way or the other in terms of the front office.

I would say that the Celtics' best players tend to trend more towards Harden than Nash, as well.

To be fair MDA did very well with a young wing on the cusp of stardom in Joe Johnson in the 1.5 years they worked together. He also got the best out of Shawn Marion, although I am aware that Marion played a significantly different role on offence compared to the Jays.

[Somebody]

The guy that I could see getting a large bump from D'Antoni is Kemba Walker. D'Antoni is both a PG's coach and a PnR based coach. That is perfect for Kemba. I could see Kemba having a huge season under D'Antoni.

Neither Jaylen or Tatum are big PnR players. They run some but not that many and not that well when they do do PnRs. Both of them are based on versatile offense than PnR action. I do not see either one getting a D'Antoni style bump because of this. I see them more similar to Melo or Kobe under D'Antoni.

Not to mention their numbers are already huge. 25ppg and 3.5apg for Jaylen & 26.5ppg and 4.5apg for Tatum despite covid hit campaign.

It would be interesting since Kemba is not a playmaking PG. He'd have the green light. I'm just not sure how much of his shot making decline is temporary or fixable at this stage of his health/age. I'd like to have Tatum run more PnR and Brown get better looks from 3 and quick offense before the defense gets set. Payton Pritchard probably sees a bump in a D'Antoni offense also. Still not a playmaker, but young enough to develop that.

Yeah, I think Pritchard gets a good boost under D'Antoni too. Especially if Kemba gets moved. Pritchard could be a 15-18ppg 5-6apg guy under D'Antoni.

I think MDA might develop FastPP like Leandro Barbosa tbh. He has the dribble game and shooting down, MDA might see his role as a shot creator who spaces the floor rather than a playmaker.