Zelico obradovic

[Somebody]

Not going to happen.. most in the US don't even know him..  probably every US star would not like him because he commands the team's plays but.... he is by far the best coach in the world.. his teams play exceptional defense..every team he has coached plays methodical and wins.. most players improve under him.. knows better than everyone eurobasketball and can bring 1,2 guys for there that can help.. will make jalen and Jason help each other through a system.. would demand a true point guard and centers who can rebound and defend.
 Ask coach K and popovich about him.. ask every euro guy in the NBA about him.. he has won everything in Europe..  some of his systems are copied by nba teams.. get obradovic.. let him bring 2 3 euro guys as bench players.. misic calathes papapetrou etc.. bring a pg like ball.. he will dominate.. he is a true coach

You said it yourself: ''not going to happen''. Can you imagine Obradovic constantly yelling on the sideline cause (let's say) Tatum made a bad decision out of the PnR / he didn't switch on defense / he didn't make the extra pass / you name it? The players would run him out of Boston in no time. I bet he'd be a terrific coach at the college level, but obviously why would he bother?







Fwiw, I could see Saras coaching in the NBA in a few years.

If a player can't take it then that's on them, I would love this lad coaching in the NBA. Imagine him taking a team stacked with the VanVleets/Brookses/Covingtons/Harrises/Capelas of the world supporting a couple of no-nonsense stars like Lowry/Butler/Jaylen/Draymond/Gobert to title contention!

[Somebody]

I’m a Panathinaikos fan. Zots literally coached that team to some of the greatest moments in in the franchise and made that team relevant in European basketball history.

I can certifiably tell you he is literally the worst type of coach for modern NBA players. He would literally chew these soft players out, they would resent him, and he’d get fired midway through the season. Similar to David Blatt, their coaching style works in Europe. It will not work here. I say this and I love Obradovic.

Any chance that you can build a team with the few tough players left in the modern NBA around him (and maybe he can bring some of his European players to help lol)?

[Jvalin]

That dude looks like a straight up nut bag...

That dude may be the best X's and O's coach in the world. He runs a PnR-heavy offense and focuses on moving the ball and taking advantage of mismatches. He's a very demanding coach. He seeks perfection from his players. I would argue he's the Greg Popovich of european basketball. Here's a video of Pop talking about Obradovic and admitting of stealing plays from him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY12cFjrHjU

And here's another video of Obradovic yelling at his players, including former Celtic Gigi Datome. No way he could do these things in the NBA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmoorYN8gvY

''F*** YOU EVERYBODY! (...) F*** YOU GIGI DATOME! OK? SHAME ON YOU!''

Fwiw, he's out of contract since last year. Wanted to take a year off from coaching.

[Somebody]

That dude looks like a straight up nut bag...

That dude may be the best X's and O's coach in the world. He runs a PnR-heavy offense and focuses on moving the ball and taking advantage of mismatches. He's a very demanding coach. He seeks perfection from his players. I would argue he's the Greg Popovich of european basketball. Here's a video of Pop talking about Obradovic and admitting of stealing plays from him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY12cFjrHjU

And here's another video of Obradovic yelling at his players, including former Celtic Gigi Datome. No way he could do these things in the NBA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmoorYN8gvY

''F*** YOU EVERYBODY! (...) F*** YOU GIGI DATOME! OK? SHAME ON YOU!''

Fwiw, he's out of contract since last year. Wanted to take a year off from coaching.

**** I want him. He seems like a type of guy who can make replacement level players play like a decent NBA team, a decent squad play like a good one and a good squad play like a fringe title contender. Imagine the trophies we'd win if our lads can accept his man management

[Kernewek]

That dude looks like a straight up nut bag...

That dude may be the best X's and O's coach in the world. He runs a PnR-heavy offense and focuses on moving the ball and taking advantage of mismatches. He's a very demanding coach. He seeks perfection from his players. I would argue he's the Greg Popovich of european basketball. Here's a video of Pop talking about Obradovic and admitting of stealing plays from him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY12cFjrHjU

And here's another video of Obradovic yelling at his players, including former Celtic Gigi Datome. No way he could do these things in the NBA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmoorYN8gvY

''F*** YOU EVERYBODY! (...) F*** YOU GIGI DATOME! OK? SHAME ON YOU!''

Fwiw, he's out of contract since last year. Wanted to take a year off from coaching.

**** I want him. He seems like a type of guy who can make replacement level players play like a decent NBA team, a decent squad play like a good one and a good squad play like a fringe title contender. Imagine the trophies we'd win if our lads can accept his man management

That description more or less sums up Brad Stevens' head coaching career to date.

Not to take anything away from Obradovic. He's more or less the Phil Jackson of Europe (meant as a compliment) when it comes to success.

However,  I'm not sure he would run a similar system if he moved to the NBA, even before you get to his player management. I know people miss having a head coach who shouts, but surely you can fill that void shouting at the television from your couch?

[Birdman]

He wouldn’t last long..players has more power than coaches

[Jvalin]

That dude looks like a straight up nut bag...

That dude may be the best X's and O's coach in the world. He runs a PnR-heavy offense and focuses on moving the ball and taking advantage of mismatches. He's a very demanding coach. He seeks perfection from his players. I would argue he's the Greg Popovich of european basketball. Here's a video of Pop talking about Obradovic and admitting of stealing plays from him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY12cFjrHjU

And here's another video of Obradovic yelling at his players, including former Celtic Gigi Datome. No way he could do these things in the NBA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmoorYN8gvY

''F*** YOU EVERYBODY! (...) F*** YOU GIGI DATOME! OK? SHAME ON YOU!''

Fwiw, he's out of contract since last year. Wanted to take a year off from coaching.

**** I want him. He seems like a type of guy who can make replacement level players play like a decent NBA team, a decent squad play like a good one and a good squad play like a fringe title contender. Imagine the trophies we'd win if our lads can accept his man management

That description more or less sums up Brad Stevens' head coaching career to date.

Not to take anything away from Obradovic. He's more or less the Phil Jackson of Europe (meant as a compliment) when it comes to success.

However,  I'm not sure he would run a similar system if he moved to the NBA, even before you get to his player management. I know people miss having a head coach who shouts, but surely you can fill that void shouting at the television from your couch?

Agreed. They both want their teams to run a PnR-heavy offense. Difference is, CBS was usually relying on score-first ball handlers who were primarily looking to create their own shot out of the PnR. For instance: IT, Kyrie, Kemba, Tatum. Only exception was probably Hayward. Obradovic usually opts for pass-first oversized PnR ball handlers who excel at creating shots for their teammates. Personally speaking, I like Obradovic's vision better. His teams tend to have better ball movement, plus they are a bit more versatile defensively. CBS's teams were better suited in the open court. Obradovic's teams are better suited in the half court. Rule of thumb is that most playoff games are won in the half court.

[Kernewek]

Entirely agreed with your analysis, but if we extend it out a little bit I think there's still a couple of issues here (if we assume my presumptions below are true) if we sign Željko.

Presumption 1: Most likely we're going to have to field a pretty similar roster.
Presumption 2: This C's roster doesn't look like the best team to run his preferred way of playing basketball.

1) The roster is largely out of his control in a way that it won't have been with Fenerbahçe (Euro teams tend to rebuild much more year on year than NBA teams do), so really we have to see how much of the roster is an Ainge creation and how much input Stevens actually had. 

If your coach has a system that works well with a certain type of player and your organisation doesn't manage to stock your roster with those kind of players, it can be a hard road. Looking at the roster now, it doesn't look like the best team to hand over to a guy who wants to play in a particular way.

2) The style of play in the NBA is more open, generally. the closest Int'l league is probably the CBA.

Secondly, the talent disparity in the NBA is also more on display. All of these guys are world-class basketball players.

Off the top of my head, the best guys that Željko has coached are... Bojan & Bogdan Bogdanovic, Jason Thompson, Nemanja Bjelica, and Ekpe Udoh? Systems work better at lower levels of competition (see the NCAA), and they don't always translate when you have to play against the absolute best in the world.

Now, having said all of that, the style of play is absolutely gorgeous and I would be thrilled if we managed to land him. I just think it might be a bumpy road

[coco]

He wouldn’t last long..players has more power than coaches

This is true.

Has bit SVG in him….

[Jvalin]

Entirely agreed with your analysis, but if we extend it out a little bit I think there's still a couple of issues here (if we assume my presumptions below are true) if we sign Željko.

Presumption 1: Most likely we're going to have to field a pretty similar roster.
Presumption 2: This C's roster doesn't look like the best team to run his preferred way of playing basketball.

1) The roster is largely out of his control in a way that it won't have been with Fenerbahçe (Euro teams tend to rebuild much more year on year than NBA teams do), so really we have to see how much of the roster is an Ainge creation and how much input Stevens actually had. 

If your coach has a system that works well with a certain type of player and your organisation doesn't manage to stock your roster with those kind of players, it can be a hard road. Looking at the roster now, it doesn't look like the best team to hand over to a guy who wants to play in a particular way.

2) The style of play in the NBA is more open, generally. the closest Int'l league is probably the CBA.

Secondly, the talent disparity in the NBA is also more on display. All of these guys are world-class basketball players.

Off the top of my head, the best guys that Željko has coached are... Bojan & Bogdan Bogdanovic, Jason Thompson, Nemanja Bjelica, and Ekpe Udoh? Systems work better at lower levels of competition (see the NCAA), and they don't always translate when you have to play against the absolute best in the world.

Now, having said all of that, the style of play is absolutely gorgeous and I would be thrilled if we managed to land him. I just think it might be a bumpy road

Obviously, we'd have to dump Kemba. Easier said than done, but it ain't impossible either. According to rumors, we are trying to dump him anyway. For instance, let's say we do the following trade.



Satoransky would be a great fit in Obradovic's system. Don't think he'd love Jaylen's offensive game, but he'd probably find a way to maximize his impact on both sides of the ball.

Imo, the best player he has ever coached is Arvydas Sabonis. It ain't even close. They worked together in 1994/95. The following season Sabonis finally joined the Blazers. It goes without saying that they won the Euroleague that season. What an amazing player Sabas was! Talent-wise, imo the best european player of all time. Obradovic also coached plenty of elite players at the Euroleague level while at Panathinaikos. For instance, Diamantidis, Spanoulis, Jasikevicius and Batiste. Diamantidis and Batiste were possibly the most devastating PnR duo in Euroleague history. Sort of like Stockton and Malone in the NBA, except they enjoyed huge success as well winning 3 Euroleague titles. Everbody knew what they would do, yet nobody could stop them. Fwiw, Batiste is working as an assistant for the Magic nowadays.

Anyway, I really don't expect us to hire Zeljko. 

[Somebody]

That dude looks like a straight up nut bag...

That dude may be the best X's and O's coach in the world. He runs a PnR-heavy offense and focuses on moving the ball and taking advantage of mismatches. He's a very demanding coach. He seeks perfection from his players. I would argue he's the Greg Popovich of european basketball. Here's a video of Pop talking about Obradovic and admitting of stealing plays from him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY12cFjrHjU

And here's another video of Obradovic yelling at his players, including former Celtic Gigi Datome. No way he could do these things in the NBA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmoorYN8gvY

''F*** YOU EVERYBODY! (...) F*** YOU GIGI DATOME! OK? SHAME ON YOU!''

Fwiw, he's out of contract since last year. Wanted to take a year off from coaching.

**** I want him. He seems like a type of guy who can make replacement level players play like a decent NBA team, a decent squad play like a good one and a good squad play like a fringe title contender. Imagine the trophies we'd win if our lads can accept his man management

That description more or less sums up Brad Stevens' head coaching career to date.

Not to take anything away from Obradovic. He's more or less the Phil Jackson of Europe (meant as a compliment) when it comes to success.

However,  I'm not sure he would run a similar system if he moved to the NBA, even before you get to his player management. I know people miss having a head coach who shouts, but surely you can fill that void shouting at the television from your couch?

And we want the Brad Stevenses of the world, people were calling for him to get sacked because he declined as a coach this year (he even said that he lost his drive in the bubble). If this lad can bring us that but with even better X's and O's, we should be all over him.

[Somebody]

That dude looks like a straight up nut bag...

That dude may be the best X's and O's coach in the world. He runs a PnR-heavy offense and focuses on moving the ball and taking advantage of mismatches. He's a very demanding coach. He seeks perfection from his players. I would argue he's the Greg Popovich of european basketball. Here's a video of Pop talking about Obradovic and admitting of stealing plays from him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY12cFjrHjU

And here's another video of Obradovic yelling at his players, including former Celtic Gigi Datome. No way he could do these things in the NBA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmoorYN8gvY

''F*** YOU EVERYBODY! (...) F*** YOU GIGI DATOME! OK? SHAME ON YOU!''

Fwiw, he's out of contract since last year. Wanted to take a year off from coaching.

**** I want him. He seems like a type of guy who can make replacement level players play like a decent NBA team, a decent squad play like a good one and a good squad play like a fringe title contender. Imagine the trophies we'd win if our lads can accept his man management

That description more or less sums up Brad Stevens' head coaching career to date.

Not to take anything away from Obradovic. He's more or less the Phil Jackson of Europe (meant as a compliment) when it comes to success.

However,  I'm not sure he would run a similar system if he moved to the NBA, even before you get to his player management. I know people miss having a head coach who shouts, but surely you can fill that void shouting at the television from your couch?

Agreed. They both want their teams to run a PnR-heavy offense. Difference is, CBS was usually relying on score-first ball handlers who were primarily looking to create their own shot out of the PnR. For instance: IT, Kyrie, Kemba, Tatum. Only exception was probably Hayward. Obradovic usually opts for pass-first oversized PnR ball handlers who excel at creating shots for their teammates. Personally speaking, I like Obradovic's vision better. His teams tend to have better ball movement, plus they are a bit more versatile defensively. CBS's teams were better suited in the open court. Obradovic's teams are better suited in the half court. Rule of thumb is that most playoff games are won in the half court.

Any chance he'd use Jaylen in that role? Jaylen is definitely not an excellent shot creator for his teammates yet, but he has the tools to become one.

Edit: Nvm just read your comment above. I'd be thrilled if he found a way to maximise Jaylen's skillset on both ends of the court even if he doesn't love Jaylen's game. This is what great coaches do - still find a way to get the most out of a player even if he isn't your ideal player in the position.

[Kernewek]

Entirely agreed with your analysis, but if we extend it out a little bit I think there's still a couple of issues here (if we assume my presumptions below are true) if we sign Željko.

Presumption 1: Most likely we're going to have to field a pretty similar roster.
Presumption 2: This C's roster doesn't look like the best team to run his preferred way of playing basketball.

1) The roster is largely out of his control in a way that it won't have been with Fenerbahçe (Euro teams tend to rebuild much more year on year than NBA teams do), so really we have to see how much of the roster is an Ainge creation and how much input Stevens actually had. 

If your coach has a system that works well with a certain type of player and your organisation doesn't manage to stock your roster with those kind of players, it can be a hard road. Looking at the roster now, it doesn't look like the best team to hand over to a guy who wants to play in a particular way.

2) The style of play in the NBA is more open, generally. the closest Int'l league is probably the CBA.

Secondly, the talent disparity in the NBA is also more on display. All of these guys are world-class basketball players.

Off the top of my head, the best guys that Željko has coached are... Bojan & Bogdan Bogdanovic, Jason Thompson, Nemanja Bjelica, and Ekpe Udoh? Systems work better at lower levels of competition (see the NCAA), and they don't always translate when you have to play against the absolute best in the world.

Now, having said all of that, the style of play is absolutely gorgeous and I would be thrilled if we managed to land him. I just think it might be a bumpy road

Obviously, we'd have to dump Kemba. Easier said than done, but it ain't impossible either. According to rumors, we are trying to dump him anyway. For instance, let's say we do the following trade.



Satoransky would be a great fit in Obradovic's system. Don't think he'd love Jaylen's offensive game, but he'd probably find a way to maximize his impact on both sides of the ball.

Imo, the best player he has ever coached is Arvydas Sabonis. It ain't even close. They worked together in 1994/95. The following season Sabonis finally joined the Blazers. It goes without saying that they won the Euroleague that season. What an amazing player Sabas was! Talent-wise, imo the best european player of all time. Obradovic also coached plenty of elite players at the Euroleague level while at Panathinaikos. For instance, Diamantidis, Spanoulis, Jasikevicius and Batiste. Diamantidis and Batiste were possibly the most devastating PnR duo in Euroleague history. Sort of like Stockton and Malone in the NBA, except they enjoyed huge success as well winning 3 Euroleague titles. Everbody knew what they would do, yet nobody could stop them. Fwiw, Batiste is working as an assistant for the Magic nowadays.

Anyway, I really don't expect us to hire Zeljko. 

Oh for sure, Sabonis is a given -- I'm thinking less historical, and more players who have played in the modern NBA. To mix a couple of classics together, Michael Jordan in his prime wouldn't walk through that door if you hired Phil Jackson tomorrow.

I actually love that trade (much as I enjoy Kemba's play when he's healthy) but I'd be very surprised if Chicago went to it. And, like you, I don't expect us to get Željko.

Fun discussion though! TP for you

[Kernewek]

That dude looks like a straight up nut bag...

That dude may be the best X's and O's coach in the world. He runs a PnR-heavy offense and focuses on moving the ball and taking advantage of mismatches. He's a very demanding coach. He seeks perfection from his players. I would argue he's the Greg Popovich of european basketball. Here's a video of Pop talking about Obradovic and admitting of stealing plays from him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY12cFjrHjU

And here's another video of Obradovic yelling at his players, including former Celtic Gigi Datome. No way he could do these things in the NBA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmoorYN8gvY

''F*** YOU EVERYBODY! (...) F*** YOU GIGI DATOME! OK? SHAME ON YOU!''

Fwiw, he's out of contract since last year. Wanted to take a year off from coaching.

**** I want him. He seems like a type of guy who can make replacement level players play like a decent NBA team, a decent squad play like a good one and a good squad play like a fringe title contender. Imagine the trophies we'd win if our lads can accept his man management

That description more or less sums up Brad Stevens' head coaching career to date.

Not to take anything away from Obradovic. He's more or less the Phil Jackson of Europe (meant as a compliment) when it comes to success.

However,  I'm not sure he would run a similar system if he moved to the NBA, even before you get to his player management. I know people miss having a head coach who shouts, but surely you can fill that void shouting at the television from your couch?

And we want the Brad Stevenses of the world, people were calling for him to get sacked because he declined as a coach this year (he even said that he lost his drive in the bubble). If this lad can bring us that but with even better X's and O's, we should be all over him.

Did you lose a bet or is it a personal mission to misuse 'lad' in as many ways as possible? 

Or are you just hankering for a big bag of cans now that it's summer?

[Somebody]

That dude looks like a straight up nut bag...

That dude may be the best X's and O's coach in the world. He runs a PnR-heavy offense and focuses on moving the ball and taking advantage of mismatches. He's a very demanding coach. He seeks perfection from his players. I would argue he's the Greg Popovich of european basketball. Here's a video of Pop talking about Obradovic and admitting of stealing plays from him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY12cFjrHjU

And here's another video of Obradovic yelling at his players, including former Celtic Gigi Datome. No way he could do these things in the NBA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmoorYN8gvY

''F*** YOU EVERYBODY! (...) F*** YOU GIGI DATOME! OK? SHAME ON YOU!''

Fwiw, he's out of contract since last year. Wanted to take a year off from coaching.

**** I want him. He seems like a type of guy who can make replacement level players play like a decent NBA team, a decent squad play like a good one and a good squad play like a fringe title contender. Imagine the trophies we'd win if our lads can accept his man management

That description more or less sums up Brad Stevens' head coaching career to date.

Not to take anything away from Obradovic. He's more or less the Phil Jackson of Europe (meant as a compliment) when it comes to success.

However,  I'm not sure he would run a similar system if he moved to the NBA, even before you get to his player management. I know people miss having a head coach who shouts, but surely you can fill that void shouting at the television from your couch?

And we want the Brad Stevenses of the world, people were calling for him to get sacked because he declined as a coach this year (he even said that he lost his drive in the bubble). If this lad can bring us that but with even better X's and O's, we should be all over him.

Did you lose a bet or is it a personal mission to misuse 'lad' in as many ways as possible? 

Or are you just hankering for a big bag of cans now that it's summer?

Might be a personal mission to use 'lad' correctly

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/lad

Unfortunately COVID exists, no drinks with the lads this summer