would kemba for porzingis work? (Merged)

[PhoSita]

Right now the Celtics are able to get way under the cap after the 2022-23 season once Kemba's contract runs out.

This is true but it must be pointed out that this would require choosing not to re-sign

Fournier
Smart
Timelord
Romeo


I'm not sure how much cap space the Celtics would even have in that scenario.  Is it plausible that they will have anything close to max cap room that summer?

[cons]

interesting thoughts
thx for the insights
TPs all around

sounds like zinger has lost his zing

i hadnt seen him play much lately

saw a bit yesterday and yeah, wasn't impressed

too bad for dallas
gotta ove luka
im hoping they can get it together out there

zinger probably wouldnt be happy here either, 3rd star at best, and we dont need that.

hoping our new GM can pul off something cool though

[Vermont Green]

The question is if the trade would work.  If this question is in the context of the cap rules, clearly yes, the trade works straight up and would have the flexibility to add a few pieces around it as well.  Porzingis makes a little less but has one more year which is a consideration with a player with his injury history (worse than Kemba's).

In terms of the Celtics, on paper, this is a great trade.  Porzingis is that big who can shoot.  I think he would fit great next to Brown and Tatum.  A true PF that we desperately need.  But there is big time injury risk.  I don't know the medical details of what his problems have been or if it can be reasonably expected that he may be past them.  In terms of the Celtics, the only question around this trade would be his durability.  Otherwise, this would be a no-brainer for the Celtics.  And even if you thought durability was an equal risk, I would rather take the risk with a young big over an older shoot first PG.

As for Dallas, I get that Porzingis has been grumbling, but unless Dallas is concerned about his health and his ability to stay on the court, I can't see why they would trade him.  Luka does dominate the ball too much but the coach should be able to address that.  It doesn't seem that an older, shoot first guard with health concerns would fix that for them.  Porzingis should be the perfect player to pair with Luka, unless he isn't expected to be durable.  If I am Dallas, I give this pair another shot to figure it out.

Kind of funny to think about it but who would trade Tatum and Walker for Luka and Porzingis?  Does this make the trade better for Boston or worse?  Luka right now is on a path to be the next Harden or Westbrook.  Great players but too ball dominant for the teams to be elite.  I think we are better with Tatum and Walker.

[Hoopvortex]

it works in the ESPN trade machine

not sure how accurate this is

i thought of this idea after reading how porzingis may be unhappy but can be hard to move bc has a big deal and is injured a lot

that reminded me of kemba! haha

maybe we switch problems?

we could use a big who can shoot, they can use kemba bc ... umm.. maybe they'll just like kemba bc he seems like a happier person ??

They could use Kemba because they need another player who can create shots. Their reliance on one guy hurt them in the Clippers series.

On the other hand Porzingis is very expensive for what he provides, even without considering his health issues and prospects. If he could make plays or even provide more off the dribble for himself it might be different.

If I'm Brad, I decline.

[Roy H.]

I think we need to start clearing cap space.  No contracts beyond two years.

[CBS_Take a Report]

Yes or no?

We actually would get cap relief the next 2 years (5m and 3.5m respectively) and then have an extra year with KP at 36. With the cap going up between 3-10% annually this 36 number while terrible isn’t debilitating.

Yes KP Is often injured but I’d rather manage a big mans minutes then a ball handler and someone who controls the offense.

KP is not being used well in Dallas offense. Kemba isn’t in ours.

[ETNCeltics]

KP is complaining about not getting the ball in Dallas, it's not going to be any better for him here with Tatum and Brown.

But Dallas won't do that. They need a strong defender beside Doncic to take any defensive load off him. An undersized PG is not what they're looking for.

[fmbl24]

I think we need to start clearing cap space.  No contracts beyond two years.

I agree. Resign Fournier for 2 years. Try to trade A few rookie scales for a vet no more than 2 years on the books, then MLE for 2 years

[Moranis]

As I posted elsewhere, I think something like this makes sense for both teams

Walker, Thompson

for

Porzingis, Burke

That trade seems to make sense for both squads.  I might even throw in the Boston 1st this year as additional incentive.  Trade drops salary and provides a better fitting roster.  And KP, while injury prone, fits the skills set and timeline of the J's a lot better than Walker does.

Starters - Smart, Brown, Tatum, Porzingis, Williams
Rotation - Pritchard, Burke, Fournier, Williams, Nesmith, Langford, Parker
Deep Bench - Kornet, Ojeleye, Edwards

I think that team has more top end potential both in the short term and long term.  And the salary drop from Kemba/TT to KP/Burke makes re-signing Fournier a lot easier (still a tax team, but not devastatingly high).

[Walker Wiggle]

I think we need to start clearing cap space.  No contracts beyond two years.

Correct, with the caveat that if you can acquire a legit star to pair with Tatum and Brown, then this concern is out the window and you jump into the luxury tax with both feet and compete for a title. For instance, Kemba plus Timelord and loads of future draft picks for [insert disgruntled super star]. But Porzingis is not that third star that would make such a strategy worthwhile.

[Roy H.]

As I posted elsewhere, I think something like this makes sense for both teams

Walker, Thompson

for

Porzingis, Burke

That trade seems to make sense for both squads.  I might even throw in the Boston 1st this year as additional incentive.  Trade drops salary and provides a better fitting roster.  And KP, while injury prone, fits the skills set and timeline of the J's a lot better than Walker does.

Starters - Smart, Brown, Tatum, Porzingis, Williams
Rotation - Pritchard, Burke, Fournier, Williams, Nesmith, Langford, Parker
Deep Bench - Kornet, Ojeleye, Edwards

I think that team has more top end potential both in the short term and long term.  And the salary drop from Kemba/TT to KP/Burke makes re-signing Fournier a lot easier (still a tax team, but not devastatingly high).

What about that extra year at $36 million?

[Sophomore]

What I saw from Porzingis vs the Clippers was not very appealing. And that’s what he can offer *if* he stays healthy.

Three years of that? No thanks.

[Moranis]

As I posted elsewhere, I think something like this makes sense for both teams

Walker, Thompson

for

Porzingis, Burke

That trade seems to make sense for both squads.  I might even throw in the Boston 1st this year as additional incentive.  Trade drops salary and provides a better fitting roster.  And KP, while injury prone, fits the skills set and timeline of the J's a lot better than Walker does.

Starters - Smart, Brown, Tatum, Porzingis, Williams
Rotation - Pritchard, Burke, Fournier, Williams, Nesmith, Langford, Parker
Deep Bench - Kornet, Ojeleye, Edwards

I think that team has more top end potential both in the short term and long term.  And the salary drop from Kemba/TT to KP/Burke makes re-signing Fournier a lot easier (still a tax team, but not devastatingly high).

What about that extra year at $36 million?

I think the extra 10 million or so off the books the next 2 years is far more valuable than paying KP big money 3 years down the line that you wouldn't have with Kemba.  Though I do think they'd try to re-sign Kemba anyway (at less money).  If that extra 10 million next year means you can't bring back Fournier or have to trade Smart to keep the tax lower, that is a much worse detriment to the team. 

At the end of the day, I think that trade makes Boston better both next year and long term.  That makes it almost a no brainer to do.

[RJ87]

As I posted elsewhere, I think something like this makes sense for both teams

Walker, Thompson

for

Porzingis, Burke

That trade seems to make sense for both squads.  I might even throw in the Boston 1st this year as additional incentive.  Trade drops salary and provides a better fitting roster.  And KP, while injury prone, fits the skills set and timeline of the J's a lot better than Walker does.

Starters - Smart, Brown, Tatum, Porzingis, Williams
Rotation - Pritchard, Burke, Fournier, Williams, Nesmith, Langford, Parker
Deep Bench - Kornet, Ojeleye, Edwards

I think that team has more top end potential both in the short term and long term.  And the salary drop from Kemba/TT to KP/Burke makes re-signing Fournier a lot easier (still a tax team, but not devastatingly high).

What about that extra year at $36 million?

I think if we're targeting a big contract for an oft injured big man, Kevin Love makes more sense. He'd keep us on that 2 year timeline and his contract shaves a bit off our cap hit.

Kemba would be an awkward fit in Cleveland, but I could see them making the move from an attitude perspective as I think Love has worn out his welcome in the locker room there.

[PhoSita]

I think we need to start clearing cap space.  No contracts beyond two years.

So it probably makes sense to trade anybody who has value and who will hit free agency between now and 2023, right?