Cavs and Celts trade idea

[Tr1boy]

To Cavs: 2022 1st, Walker
To Celtics: 2022 2nd, Love

TL
Love
Tatum
Brown
Smart

Lets say this is the only deal available for Walker.  Cavs could keep him or buy him out. But they are interested in the future 1st

Love is that big target that could really help the Jays.  Can string together 3s in a blink of an eye.  D is not great but ok, and with TL, Smart and Jays length to bail him out. 

[nickagneta]

I think you have no idea what Kemba Walker is really valued at around the league.

Kemba is actually both a better offensive player and better defensive player than Kevin Love. If both had to guard Giannis or Zion or Randle, my bet is Kemba would do a better job on them.

Also, with Garland and Sexton, why is Cleveland trading for Kemba? To buy him out of the $73 million owed to him as you suggest?

[hwangjini_1]

I think you have no idea what Kemba Walker is really valued at around the league.

Kemba is actually both a better offensive player and better defensive player than Kevin Love. If both had to guard Giannis or Zion or Randle, my bet is Kemba would do a better job on them.

Also, with Garland and Sexton, why is Cleveland trading for Kemba? To buy him out of the $73 million owed to him as you suggest?

to make tr1boy happy?

[gouki88]

This makes no sense for either team. Cleveland's best two players are small guards, and for us Kemba is a significantly better player than Kevin Love - so why are we giving up a first??

Kevin Love would not start here if we kept Fournier too, because he sucks so much. If we want a Cav we should pursue Nance

[RodyTur10]

I think you have no idea what Kemba Walker is really valued at around the league.

Kemba is actually both a better offensive player and better defensive player than Kevin Love. If both had to guard Giannis or Zion or Randle, my bet is Kemba would do a better job on them.

Also, with Garland and Sexton, why is Cleveland trading for Kemba? To buy him out of the $73 million owed to him as you suggest?

I agree that this would be a terrible trade for the Celtics.

But I wonder what you think could be a hypothetical return for Walker?

In another thread there was a Chicago suggestion: Thaddeus Young, Tomas Satoransky, Al-Farouq Aminu (the latter should be going to a 3rd team to limit tax costs by the way), which I find reasonable.

Not fond of the Moranis - Clippers possibility (Beverley, Morris, Zubac), which includes longterm overpaid contracts and two guys I really dislike watching.

[gouki88]

I think you have no idea what Kemba Walker is really valued at around the league.

Kemba is actually both a better offensive player and better defensive player than Kevin Love. If both had to guard Giannis or Zion or Randle, my bet is Kemba would do a better job on them.

Also, with Garland and Sexton, why is Cleveland trading for Kemba? To buy him out of the $73 million owed to him as you suggest?

I agree that this would be a terrible trade for the Celtics.

But I wonder what you think could be a hypothetical return for Walker?

In another thread there was a Chicago suggestion: Thaddeus Young, Tomas Satoransky, Al-Farouq Aminu (the latter should be going to a 3rd team to limit tax costs by the way), which I find reasonable.

Not fond of the Moranis - Clippers possibility (Beverley, Morris, Zubac), which includes longterm overpaid contracts and two guys I really dislike watching.

That Chicago one is mine - sending Aminu elsewhere for tax reasons is totally sensible. I was just trying to look for teams with suitable salary packages that made sense to my mind.

Another could be Dallas - Kleber, Richardson and Powell works financially. Dallas would probably be looking for a potential third star option, but it's a risky investment. I remember during the season talking about a Kemba - Porzingis deal involving a third team (the Spurs were my ideal one). Send Kemba to Dallas, Porzingis to San Antonio, Murray and Poeltl to the Cs. Throw in whatever to balance it.

Another package that works salary-wise is TJ Warren, Jeremy Lamb and Justin Holiday for Kemba. Two expirings (Warren wants out too apparently) and an additional bench shooter in Holiday. Again, not really taking any consideration of whether these are good moves, but rather salary packages on teams that make sense to me.

I fully believe Kemba will be on the team next year, but thoughts about how we could shake things up are more fun that coming to terms with how badly we've played this year.

[nickagneta]

I think you have no idea what Kemba Walker is really valued at around the league.

Kemba is actually both a better offensive player and better defensive player than Kevin Love. If both had to guard Giannis or Zion or Randle, my bet is Kemba would do a better job on them.

Also, with Garland and Sexton, why is Cleveland trading for Kemba? To buy him out of the $73 million owed to him as you suggest?

I agree that this would be a terrible trade for the Celtics.

But I wonder what you think could be a hypothetical return for Walker?

In another thread there was a Chicago suggestion: Thaddeus Young, Tomas Satoransky, Al-Farouq Aminu (the latter should be going to a 3rd team to limit tax costs by the way), which I find reasonable.

Not fond of the Moranis - Clippers possibility (Beverley, Morris, Zubac), which includes longterm overpaid contracts and two guys I really dislike watching.

I do not like moving a dollar for four dimes, which is what a lot of proposals are. At this point, if I am moving on from Kemba it's to trade up not down. Or maybe a lateral move.

Kemba is most likely going to give this team an excellent 3rd option for the next two years. 19/4/5 with average to above average shooting and scoring efficiency is tough to find in this league as a third offensive option.

With young superstars you need to have some of the best #3 and #4 offensive options in the league. You can't have those guys be good to "just another solid veteran guy" level of players. These trades do that.

I say look for a team looking to tank either this off-season or at next year's trade deadline. Could Indy or Toronto look to blow things up? If so would Kemba and some 1sts get you a Sabonis, a Brogdon, a Siakam, a Beal? Would Jerami Grant/Corey Joseph duo for Kemba and picks be equal value if Detroit decides they want more shots at nabbing a talent in future drafts and can convince Kemba not to pick up his option? Could these deals be built up into a three-way that shuttles Kemba elsewhere?

I think keeping Kemba or trading him in something I have proposed is much better use of Kemba for Boston going forward. Maybe it's because I don't buy the very popular trope of "Kemba doesn't fit with the Jays". Maybe it's because I don't buy the concerns over managing arthritis in his knee. Maybe it's because I think Kemba is still a great player. Maybe it's because I just like Kemba, he seems like a good dude.

But, I wouldn't salary dump him, trade him in an awful trade like this, or trade him for 3 mediocre vet role players.

[Moranis]

I actually think something like Love and Sexton for Walker makes a fair amount of sense for both teams, though a 3 team trade with the Knicks I think is actually quite plausible.  Walker to NY, Knox/Edwards to CLE, Love/Sexton to BOS.  Some variation on that with a draft pick or two to cleveland.

[Muzzy66]

Kevin Love is 32 year old, is making $31M a year, has 3 years left on his contract, and he's averaging 12 and 7 on 41% / 36% shooting while also being a horrendous defensive player.  And he's putting up those numbers on a bad team as well. 

At this point it's pobably debatable if Love is even a clear starter in the NBA.  He'd probably come off the bench for a lot of teams.  Kemba (even with a dodgy knee) is still far better then Love.

Not only would I not trade Kemba for Love, I don't even think I'd trade TT for love (if the salaries were equal).  Eek. 

This is an emphatic hell no from me.

[gouki88]

I actually think something like Love and Sexton for Walker makes a fair amount of sense for both teams, though a 3 team trade with the Knicks I think is actually quite plausible.  Walker to NY, Knox/Edwards to CLE, Love/Sexton to BOS.  Some variation on that with a draft pick or two to cleveland.

Are Cleveland that desperate to dump Love that they’d give up Sexton?

I don’t even like Sexton’s game as a PG, much more of that small SG which I don’t find ideal alongside the Jays

[Moranis]

I actually think something like Love and Sexton for Walker makes a fair amount of sense for both teams, though a 3 team trade with the Knicks I think is actually quite plausible.  Walker to NY, Knox/Edwards to CLE, Love/Sexton to BOS.  Some variation on that with a draft pick or two to cleveland.

Are Cleveland that desperate to dump Love that they’d give up Sexton?

I don’t even like Sexton’s game as a PG, much more of that small SG which I don’t find ideal alongside the Jays

Listening to the reports out of Cleveland, Sexton is very much on the block, so I do think they might attach him to get out of Love.

[gouki88]

I actually think something like Love and Sexton for Walker makes a fair amount of sense for both teams, though a 3 team trade with the Knicks I think is actually quite plausible.  Walker to NY, Knox/Edwards to CLE, Love/Sexton to BOS.  Some variation on that with a draft pick or two to cleveland.

Are Cleveland that desperate to dump Love that they’d give up Sexton?

I don’t even like Sexton’s game as a PG, much more of that small SG which I don’t find ideal alongside the Jays

Listening to the reports out of Cleveland, Sexton is very much on the block, so I do think they might attach him to get out of Love.

Weird. You're a lot more tuned into Cleveland stuff than me.

Maybe they're more into Garland? Those two are probably incompatible long-term

[Somebody]

I actually think something like Love and Sexton for Walker makes a fair amount of sense for both teams, though a 3 team trade with the Knicks I think is actually quite plausible.  Walker to NY, Knox/Edwards to CLE, Love/Sexton to BOS.  Some variation on that with a draft pick or two to cleveland.

Are Cleveland that desperate to dump Love that they’d give up Sexton?

I don’t even like Sexton’s game as a PG, much more of that small SG which I don’t find ideal alongside the Jays

Listening to the reports out of Cleveland, Sexton is very much on the block, so I do think they might attach him to get out of Love.

What is Sexton's style of play? If he plays like a ball-dominant guard who plays little to no defence then I want him nowhere near our team. Just think that his statistical profile is pretty interesting even though he looks like another Fox/KPJ/Mitchell type in the raw box score, so if he's shown signs of being able to play defence or off the ball I'd really like him.

[Moranis]

I actually think something like Love and Sexton for Walker makes a fair amount of sense for both teams, though a 3 team trade with the Knicks I think is actually quite plausible.  Walker to NY, Knox/Edwards to CLE, Love/Sexton to BOS.  Some variation on that with a draft pick or two to cleveland.

Are Cleveland that desperate to dump Love that they’d give up Sexton?

I don’t even like Sexton’s game as a PG, much more of that small SG which I don’t find ideal alongside the Jays

Listening to the reports out of Cleveland, Sexton is very much on the block, so I do think they might attach him to get out of Love.

Weird. You're a lot more tuned into Cleveland stuff than me.

Maybe they're more into Garland? Those two are probably incompatible long-term

Sexton also reportedly wants a max contract (I don't think anyone would give it to him).  Sexton also isn't the most well like player in that lockerroom.  I absolutely think he is worth a flyer even if it means taking on Love and his big contract to do it.  And the Cavs might just be fine without getting out of his contract.

[liam]

I actually think something like Love and Sexton for Walker makes a fair amount of sense for both teams, though a 3 team trade with the Knicks I think is actually quite plausible.  Walker to NY, Knox/Edwards to CLE, Love/Sexton to BOS.  Some variation on that with a draft pick or two to cleveland.

Are Cleveland that desperate to dump Love that they’d give up Sexton?

I don’t even like Sexton’s game as a PG, much more of that small SG which I don’t find ideal alongside the Jays

Listening to the reports out of Cleveland, Sexton is very much on the block, so I do think they might attach him to get out of Love.

Weird. You're a lot more tuned into Cleveland stuff than me.

Maybe they're more into Garland? Those two are probably incompatible long-term

Sexton also reportedly wants a max contract (I don't think anyone would give it to him).  Sexton also isn't the most well like player in that lockerroom.  I absolutely think he is worth a flyer even if it means taking on Love and his big contract to do it.  And the Cavs might just be fine without getting out of his contract.

The Hornets?