C’s Off-Season FA Acquisitions

[gouki88]

I'm confused by what you mean. Of the players on the Nets roster they only drafted Claxton. The rest have been trades or free agents

I meant it will be hard to improve the team with the talent we have to offer.  People want Brown, Tatum, Timelord and perhaps Smart.   Other teams would not want the rest of our roster and it will be hard to make off season acquisitions given our cupboard is bare.

I think you'd be surprised. There were a few recent trades where guys of similar levels to our bench players were shipped for solid role players, e.g.

Hartenstein + two 2nd round picks for JaVale McGee.

2nd round pick for Terence Davis.

Cash for Torrey Craig.

Dennis Smith Jr. + 2nd round pick for Derrick Rose.

Three 2nd round picks for Alec Burks and Glenn Robinson III.

2nd round pick for James Ennis.

Etc etc.

Feel like there's potential to buy low on veteran players from rebuilding teams as we've seen in the past. Just need to be proactive

[PAOBoston]

I'm confused by what you mean. Of the players on the Nets roster they only drafted Claxton. The rest have been trades or free agents

I meant it will be hard to improve the team with the talent we have to offer.  People want Brown, Tatum, Timelord and perhaps Smart.   Other teams would not want the rest of our roster and it will be hard to make off season acquisitions given our cupboard is bare.

We need to stop including Williams and Smart in the groupings of Cs core players. It’s Tatum and Brown and then everyone else is fodder. We should have zero qualms should either Williams or Smort being included in a trade. They are role players, at least Smart is. I have no idea what Williams is but three years into his career he is and continues to be a question mark due to his very extensive injury history. He showed flashes this year so Cs should sell as high as they can on him before they need to figure out his next deal. Same with Smart. Need to trade him prior to his next deal. I feel like he will be a train wreck playing for a contract next year.

[slamtheking]

Nets gave up a lot more than draft picks for Harden....Allen and Levert both of whom would be great in green

An injury-prone inefficient scoring guard and an athletic rim-runner aren't A-grade or even B-grade prospects though

I think Allen is at least a B- prospect (way better prospect or value than Robert Williams as an example) and LeVert certainly has that talent, but man is he injury prone.  They also gave up Prince (C) and Kurucs (D) along with the 3 1st's and 3 swaps.

considering Timelord's break out this season, I can't see how Allen rates as a better prospect.  Timelord's got his health issues but in terms of impact on the game, TL has shown he can make a significant impact that dramatically improves how the team performs when he's on the court.  Allen has looked like a solid player but not with the same impact on the game.

Their advanced metrics are fairly close (Williams is a bit better), but Allen doesn't miss games and is actually younger.  Availability is often the best ability and in that it is no contest.  Allen stays healthy and can play a full game, Williams cannot.  I mean Allen played more minutes this season than Williams has played in his entire 3 year career by over 200 minutes.  I mean it is just staggering how unhealthy Williams has actually been.

I don't disagree that Williams has serious durability issues and Allen does not but that doesn't change the fact that TL has a much bigger impact on the floor when he's playing.  team's looking for an impact player will consider TL to be the better prospect to trade for

[Walker Wiggle]

I'm confused by what you mean. Of the players on the Nets roster they only drafted Claxton. The rest have been trades or free agents

I meant it will be hard to improve the team with the talent we have to offer.  People want Brown, Tatum, Timelord and perhaps Smart.   Other teams would not want the rest of our roster and it will be hard to make off season acquisitions given our cupboard is bare.

We need to stop including Williams and Smart in the groupings of Cs core players. It’s Tatum and Brown and then everyone else is fodder. We should have zero qualms should either Williams or Smort being included in a trade. They are role players, at least Smart is. I have no idea what Williams is but three years into his career he is and continues to be a question mark due to his very extensive injury history. He showed flashes this year so Cs should sell as high as they can on him before they need to figure out his next deal. Same with Smart. Need to trade him prior to his next deal. I feel like he will be a train wreck playing for a contract next year.

I agree with this. The future of the team is Tatum plus Brown plus whatever superstar they are able to add in the future. All personnel decisions need to have in mind the ultimate goal of adding that third star. The rest of the roster will work itself out.

If a team is tantalized by Timelord and wants to part with, say, two future first-round picks, I’m thinking long and hard about it. He’ll be on the final year of his deal, plays a position where you can be an elite team without a star (unlike at the wing, for instance), and that draft capital can be used to throw at a team whose star player inevitably becomes disgruntled.

[Somebody]

I'm confused by what you mean. Of the players on the Nets roster they only drafted Claxton. The rest have been trades or free agents

I meant it will be hard to improve the team with the talent we have to offer.  People want Brown, Tatum, Timelord and perhaps Smart.   Other teams would not want the rest of our roster and it will be hard to make off season acquisitions given our cupboard is bare.

I think you'd be surprised. There were a few recent trades where guys of similar levels to our bench players were shipped for solid role players, e.g.

Hartenstein + two 2nd round picks for JaVale McGee.

2nd round pick for Terence Davis.

Cash for Torrey Craig.

Dennis Smith Jr. + 2nd round pick for Derrick Rose.

Three 2nd round picks for Alec Burks and Glenn Robinson III.

2nd round pick for James Ennis.

Etc etc.

Feel like there's potential to buy low on veteran players from rebuilding teams as we've seen in the past. Just need to be proactive

I'd be ecstatic with Plumlee/Nance/Hill/Uncle Jeff.

[Chief]

I'm confused by what you mean. Of the players on the Nets roster they only drafted Claxton. The rest have been trades or free agents

I meant it will be hard to improve the team with the talent we have to offer.  People want Brown, Tatum, Timelord and perhaps Smart.   Other teams would not want the rest of our roster and it will be hard to make off season acquisitions given our cupboard is bare.

I think you'd be surprised. There were a few recent trades where guys of similar levels to our bench players were shipped for solid role players, e.g.

Hartenstein + two 2nd round picks for JaVale McGee.

2nd round pick for Terence Davis.

Cash for Torrey Craig.

Dennis Smith Jr. + 2nd round pick for Derrick Rose.

Three 2nd round picks for Alec Burks and Glenn Robinson III.

2nd round pick for James Ennis.

Etc etc.

Feel like there's potential to buy low on veteran players from rebuilding teams as we've seen in the past. Just need to be proactive

You know Ainge isnt going to trade picks. He enjoys drafting shooting guards too much. And those 2nd round picks can nab an undersized pf or two.

[RJ87]

One guy I'd love to target this offseason is Domantas Sabonis. The were rumors that Indiana had shopped him and Brogdon around the deadline, so he could be available. I'm not sure what it'd take to get him or if Indy would even be interested in dealing with us, but I hope Ainge at least inquires. He's kind of a Jokic-lite in terms of his playmaking and we need a massive upgrade in that area.

[PhoSita]

One guy I'd love to target this offseason is Domantas Sabonis. The were rumors that Indiana had shopped him and Brogdon around the deadline, so he could be available. I'm not sure what it'd take to get him or if Indy would even be interested in dealing with us, but I hope Ainge at least inquires. He's kind of a Jokic-lite in terms of his playmaking and we need a massive upgrade in that area.

What do the Celtics have to offer for a piece like Sabonis, assuming that neither Tatum nor Brown is on the table?

[Somebody]

One guy I'd love to target this offseason is Domantas Sabonis. The were rumors that Indiana had shopped him and Brogdon around the deadline, so he could be available. I'm not sure what it'd take to get him or if Indy would even be interested in dealing with us, but I hope Ainge at least inquires. He's kind of a Jokic-lite in terms of his playmaking and we need a massive upgrade in that area.

What do the Celtics have to offer for a piece like Sabonis, assuming that neither Tatum nor Brown is on the table?

I'd rather have Brogdon if he's available. Perfect #3 or #4 on a high-level offence, plays good defence, and is versatile enough to play the 1 or 2 full time and even the 3 in small ball lineups.

I understand that we need a quality swing/big, but I think there are cheaper options out there (eg. Plumlee, Nance).

[RJ87]

One guy I'd love to target this offseason is Domantas Sabonis. The were rumors that Indiana had shopped him and Brogdon around the deadline, so he could be available. I'm not sure what it'd take to get him or if Indy would even be interested in dealing with us, but I hope Ainge at least inquires. He's kind of a Jokic-lite in terms of his playmaking and we need a massive upgrade in that area.

What do the Celtics have to offer for a piece like Sabonis, assuming that neither Tatum nor Brown is on the table?

I already said I don't know what it'd take to get him, but I'd offer them a deal built around Marcus + Nesmith or another young guy + picks.

[slamtheking]

One guy I'd love to target this offseason is Domantas Sabonis. The were rumors that Indiana had shopped him and Brogdon around the deadline, so he could be available. I'm not sure what it'd take to get him or if Indy would even be interested in dealing with us, but I hope Ainge at least inquires. He's kind of a Jokic-lite in terms of his playmaking and we need a massive upgrade in that area.

What do the Celtics have to offer for a piece like Sabonis, assuming that neither Tatum nor Brown is on the table?

I already said I don't know what it'd take to get him, but I'd offer them a deal built around Marcus + Nesmith or another young guy + picks.

not seeing that as appealing to them.  Sabonis is pretty much their prime building block.  I could see them moving pretty much everyone else to build around him rather than the other way around.

[PhoSita]

Sabonis is a borderline All-Star; a guy who is not good enough to be the clear cut best player on a good team, but nonetheless a very valuable player.  I think he's similar to Vucevic in what he should fetch in a trade.

I don't the Celtics realistically have the assets to get him. 

[PhoSita]

I'm confused by what you mean. Of the players on the Nets roster they only drafted Claxton. The rest have been trades or free agents

I meant it will be hard to improve the team with the talent we have to offer.  People want Brown, Tatum, Timelord and perhaps Smart.   Other teams would not want the rest of our roster and it will be hard to make off season acquisitions given our cupboard is bare.

I think you'd be surprised. There were a few recent trades where guys of similar levels to our bench players were shipped for solid role players, e.g.

Hartenstein + two 2nd round picks for JaVale McGee.

2nd round pick for Terence Davis.

Cash for Torrey Craig.

Dennis Smith Jr. + 2nd round pick for Derrick Rose.

Three 2nd round picks for Alec Burks and Glenn Robinson III.

2nd round pick for James Ennis.

Etc etc.

Feel like there's potential to buy low on veteran players from rebuilding teams as we've seen in the past. Just need to be proactive

My favorite idea right now is Tristan Thompson + [minor asset]* for Mason Plumlee

*could be a 2nd round pick, or a heavily protected 1st, or a young player not named Nesmith, Pritchard, or Robert Williams

[td450]

Use Marcus Smart to buy a pick for Franz Wagner . Draft Ayo Dosunmu at 16. Resign Fournier.

Get healthy.

[RJ87]

Sabonis is a borderline All-Star; a guy who is not good enough to be the clear cut best player on a good team, but nonetheless a very valuable player.  I think he's similar to Vucevic in what he should fetch in a trade.

I don't the Celtics realistically have the assets to get him.

Vucevic went for 2 1sts, Wendell Carter, and Otto Porter's expiring.

We have all of our own 1sts for a deal and an athletic but injury prone young big as the basis. Add in Tristan's expiring and another of the rookie deals and you have the salary.

I'm not saying it'll happen, but it's not far fetched.