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Best Offseason Plan I can think of (Realistic)
« on: May 29, 2021, 04:08:33 PM »

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Right now im basking in the glory of the Celtics game 3 win, and one of the best playoff performances we've seen from an individual Celtics player ever...however, the dysfunction we witnessed all season long can not be ignored, and clearly the team is in dire need of a roster shake up.

Don't worry, im not going to float the idea of trading Tatum or Brown. The Celtics are fortunate enough to have two young all stars who have yet to reach their ceilings. I think breaking that kind of caliber duo up would be extremely short sighted and detrimental to the franchises future...but the surrounding talent needs a serious overhaul.

1. MOVE #1

Celtics trade: Kemba Walker, 2022 1st rounder (lottery protected)
Celtics get: Ricky Rubio, Thaddeus Young

Bulls trade: Thaddeus Young, Tomas Satoransky, Al Farouq-Aminu
Bulls get: Kemba Walker, Jake Layman

Wolves trade: Ricky Rubio, Jake Layman
Wolves get: Tomas Satoransky, Al Farouq-Aminu, Celtics protected 2022 1st rounder

The Celtics get a lot better defensively with this trade while unloading Kembas albatross of a contract. Rubio is better than people think, but unfortunately hasnt really been given the chance to showcase that since he's mostly found himself on pretty mediocre teams. I've always been a fan of his, along with Thad Young. And i think those two will be eager to prove they are worthy of at least one more NBA contract. If the Celtics are able to move Kemba, they should not expect prospects or picks in return. But being to unload that contract while picking up two solid vets on expirings would be a win in my mind.

Chicago gets a high level scorer while keeping their two All Stars and best young players. Minny gets a solid young point guard who they can look in to keeping long term, and a pick in exchange for Rubios expiring.

2. Move #2

Celtics get: Ivica Zubac, Pat Beverley, 25th pick
Clippers get: Marcus Smart, Tristan Thompson, Carsen Edwards

The Clippers backs are going to be against the wall when they (probably) fail to make the conference finals yet again with their loaded roster. While I think trading one of their two main guys is unlikely, they will need a shake up, something like this, to stay relevent and in contention in the brutal western conference. Many will hate to see Smart go in a trade, but not as much as they'd hate to see him leave for nothing as a free agent in the 2022 offseason. This way you get some value for him. Because of that, this is a trade I can easily see Danny making. Also, Danny, has always seemed to want to send guys who were loyal to the franchise and beloved by the fans (PP, KG, IT) to good playing situations where they can contend and play with other high caliber talent. Also, with wing acquisitions of Fournier, Nesmith, and Langford in the past year, Smarts departure seems more likely than ever. In return, Celtics get as servicable of a back up center as the league has to offer in Zubac (who will come in handy seeing as timelord is mostly made of glass), a defensive menace in Beverley, and a first rounder.

Move #3

BOS gets: Larry Nance Jr
CLE gets: TPE, 2021 1st (16th overall)

Yes, i believe the Celtics still have some of that TPE to use. Nance is a good target seeing as he's a mobile big who can pass and shoot and is on a reasonable contract. I think Nance is another guy, like Rubio, who is actually better than people think, and just needs to be in the right situation to prove it. He started out his career known primarily as a flashy dunker, but has really become someone you can rely on to bring energy consistently, make smart plays, and spread the floor a bit...Celtics really need all those things from a big. Nance can be like Theis 2.0.. Cleveland is in rebuild mode and gladly take the first rounder for Nance. I'm someone who has been adiment in the past about not giving up picks, but this yeard draft really has no one in the Celtics range i'd look twice at.

Move #4

Re-sign Evan Fournier. I don't think there's a lot of debate on this one. Fournier is in his prime and its hard to argue agaiunst him getting paid in the 15-18 mill per season range.

That leaves us with this roster...

PG: Ricky Rubio , Pat Beverley , Payton Pritchard
SG: Evan Fournier , Aaron Nesmith
SF: Jaylen Brown , Romeo Langford , Jabari Parker
PF: Jayson Tatum , Larry Nance Jr. , Thaddeus Young , Grant Williams
C: Robert Williams , Ivica Zubac , 25th pick

Better team than 20-21 in a alot of ways. Smothering defense at the PG postion all game long, more shooting, and just more depth overall. I don't think it can be overstated how valubale veterans like Beverley, Young, and Rubio can be to a young team like this. Those guys have made careers out of being gritty and playing with a lot of heart. We also keep all our young guys who've yet to peak, and also keep Fournier who i really like and who i think will benefit a lot from having a training camp with this team under his belt.

Re: Best Offseason Plan I can think of (Realistic)
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2021, 04:34:10 PM »

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#1 & 2 is us giving up the better package for inferior players.  no thanks.
--> on a side note, I wouldn't mind having Rubio and Thad (big Thad fan) but Kemba should be bringing back more than role players in a deal and it wouldn't include a first rounder going out either.
-->Smart >> Beverly and TT >> Zubac.  that 25th pick for Edwards doesn't begin to make up the difference for the C's with the drop in talent they'd be getting.

#3 - Not seeing the appeal for Cleveland.  Nance would help in the front court and is probably better than who we'd get at 16.  Biggest concern is the hit to the salary cap.

#4 - pretty much the plan when Danny acquired Fournier.  would make no sense to use th TPE and not resign him.

Re: Best Offseason Plan I can think of (Realistic)
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Re: Best Offseason Plan I can think of (Realistic)
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Re: Best Offseason Plan I can think of (Realistic)
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2021, 06:37:53 PM »

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I can't remember our TPE details but getting Nance for our 1st would be awesome. He can pass, shoot and defend at a high level at both forward positions.

I'd love to try and pry Jonas V and De'Anthony Melton away from Memphis somehow. Maybe send Kemba to New York, Toppin and a future New York 1st to Memphis, and a prospect + 1st to Memphis from us? That's my dream!

Line-up of:
Smart / Pritchard
Fournier / Melton
Brown / Nesmith
Tatum / Nance
Valanciunas / Williams

A man can dream...
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Best Offseason Plan I can think of (Realistic)
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2021, 07:06:36 PM »

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I can't remember our TPE details but getting Nance for our 1st would be awesome. He can pass, shoot and defend at a high level at both forward positions.

I'd love to try and pry Jonas V and De'Anthony Melton away from Memphis somehow. Maybe send Kemba to New York, Toppin and a future New York 1st to Memphis, and a prospect + 1st to Memphis from us? That's my dream!

Line-up of:
Smart / Pritchard
Fournier / Melton
Brown / Nesmith
Tatum / Nance
Valanciunas / Williams

A man can dream...
Our TPE is just enough to get Nance, which is what I've been pushing for recently. If we could trade #16 for Nance and get Plumlee from Detroit for TT and a 2nd or two I'd be delighted. Add a guy like Uncle Jeff via the taxpayer's MLE, re-sign Fournier and our roster will have no excuses to not make a deep playoff run barring injuries (yes sack Brad Stevens if game 3 turns out to be an anomaly in his new normality):

PG: Kemba, Smart, FastPP
SG: Jaylen, Fournier, Langford/Nesmith
SF: Tatum, Langford/Nesmith, Semi
PF: Nance, Uncle Jeff, Grant
C: Plumlee, Robert, Kornet
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Re: Best Offseason Plan I can think of (Realistic)
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2021, 07:13:14 PM »

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I can't remember our TPE details but getting Nance for our 1st would be awesome. He can pass, shoot and defend at a high level at both forward positions.

I'd love to try and pry Jonas V and De'Anthony Melton away from Memphis somehow. Maybe send Kemba to New York, Toppin and a future New York 1st to Memphis, and a prospect + 1st to Memphis from us? That's my dream!

Line-up of:
Smart / Pritchard
Fournier / Melton
Brown / Nesmith
Tatum / Nance
Valanciunas / Williams

A man can dream...
Our TPE is just enough to get Nance, which is what I've been pushing for recently. If we could trade #16 for Nance and get Plumlee from Detroit for TT and a 2nd or two I'd be delighted. Add a guy like Uncle Jeff via the taxpayer's MLE, re-sign Fournier and our roster will have no excuses to not make a deep playoff run barring injuries (yes sack Brad Stevens if game 3 turns out to be an anomaly in his new normality):

PG: Kemba, Smart, FastPP
SG: Jaylen, Fournier, Langford/Nesmith
SF: Tatum, Langford/Nesmith, Semi
PF: Nance, Uncle Jeff, Grant
C: Plumlee, Robert, Kornet
Plumlee would be an awesome addition. Good rebounder, amazing passer, 60% finisher inside the arc. Brad would love him!
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Best Offseason Plan I can think of (Realistic)
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2021, 07:16:05 PM »

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I can't remember our TPE details but getting Nance for our 1st would be awesome. He can pass, shoot and defend at a high level at both forward positions.

I'd love to try and pry Jonas V and De'Anthony Melton away from Memphis somehow. Maybe send Kemba to New York, Toppin and a future New York 1st to Memphis, and a prospect + 1st to Memphis from us? That's my dream!

Line-up of:
Smart / Pritchard
Fournier / Melton
Brown / Nesmith
Tatum / Nance
Valanciunas / Williams

A man can dream...
Our TPE is just enough to get Nance, which is what I've been pushing for recently. If we could trade #16 for Nance and get Plumlee from Detroit for TT and a 2nd or two I'd be delighted. Add a guy like Uncle Jeff via the taxpayer's MLE, re-sign Fournier and our roster will have no excuses to not make a deep playoff run barring injuries (yes sack Brad Stevens if game 3 turns out to be an anomaly in his new normality):

PG: Kemba, Smart, FastPP
SG: Jaylen, Fournier, Langford/Nesmith
SF: Tatum, Langford/Nesmith, Semi
PF: Nance, Uncle Jeff, Grant
C: Plumlee, Robert, Kornet
Plumlee would be an awesome addition. Good rebounder, amazing passer, 60% finisher inside the arc. Brad would love him!
Also a pretty good defender, so our team would be a defensively-slanted squad with 2-3 stars on offence.
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Re: Best Offseason Plan I can think of (Realistic)
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2021, 07:19:05 PM »

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I can't remember our TPE details but getting Nance for our 1st would be awesome. He can pass, shoot and defend at a high level at both forward positions.

I'd love to try and pry Jonas V and De'Anthony Melton away from Memphis somehow. Maybe send Kemba to New York, Toppin and a future New York 1st to Memphis, and a prospect + 1st to Memphis from us? That's my dream!

Line-up of:
Smart / Pritchard
Fournier / Melton
Brown / Nesmith
Tatum / Nance
Valanciunas / Williams

A man can dream...
Our TPE is just enough to get Nance, which is what I've been pushing for recently. If we could trade #16 for Nance and get Plumlee from Detroit for TT and a 2nd or two I'd be delighted. Add a guy like Uncle Jeff via the taxpayer's MLE, re-sign Fournier and our roster will have no excuses to not make a deep playoff run barring injuries (yes sack Brad Stevens if game 3 turns out to be an anomaly in his new normality):

PG: Kemba, Smart, FastPP
SG: Jaylen, Fournier, Langford/Nesmith
SF: Tatum, Langford/Nesmith, Semi
PF: Nance, Uncle Jeff, Grant
C: Plumlee, Robert, Kornet
Plumlee would be an awesome addition. Good rebounder, amazing passer, 60% finisher inside the arc. Brad would love him!
Also a pretty good defender, so our team would be a defensively-slanted squad with 2-3 stars on offence.
Whoops, thought I mentioned that. He's really solid defensively. Him and Time-Off Lord splitting the big minutes would be a great defensive rotation at the 5.

A defensively-oriented team is ideal. It's why I want my perfect 3&D point guard in Melton :P
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Best Offseason Plan I can think of (Realistic)
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2021, 07:21:27 PM »

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I can't remember our TPE details but getting Nance for our 1st would be awesome. He can pass, shoot and defend at a high level at both forward positions.

I'd love to try and pry Jonas V and De'Anthony Melton away from Memphis somehow. Maybe send Kemba to New York, Toppin and a future New York 1st to Memphis, and a prospect + 1st to Memphis from us? That's my dream!

Line-up of:
Smart / Pritchard
Fournier / Melton
Brown / Nesmith
Tatum / Nance
Valanciunas / Williams

A man can dream...
Our TPE is just enough to get Nance, which is what I've been pushing for recently. If we could trade #16 for Nance and get Plumlee from Detroit for TT and a 2nd or two I'd be delighted. Add a guy like Uncle Jeff via the taxpayer's MLE, re-sign Fournier and our roster will have no excuses to not make a deep playoff run barring injuries (yes sack Brad Stevens if game 3 turns out to be an anomaly in his new normality):

PG: Kemba, Smart, FastPP
SG: Jaylen, Fournier, Langford/Nesmith
SF: Tatum, Langford/Nesmith, Semi
PF: Nance, Uncle Jeff, Grant
C: Plumlee, Robert, Kornet
Plumlee would be an awesome addition. Good rebounder, amazing passer, 60% finisher inside the arc. Brad would love him!
Also a pretty good defender, so our team would be a defensively-slanted squad with 2-3 stars on offence.
Whoops, thought I mentioned that. He's really solid defensively. Him and Time-Off Lord splitting the big minutes would be a great defensive rotation at the 5.

A defensively-oriented team is ideal. It's why I want my perfect 3&D point guard in Melton :P
I mean I want Lowry as our PG if we had that kind of team :laugh:, the key word in this thread is 'realistic'.
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Re: Best Offseason Plan I can think of (Realistic)
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2021, 02:22:37 AM »

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Go after Simmons. I'd be willing to trade anybody but the Jays for him.

- Fournier (it would have to be a sign and trade)
- Smart
- Timelord (send him to a third team for a pick cause the Sixers already got Embiid)
- Nesmith or Romeo or even both
- Thompson (don't think they'd want him though)
- unprotected picks
- pick swaps
- Ideally, I'd want us to keep Pritchard for PG depth. If the Sixers really want him, it wouldn't be a deal breaker.

Long story short, let's say the deal looks like this:

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Dump Thompson for cap relief. Sign Cam Payne via the non-taxpayer MLE. The Suns don't have his full Bird rights. If they want to match that offer, they'd have to use their own MLE. Even so, the C's would offer him the opportunity to become a starting PG on a contending team.

PG: Cam Payne
SG: Brown
SF: Tatum
PF: Simmons
C: Horford

Imo, we'd be the #1 favorites to come out of the East with this lineup. Not to mention, Simmons (and Payne) fits the time window of the Jays. The C's would be a legit contending team for years to come.
« Last Edit: July 01, 2021, 02:59:19 AM by Jvalin »

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Go after Simmons. I'd be willing to trade anybody but the Jays for him.

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Dump Thompson for cap relief. Sign Cam Payne via the non-taxpayer MLE. The Suns don't have his full Bird rights. If they want to match that offer, they'd have to use their own MLE. Even so, the C's would offer him the opportunity to become a starting PG on a contending team.

PG: Cam Payne
SG: Brown
SF: Tatum
PF: Simmons
C: Horford

Imo, the C's would be the #1 favorites to come out of the East with this lineup. Not to mention, Simmons (and Payne) fits the time window of the Jays. We'd be a legit contending team for years to come.

I would skip Simmons trade and go straight after a shooter :) I'm not 100% against trading for Simmons, but he has a huge contract and still no improvement in his weak parts of the game; I don't think we would need to offer that much if Philly makes him available. For that type of offer I would expect a superstar in return

Re: Best Offseason Plan I can think of (Realistic)
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2021, 03:27:13 AM »

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Go after Simmons. I'd be willing to trade anybody but the Jays for him.

(click on image to enlarge)


Dump Thompson for cap relief. Sign Cam Payne via the non-taxpayer MLE. The Suns don't have his full Bird rights. If they want to match that offer, they'd have to use their own MLE. Even so, the C's would offer him the opportunity to become a starting PG on a contending team.

PG: Cam Payne
SG: Brown
SF: Tatum
PF: Simmons
C: Horford

Imo, the C's would be the #1 favorites to come out of the East with this lineup. Not to mention, Simmons (and Payne) fits the time window of the Jays. We'd be a legit contending team for years to come.

I would skip Simmons trade and go straight after a shooter :) I'm not 100% against trading for Simmons, but he has a huge contract and still no improvement in his weak parts of the game; I don't think we would need to offer that much if Philly makes him available. For that type of offer I would expect a superstar in return
Simmons is a superstar in my book. It's just that he's a terrible fit alongside Embiid. I fully believe he'd transform into a dominant 2-way player if he were playing close to the basket. Imagine him playing off the ball in the half court, setting picks on the perimeter and then rolling hard to the basket.

Philly is in win-now mode. Four picks may be an overpay, but we'd probably have to overpay a bit if the deal is centered around Smart and Fournier. I mean, chances are Philly can find better win-now packages.
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Re: Best Offseason Plan I can think of (Realistic)
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2021, 06:50:46 AM »

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Go after Simmons. I'd be willing to trade anybody but the Jays for him.

- Fournier (it would have to be a sign and trade)
- Smart
- Timelord (send him to a third team for a pick cause the Sixers already got Embiid)
- Nesmith or Romeo or even both
- Thompson (don't think they'd want him though)
- unprotected picks
- pick swaps
- Ideally, I'd want us to keep Pritchard for PG depth. If the Sixers really want him, it wouldn't be a deal breaker.

Long story short, let's say the deal looks like this:

(click on image to enlarge)


Dump Thompson for cap relief. Sign Cam Payne via the non-taxpayer MLE. The Suns don't have his full Bird rights. If they want to match that offer, they'd have to use their own MLE. Even so, the C's would offer him the opportunity to become a starting PG on a contending team.

PG: Cam Payne
SG: Brown
SF: Tatum
PF: Simmons
C: Horford

Imo, we'd be the #1 favorites to come out of the East with this lineup. Not to mention, Simmons (and Payne) fits the time window of the Jays. The C's would be a legit contending team for years to come.

I could be mistaken, but I believe you can't combine sign and traded players with other players.
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Re: Best Offseason Plan I can think of (Realistic)
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2021, 07:22:12 AM »

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Go after Simmons. I'd be willing to trade anybody but the Jays for him.

- Fournier (it would have to be a sign and trade)
- Smart
- Timelord (send him to a third team for a pick cause the Sixers already got Embiid)
- Nesmith or Romeo or even both
- Thompson (don't think they'd want him though)
- unprotected picks
- pick swaps
- Ideally, I'd want us to keep Pritchard for PG depth. If the Sixers really want him, it wouldn't be a deal breaker.

Long story short, let's say the deal looks like this:

(click on image to enlarge)


Dump Thompson for cap relief. Sign Cam Payne via the non-taxpayer MLE. The Suns don't have his full Bird rights. If they want to match that offer, they'd have to use their own MLE. Even so, the C's would offer him the opportunity to become a starting PG on a contending team.

PG: Cam Payne
SG: Brown
SF: Tatum
PF: Simmons
C: Horford

Imo, we'd be the #1 favorites to come out of the East with this lineup. Not to mention, Simmons (and Payne) fits the time window of the Jays. The C's would be a legit contending team for years to come.

I could be mistaken, but I believe you can't combine sign and traded players with other players.
This ain't true. Here's a quote from Larry Coons's CBA FAQ.

Quote from: Larry Coon's CBA FAQ
1    These teams are free to send players to other teams in sign-and-trade transactions, or to receive players in sign-and-trade transactions who weren't signed-and-traded themselves.

Question #92, footnote #1.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q92