after effects of Wyc and Ainge protecting Stevens but not the team..

[jambr380]

The Celtics could have won the title and Danny would have stepped down regardless. He's a tired man, I wouldn't read anything else into it.

As for Brad, this feels an awful lot like it was more about Wyc being cheap than anything. Brad was already owed a lot of money. What better way to save money than hire a guy you are already paying regardless. He'll get his shot, though, so I hope he comes through.

I don't get the idea that Wyc is cheap and that is the only reason Stevens was hired in his new role. Wouldn't Stevens have just declined and forced ownership into either firing him, or letting him continue to be coach? He literally had no reason to accept the new position if his job was in jeopardy, since he stands to get paid the same amount of money either way. I am not saying it's not a two birds with one stone situation, but just as a cost-saving measure, it's an awfully bizarre way to handle wanting to fire a coach.

[gouki88]

The Celtics could have won the title and Danny would have stepped down regardless. He's a tired man, I wouldn't read anything else into it.

As for Brad, this feels an awful lot like it was more about Wyc being cheap than anything. Brad was already owed a lot of money. What better way to save money than hire a guy you are already paying regardless. He'll get his shot, though, so I hope he comes through.

Wyc alone has got hundreds of millions of dollars, I'm really not sure that this idea makes sense

[nickagneta]

The Celtics could have won the title and Danny would have stepped down regardless. He's a tired man, I wouldn't read anything else into it.

As for Brad, this feels an awful lot like it was more about Wyc being cheap than anything. Brad was already owed a lot of money. What better way to save money than hire a guy you are already paying regardless. He'll get his shot, though, so I hope he comes through.

The team averaging $90 million in revenue profit and who's franchise value increases at well over $100 million a year on average wants to save $4-5 million a year for a few years and make the guy who, in your opinion, they should be firing the guy running the entire show?

There isn't a large corporation in the world that would do something so dumb. Basically Wyc would be saying something like this as a comparison:

"Hey, you're a high level accountant in my firm and I don't think you are doing a good job and need to be replaced, but by firing you I might be sacrificing a 1-2% increase in my bottom line, so instead of firing you, I am going to promote you several rungs up the corporate ladder and make you the Chief Financial Officer of the firm and let you run the company."

That makes no sense in any business world. Wyc and his partners aren't idiots. This simply is not what is happening here.

[Roy H.]

The Celtics could have won the title and Danny would have stepped down regardless. He's a tired man, I wouldn't read anything else into it.

As for Brad, this feels an awful lot like it was more about Wyc being cheap than anything. Brad was already owed a lot of money. What better way to save money than hire a guy you are already paying regardless. He'll get his shot, though, so I hope he comes through.

Wyc alone has got hundreds of millions of dollars, I'm really not sure that this idea makes sense

That doesn’t mean he wants to spend money.  Teams bend over backwards not to pay luxury tax. 

Since Wyc took over the team, the Celts have paid approximately $51 million in luxury tax, over 20 seasons.  On average, $2.5 million per year.  This, for a team that has appreciated $2 billion, and which has recently been bringing in $90 million per year in profits.

Wyc is a venture capitalist.  He’s very conscious of every Penny he spends.  Brad’s $30 million is a huge amount of money.

[jambr380]

The Celtics could have won the title and Danny would have stepped down regardless. He's a tired man, I wouldn't read anything else into it.

As for Brad, this feels an awful lot like it was more about Wyc being cheap than anything. Brad was already owed a lot of money. What better way to save money than hire a guy you are already paying regardless. He'll get his shot, though, so I hope he comes through.

Wyc alone has got hundreds of millions of dollars, I'm really not sure that this idea makes sense

That doesn’t mean he wants to spend money.  Teams bend over backwards not to pay luxury tax. 

Since Wyc took over the team, the Celts have paid approximately $51 million in luxury tax, over 20 seasons.  On average, $2.5 million per year.  This, for a team that has appreciated $2 billion, and which has recently been bringing in $90 million per year in profits.

Wyc is a venture capitalist.  He’s very conscious of every Penny he spends.  Brad’s $30 million is a huge amount of money.

But - I'll ask again - if this is true, why didn't Brad just decline the job and make them fire him? Why would he choose to essentially work for free if the alternative was getting canned and collecting most of that $30M? Brad is a smart guy - I don't think he got tricked into accepting a different position in the company. I believe this was more or less a mutual decision, but that Brad would definitely be coaching the Cs next season if he wasn't actually interested in the job.

[KGs Knee]

It's interesting we're pretending Wyc can just hire a GM worth their salt and that person wouldn't want control over who the coach is. That's not how this works.

I doubt Wyc wanted to fire Brad. But his new GM might want to. And Brad admitted he's burnt out from coaching. Wyc just killed two birds with one stone and gave himself time to see if the guy he already owes money to maybe is a good GM. He had the choice of paying two people or possibly three. For a guy who has proven making money matters more to him than winning it isn't a surprise.

[Roy H.]

The Celtics could have won the title and Danny would have stepped down regardless. He's a tired man, I wouldn't read anything else into it.

As for Brad, this feels an awful lot like it was more about Wyc being cheap than anything. Brad was already owed a lot of money. What better way to save money than hire a guy you are already paying regardless. He'll get his shot, though, so I hope he comes through.

Wyc alone has got hundreds of millions of dollars, I'm really not sure that this idea makes sense

That doesn’t mean he wants to spend money.  Teams bend over backwards not to pay luxury tax. 

Since Wyc took over the team, the Celts have paid approximately $51 million in luxury tax, over 20 seasons.  On average, $2.5 million per year.  This, for a team that has appreciated $2 billion, and which has recently been bringing in $90 million per year in profits.

Wyc is a venture capitalist.  He’s very conscious of every Penny he spends.  Brad’s $30 million is a huge amount of money.

But - I'll ask again - if this is true, why didn't Brad just decline the job and make them fire him? Why would he choose to essentially work for free if the alternative was getting canned and collecting most of that $30M? Brad is a smart guy - I don't think he got tricked into accepting a different position in the company. I believe this was more or less a mutual decision, but that Brad would definitely be coaching the Cs next season if he wasn't actually interested in the job.

I'm sure Brad is interested in the job.  He's getting a cushier position with less day-to-day stress, less travel, and more flexibility and the same or more money.  He doesn't have to relocate.  And, if the "burnt out" reports are true, it's yet another reason to accept a promotion.

The question is, why is Wyc so interested in Brad that he's not even going to interview other candidates?  That, I think, is where the money issue most likely comes in.

[footey]

The Celtics could have won the title and Danny would have stepped down regardless. He's a tired man, I wouldn't read anything else into it.

As for Brad, this feels an awful lot like it was more about Wyc being cheap than anything. Brad was already owed a lot of money. What better way to save money than hire a guy you are already paying regardless. He'll get his shot, though, so I hope he comes through.

Wyc alone has got hundreds of millions of dollars, I'm really not sure that this idea makes sense

That doesn’t mean he wants to spend money.  Teams bend over backwards not to pay luxury tax. 

Since Wyc took over the team, the Celts have paid approximately $51 million in luxury tax, over 20 seasons.  On average, $2.5 million per year.  This, for a team that has appreciated $2 billion, and which has recently been bringing in $90 million per year in profits.

Wyc is a venture capitalist.  He’s very conscious of every Penny he spends.  Brad’s $30 million is a huge amount of money.

But - I'll ask again - if this is true, why didn't Brad just decline the job and make them fire him? Why would he choose to essentially work for free if the alternative was getting canned and collecting most of that $30M? Brad is a smart guy - I don't think he got tricked into accepting a different position in the company. I believe this was more or less a mutual decision, but that Brad would definitely be coaching the Cs next season if he wasn't actually interested in the job.

I'm sure Brad is interested in the job.  He's getting a cushier position with less day-to-day stress, less travel, and more flexibility and the same or more money.  He doesn't have to relocate.  And, if the "burnt out" reports are true, it's yet another reason to accept a promotion.

The question is, why is Wyc so interested in Brad that he's not even going to interview other candidates?  That, I think, is where the money issue most likely comes in.

I think the cost of Brad’s contract being a factor in Wyc’s decision making is exaggerated. Brad would get a new job coaching within 5 minutes which would significantly mitigate the financial risk to Wyc.

[Roy H.]

The Celtics could have won the title and Danny would have stepped down regardless. He's a tired man, I wouldn't read anything else into it.

As for Brad, this feels an awful lot like it was more about Wyc being cheap than anything. Brad was already owed a lot of money. What better way to save money than hire a guy you are already paying regardless. He'll get his shot, though, so I hope he comes through.

Wyc alone has got hundreds of millions of dollars, I'm really not sure that this idea makes sense

That doesn’t mean he wants to spend money.  Teams bend over backwards not to pay luxury tax. 

Since Wyc took over the team, the Celts have paid approximately $51 million in luxury tax, over 20 seasons.  On average, $2.5 million per year.  This, for a team that has appreciated $2 billion, and which has recently been bringing in $90 million per year in profits.

Wyc is a venture capitalist.  He’s very conscious of every Penny he spends.  Brad’s $30 million is a huge amount of money.

But - I'll ask again - if this is true, why didn't Brad just decline the job and make them fire him? Why would he choose to essentially work for free if the alternative was getting canned and collecting most of that $30M? Brad is a smart guy - I don't think he got tricked into accepting a different position in the company. I believe this was more or less a mutual decision, but that Brad would definitely be coaching the Cs next season if he wasn't actually interested in the job.

I'm sure Brad is interested in the job.  He's getting a cushier position with less day-to-day stress, less travel, and more flexibility and the same or more money.  He doesn't have to relocate.  And, if the "burnt out" reports are true, it's yet another reason to accept a promotion.

The question is, why is Wyc so interested in Brad that he's not even going to interview other candidates?  That, I think, is where the money issue most likely comes in.

I think the cost of Brad’s contract being a factor in Wyc’s decision making is exaggerated. Brad would get a new job coaching within 5 minutes which would significantly mitigate the financial risk to Wyc.

Perhaps, perhaps not.  Brad could easily decide to take a year off from coaching, for instance.  And, a lot of coaching contracts have a "no duty to mitigate" clause.

https://scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1599&context=sportslaw

[ozgod]

There were several inflection points where the roster might not have felt supported

What does this even mean?  It’s weasel language that doesn’t report anything.

That’s one of my pet peeves with “reporting” these days.  Lots of sound and fury that signifies nothing.

Isn't Weiss (athletic) source pretty good usually?

I can’t remember any of his sources breaking anything. He is usually pretty good just at reporting “on record” stuff.

But take that sentence as written. It doesn’t say anything. The team might not have felt supported. Or, the team might have felt supported.

It sounds like it's written for Twitter.

As for Weiss, I like how he breaks down Xs and Os in his articles but I agree I don't think he's all that plugged in to the team.

[ozgod]

The Celtics could have won the title and Danny would have stepped down regardless. He's a tired man, I wouldn't read anything else into it.

As for Brad, this feels an awful lot like it was more about Wyc being cheap than anything. Brad was already owed a lot of money. What better way to save money than hire a guy you are already paying regardless. He'll get his shot, though, so I hope he comes through.

The team averaging $90 million in revenue profit and who's franchise value increases at well over $100 million a year on average wants to save $4-5 million a year for a few years and make the guy who, in your opinion, they should be firing the guy running the entire show?

There isn't a large corporation in the world that would do something so dumb. Basically Wyc would be saying something like this as a comparison:

"Hey, you're a high level accountant in my firm and I don't think you are doing a good job and need to be replaced, but by firing you I might be sacrificing a 1-2% increase in my bottom line, so instead of firing you, I am going to promote you several rungs up the corporate ladder and make you the Chief Financial Officer of the firm and let you run the company."

That makes no sense in any business world. Wyc and his partners aren't idiots. This simply is not what is happening here.

Well now that you put it that way... 

[tenn_smoothie]

LOL at the Athletic calling Wyc a governor. No, he's the owner.

Thank You. Us hillbillies from East Tennessee share common sense.

[Somebody]

The Celtics could have won the title and Danny would have stepped down regardless. He's a tired man, I wouldn't read anything else into it.

As for Brad, this feels an awful lot like it was more about Wyc being cheap than anything. Brad was already owed a lot of money. What better way to save money than hire a guy you are already paying regardless. He'll get his shot, though, so I hope he comes through.

Wyc alone has got hundreds of millions of dollars, I'm really not sure that this idea makes sense

That doesn’t mean he wants to spend money.  Teams bend over backwards not to pay luxury tax. 

Since Wyc took over the team, the Celts have paid approximately $51 million in luxury tax, over 20 seasons.  On average, $2.5 million per year.  This, for a team that has appreciated $2 billion, and which has recently been bringing in $90 million per year in profits.

Wyc is a venture capitalist.  He’s very conscious of every Penny he spends.  Brad’s $30 million is a huge amount of money.

But - I'll ask again - if this is true, why didn't Brad just decline the job and make them fire him? Why would he choose to essentially work for free if the alternative was getting canned and collecting most of that $30M? Brad is a smart guy - I don't think he got tricked into accepting a different position in the company. I believe this was more or less a mutual decision, but that Brad would definitely be coaching the Cs next season if he wasn't actually interested in the job.

I'm sure Brad is interested in the job.  He's getting a cushier position with less day-to-day stress, less travel, and more flexibility and the same or more money.  He doesn't have to relocate.  And, if the "burnt out" reports are true, it's yet another reason to accept a promotion.

The question is, why is Wyc so interested in Brad that he's not even going to interview other candidates?  That, I think, is where the money issue most likely comes in.

I think the cost of Brad’s contract being a factor in Wyc’s decision making is exaggerated. Brad would get a new job coaching within 5 minutes which would significantly mitigate the financial risk to Wyc.

Perhaps, perhaps not.  Brad could easily decide to take a year off from coaching, for instance.  And, a lot of coaching contracts have a "no duty to mitigate" clause.

https://scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1599&context=sportslaw

Ntm he'd probably get put on gardening leave for years if Wyc had a shred of intelligence when writing up the extension for Brad to sign last year. Brad can get another job, but he'll have to forgo the salary owed to him from the Celtics.

[tenn_smoothie]

Promoting Stevens to GM is such a bad idea all the way around.

It could be that ownership is our real problem.

[Somebody]

The Celtics could have won the title and Danny would have stepped down regardless. He's a tired man, I wouldn't read anything else into it.

As for Brad, this feels an awful lot like it was more about Wyc being cheap than anything. Brad was already owed a lot of money. What better way to save money than hire a guy you are already paying regardless. He'll get his shot, though, so I hope he comes through.

The team averaging $90 million in revenue profit and who's franchise value increases at well over $100 million a year on average wants to save $4-5 million a year for a few years and make the guy who, in your opinion, they should be firing the guy running the entire show?

There isn't a large corporation in the world that would do something so dumb. Basically Wyc would be saying something like this as a comparison:

"Hey, you're a high level accountant in my firm and I don't think you are doing a good job and need to be replaced, but by firing you I might be sacrificing a 1-2% increase in my bottom line, so instead of firing you, I am going to promote you several rungs up the corporate ladder and make you the Chief Financial Officer of the firm and let you run the company."

That makes no sense in any business world. Wyc and his partners aren't idiots. This simply is not what is happening here.

I'm pretty sure Brad is earning at least 8-10 million per year after signing his recent extension - that's the amount the top coaches earn nowadays. Also sporting clubs in a closed league are very different from an accounting firm that is dependent on the performance on its employees to earn profits every year: the Celtics won't go bust or suffer a huge decline in profits even if things go south, most of the money they earn comes from matchday (I'm pretty sure the stadium will be packed even if the Celtics are tanking) and broadcasting revenue that are pretty much guaranteed in the CBA for big clubs like the Celtics.

Considering that we'd probably still make the playoffs every year with the Jays carrying us + Brad hasn't been coaching us all that well recently, our revenues will likely stay around the same as long as Wyc keeps an eye on Brad's roster moves (he's shown some sense in trades, eg. the Nets fleece back in '13) and hires a cheaper coach who's either better or just as mediocre as '21 Brad to ensure that we don't lose out much on the incentives we've been getting in the past few years. We haven't even considered the cost implications of Ainge's departure yet (the likes of Riley and Ujiri are earning well over 10 million per year), so we could be potentially earning 10-20 million in cost savings just from this managerial shuffle alone. That's a considerable chunk of the ~90 million we've been earning recently.

FWIW I think that Wyc does believe that Brad can be a good FO executive. I just also happen to believe that the potential cost savings didn't hurt when Wyc was mulling over the decision.