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Re: Danny Stepping Down / Brad To Lead Front Office / New Coach
« Reply #300 on: June 02, 2021, 09:37:48 PM »

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Crazy news to come home to.  Hate to sound negative but this seems to be a terrible move by the C's.  I imagine Ainge will be available as counsel to help Brad grow into the job, but I just don't trust Brad to make the right decisions.  Not at all.

Re: Danny Stepping Down / Brad To Lead Front Office / New Coach
« Reply #301 on: June 02, 2021, 09:43:29 PM »

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If you ask a guy to be the chef, you should let him buy the groceries!

This is the best thing we could do other than bring in Ujiri, who’s likely committed to Toronto. Brad is a basketball genius in complete control that everyone will now respect (or find themselves traded). I suspect the next move is getting a great player in return for Brown. Make no doubt about it: Whether Stevens steps aside as coach or not, he’s still the coach and the GM. 

The next brilliant move that is really a no-brainer: Popovich or Coach K as HC for the next 1-3 years before Stevens takes over again.
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Re: Woj: Danny Stepping Down, Brad To Lead Front Office
« Reply #302 on: June 02, 2021, 09:57:10 PM »

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The "what happens if the players don't like being told what to do by a woman?" thing is the same type of argument that's been used to deny women leadership positions from time immemorial.

It's not a good look.

Good look or not, it's the reality.

As much as some of these NBA guys run off at the mouth about equality and opportunity, at heart most would not completely respect a woman as their head coach.

It's also a bad idea to hire your coach based on being progressive looking and stylish.
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Re: Woj: Danny Stepping Down, Brad To Lead Front Office
« Reply #303 on: June 02, 2021, 10:19:04 PM »

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The "what happens if the players don't like being told what to do by a woman?" thing is the same type of argument that's been used to deny women leadership positions from time immemorial.

It's not a good look.

Good look or not, it's the reality.

As much as some of these NBA guys run off at the mouth about equality and opportunity, at heart most would not completely respect a woman as their head coach.

It's also a bad idea to hire your coach based on being progressive looking and stylish.
How do you have any idea? They fully respected Kara Lawson when she was an assistant here, the Spurs players rave about Hammon. You have no idea about what players think given you're nothing like them, and everything publicly said about these women has been respectful and full of admiration.
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SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Woj: Danny Stepping Down, Brad To Lead Front Office
« Reply #304 on: June 02, 2021, 10:25:24 PM »

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The "what happens if the players don't like being told what to do by a woman?" thing is the same type of argument that's been used to deny women leadership positions from time immemorial.

It's not a good look.

Good look or not, it's the reality.

As much as some of these NBA guys run off at the mouth about equality and opportunity, at heart most would not completely respect a woman as their head coach.

It's also a bad idea to hire your coach based on being progressive looking and stylish.
How do you have any idea? They fully respected Kara Lawson when she was an assistant here, the Spurs players rave about Hammon. You have no idea about what players think given you're nothing like them, and everything publicly said about these women has been respectful and full of admiration.

You just said it, these women were assistants, not the head coach. Huge difference.

Nothing like them ? Who do you think you're talking to Gouk ?
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Re: Woj: Danny Stepping Down, Brad To Lead Front Office
« Reply #305 on: June 02, 2021, 10:27:05 PM »

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The "what happens if the players don't like being told what to do by a woman?" thing is the same type of argument that's been used to deny women leadership positions from time immemorial.

It's not a good look.

Good look or not, it's the reality.

As much as some of these NBA guys run off at the mouth about equality and opportunity, at heart most would not completely respect a woman as their head coach.

It's also a bad idea to hire your coach based on being progressive looking and stylish.
How do you have any idea? They fully respected Kara Lawson when she was an assistant here, the Spurs players rave about Hammon. You have no idea about what players think given you're nothing like them, and everything publicly said about these women has been respectful and full of admiration.

You just said it, these women were assistants, not the head coach. Huge difference.
But there's absolutely nothing to support your out-there claim that " most would not completely respect a woman as their head coach." Absolutely nothing
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Danny Stepping Down / Brad To Lead Front Office / New Coach
« Reply #306 on: June 02, 2021, 10:32:16 PM »

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Makes perfect sense to give the keys to the roster construction kingdom to a guy who had no feel for the game. Feels like the next HC has already been set up to fail.

Stevens and Ainge both needed to exit.
I feel like this might be a tad harsh. Stevens was very limited in the last 18 months by roster construction, but before then we were all raving about him. "No feel for the game" seems wrong, he might just be better served in the front office. I don't think Zarren would have been overlooked if ownership wasn't confident in Brad

It may be harsh but we cannot deny given the players appeared to tune out to Stevens on court, what makes anyone think he's going to be effective in the front office when he's in charge of it all? I have no faith in Brad Stevens as GM however, if this is the card we are dealt, I hope to be proven wrong.

Re: Danny Stepping Down / Brad To Lead Front Office / New Coach
« Reply #307 on: June 02, 2021, 10:36:32 PM »

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Makes perfect sense to give the keys to the roster construction kingdom to a guy who had no feel for the game. Feels like the next HC has already been set up to fail.

Stevens and Ainge both needed to exit.
I feel like this might be a tad harsh. Stevens was very limited in the last 18 months by roster construction, but before then we were all raving about him. "No feel for the game" seems wrong, he might just be better served in the front office. I don't think Zarren would have been overlooked if ownership wasn't confident in Brad

It may be harsh but we cannot deny given the players appeared to tune out to Stevens on court, what makes anyone think he's going to be effective in the front office when he's in charge of it all? I have no faith in Brad Stevens as GM however, if this is the card we are dealt, I hope to be proven wrong.
Maybe so, but I feel like Stevens apparently burning out with his coaching may have contributed to this too. Maybe the players could sense something was up?

I do share some of the apprehension though. This is a pretty radical change to the make-up of our team
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Woj: Danny Stepping Down, Brad To Lead Front Office
« Reply #308 on: June 02, 2021, 10:36:58 PM »

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The "what happens if the players don't like being told what to do by a woman?" thing is the same type of argument that's been used to deny women leadership positions from time immemorial.

It's not a good look.

Good look or not, it's the reality.

As much as some of these NBA guys run off at the mouth about equality and opportunity, at heart most would not completely respect a woman as their head coach.

It's also a bad idea to hire your coach based on being progressive looking and stylish.
How do you have any idea? They fully respected Kara Lawson when she was an assistant here, the Spurs players rave about Hammon. You have no idea about what players think given you're nothing like them, and everything publicly said about these women has been respectful and full of admiration.

You just said it, these women were assistants, not the head coach. Huge difference.
But there's absolutely nothing to support your out-there claim that " most would not completely respect a woman as their head coach." Absolutely nothing

PhoSita was the one who brought up this possibilty, not me. So others see this as a possible problem.
Think about the slurs that many of these guys use with regularity, sexist slurs, homophobic slurs. Ever listen to the rap that these guys love? It's full of complete disrespect for women. You're in fantasy land, as usual.
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Re: Woj: Danny Stepping Down, Brad To Lead Front Office
« Reply #309 on: June 02, 2021, 10:38:00 PM »

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The "what happens if the players don't like being told what to do by a woman?" thing is the same type of argument that's been used to deny women leadership positions from time immemorial.

It's not a good look.

Good look or not, it's the reality.

As much as some of these NBA guys run off at the mouth about equality and opportunity, at heart most would not completely respect a woman as their head coach.

It's also a bad idea to hire your coach based on being progressive looking and stylish.
How do you have any idea? They fully respected Kara Lawson when she was an assistant here, the Spurs players rave about Hammon. You have no idea about what players think given you're nothing like them, and everything publicly said about these women has been respectful and full of admiration.

You just said it, these women were assistants, not the head coach. Huge difference.
But there's absolutely nothing to support your out-there claim that " most would not completely respect a woman as their head coach." Absolutely nothing

PhoSita was the one who brought up this possibilty, not me. So others see this as a possible problem.
Think about the slurs that many of these guys use with regularity, sexist slurs, homophobic slurs. Ever listen to the rap that these guys love? It's full of complete disregard for woman as equals. You're in fantasy land, as usual.
Ah, so this is just you shaking your fist at pop culture again? Got it
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Woj: Danny Stepping Down, Brad To Lead Front Office
« Reply #310 on: June 02, 2021, 10:39:50 PM »

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The "what happens if the players don't like being told what to do by a woman?" thing is the same type of argument that's been used to deny women leadership positions from time immemorial.

It's not a good look.

Good look or not, it's the reality.

As much as some of these NBA guys run off at the mouth about equality and opportunity, at heart most would not completely respect a woman as their head coach.

It's also a bad idea to hire your coach based on being progressive looking and stylish.
How do you have any idea? They fully respected Kara Lawson when she was an assistant here, the Spurs players rave about Hammon. You have no idea about what players think given you're nothing like them, and everything publicly said about these women has been respectful and full of admiration.

You just said it, these women were assistants, not the head coach. Huge difference.
But there's absolutely nothing to support your out-there claim that " most would not completely respect a woman as their head coach." Absolutely nothing

PhoSita was the one who brought up this possibilty, not me. So others see this as a possible problem.
Think about the slurs that many of these guys use with regularity, sexist slurs, homophobic slurs. Ever listen to the rap that these guys love? It's full of complete disregard for women as equals. You're in fantasy land, as usual.
Ah, so this is just you shaking your fist at pop culture again? Got it

This is just me telling the truth. Sorry it offends your fragile sensibilities.
I never said I thought it was right, just that it is reality.
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Re: Danny Stepping Down / Brad To Lead Front Office / New Coach
« Reply #311 on: June 02, 2021, 10:41:03 PM »

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Said this in the other topic but; this team is very outspoken about discrimination.

I'm sure they'll be fine and can relate.

In fact, it can be something to rally around rather than rally against.

Re: Woj: Danny Stepping Down, Brad To Lead Front Office
« Reply #312 on: June 02, 2021, 10:46:02 PM »

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The "what happens if the players don't like being told what to do by a woman?" thing is the same type of argument that's been used to deny women leadership positions from time immemorial.

It's not a good look.

Good look or not, it's the reality.

As much as some of these NBA guys run off at the mouth about equality and opportunity, at heart most would not completely respect a woman as their head coach.

It's also a bad idea to hire your coach based on being progressive looking and stylish.
How do you have any idea? They fully respected Kara Lawson when she was an assistant here, the Spurs players rave about Hammon. You have no idea about what players think given you're nothing like them, and everything publicly said about these women has been respectful and full of admiration.

You just said it, these women were assistants, not the head coach. Huge difference.
But there's absolutely nothing to support your out-there claim that " most would not completely respect a woman as their head coach." Absolutely nothing

PhoSita was the one who brought up this possibilty, not me. So others see this as a possible problem.
Think about the slurs that many of these guys use with regularity, sexist slurs, homophobic slurs. Ever listen to the rap that these guys love? It's full of complete disregard for women as equals. You're in fantasy land, as usual.
Ah, so this is just you shaking your fist at pop culture again? Got it

This is just me telling the truth. Sorry it offends your fragile sensibilities.
I never said I thought it was right, just that it is reality.
You can't comprehend a man respecting a woman yet I'm the one with fragile sensibilities? LOL.

Nothing is ever as funny as you thinking your opinion is the reality, all the time. Classic stuff
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Danny Stepping Down / Brad To Lead Front Office / New Coach
« Reply #313 on: June 02, 2021, 10:55:57 PM »

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Said this in the other topic but; this team is very outspoken about discrimination.

I'm sure they'll be fine and can relate.

In fact, it can be something to rally around rather than rally against.

Which is somewhat problematic because people enable their mammoth salaries as a means to escape the ills of the world not have their personal cause opinions thrust on them. Either way, I digress...

Re: Danny Stepping Down / Brad To Lead Front Office / New Coach
« Reply #314 on: June 02, 2021, 11:00:24 PM »

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Gouk,

"I never said I thought it was right, just that it is reality."

Guess you glossed over this comment I made.

Let's move on ...................
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