Apparently Evan Fournier is all time historically…

[Muzzy66]

This will be one of Brad’s major decisions as President. Evan would certainly want a more defined role before committing to the team. If Kemba can be convinced to be a super 6th man then maybe Evan could be a starting SG with Smart as PG?

I want Romeo starting and both Kemba and Fournier coming off the bench, but you can’t have $50 million committed to your top 2 reserves, so that isn’t happening.

I can't think of any reason why you would start Romeo over Kemba and Fournier.  Kemba is a multi-time All star.  Fournier is a good starter and international star.  Langford is a scrub who's shown zero indication to me that he will ever be a legit NBA player, let alone a starter.

I’d start him over Kemba because I think it’s very problematic to have a starter who is going to need to rest 15+ games next year, excluding any additional injury he suffers.  It’s less disruptive to the rotation/rhythm of the team if he’s coming off the bench.

As for Fournier, he gets hunted on defense and is too inconsistent on offense.  I don’t expect him to stick around, but if he does he’s again better bench material.

Romeo is ready for his Avery Bradley breakout year.  He showed flashes in May, and it’s coming.  He’s ready to start.

Are you really using injury history of all things  as a justification for starting Langford over Kemba?

How many games has Langford missed due to injury so far?

Also where dos the Avery Bradley comparison come from?  Bradley was an elite defender from the day he entered the league, then developed the rest of is game later.  Romeo so far can't even defend at a passable level.  At least not from what I've seen...

I would suggest you're not paying much attention to him then.

His defensive positioning is elite. Lateral quickness, long wingspan, isn't foul prone. His D-Raptor this year was +2.5 and last year was +2.9, which is really impressive and better than quite a few well-known defenders, and he's trusted by both coaches and teammates to defend high-level offensive players

I've watched him many times.  I frequently see him standing around looking completely lost like he has no idea where he is.

[gouki88]

This will be one of Brad’s major decisions as President. Evan would certainly want a more defined role before committing to the team. If Kemba can be convinced to be a super 6th man then maybe Evan could be a starting SG with Smart as PG?

I want Romeo starting and both Kemba and Fournier coming off the bench, but you can’t have $50 million committed to your top 2 reserves, so that isn’t happening.

I can't think of any reason why you would start Romeo over Kemba and Fournier.  Kemba is a multi-time All star.  Fournier is a good starter and international star.  Langford is a scrub who's shown zero indication to me that he will ever be a legit NBA player, let alone a starter.

I’d start him over Kemba because I think it’s very problematic to have a starter who is going to need to rest 15+ games next year, excluding any additional injury he suffers.  It’s less disruptive to the rotation/rhythm of the team if he’s coming off the bench.

As for Fournier, he gets hunted on defense and is too inconsistent on offense.  I don’t expect him to stick around, but if he does he’s again better bench material.

Romeo is ready for his Avery Bradley breakout year.  He showed flashes in May, and it’s coming.  He’s ready to start.

Are you really using injury history of all things  as a justification for starting Langford over Kemba?

How many games has Langford missed due to injury so far?

Also where dos the Avery Bradley comparison come from?  Bradley was an elite defender from the day he entered the league, then developed the rest of is game later.  Romeo so far can't even defend at a passable level.  At least not from what I've seen...

I would suggest you're not paying much attention to him then.

His defensive positioning is elite. Lateral quickness, long wingspan, isn't foul prone. His D-Raptor this year was +2.5 and last year was +2.9, which is really impressive and better than quite a few well-known defenders, and he's trusted by both coaches and teammates to defend high-level offensive players

I've watched him many times.  I frequently see him standing around looking completely lost like he has no idea where he is.

Hardly a convincing argument

[Kiorrik]

This will be one of Brad’s major decisions as President. Evan would certainly want a more defined role before committing to the team. If Kemba can be convinced to be a super 6th man then maybe Evan could be a starting SG with Smart as PG?

I want Romeo starting and both Kemba and Fournier coming off the bench, but you can’t have $50 million committed to your top 2 reserves, so that isn’t happening.

I can't think of any reason why you would start Romeo over Kemba and Fournier.  Kemba is a multi-time All star.  Fournier is a good starter and international star.  Langford is a scrub who's shown zero indication to me that he will ever be a legit NBA player, let alone a starter.

I’d start him over Kemba because I think it’s very problematic to have a starter who is going to need to rest 15+ games next year, excluding any additional injury he suffers.  It’s less disruptive to the rotation/rhythm of the team if he’s coming off the bench.

As for Fournier, he gets hunted on defense and is too inconsistent on offense.  I don’t expect him to stick around, but if he does he’s again better bench material.

Romeo is ready for his Avery Bradley breakout year.  He showed flashes in May, and it’s coming.  He’s ready to start.

Are you really using injury history of all things  as a justification for starting Langford over Kemba?

How many games has Langford missed due to injury so far?

Also where dos the Avery Bradley comparison come from?  Bradley was an elite defender from the day he entered the league, then developed the rest of is game later.  Romeo so far can't even defend at a passable level.  At least not from what I've seen...

I would suggest you're not paying much attention to him then.

His defensive positioning is elite. Lateral quickness, long wingspan, isn't foul prone. His D-Raptor this year was +2.5 and last year was +2.9, which is really impressive and better than quite a few well-known defenders, and he's trusted by both coaches and teammates to defend high-level offensive players

I've watched him many times.  I frequently see him standing around looking completely lost like he has no idea where he is.

Hardly a convincing argument

Ur mum's hardly a convincing argument.

Hah.

[Kiorrik]

(... sorry I've had a long week. And it's not even over yet.)

[Somebody]

Sounded pretty noncommittal about returning tonight.

Fair enough. There'll be plenty of suitors where his role will be much more well-defined

Yeah, I wouldn't be in a rush to stay with the Celtics if I were Fournier because of the lack of clarity over his role and his minutes. I would want to be a starter and get 30-35mpg.

Anybody that offers me comparable financial terms on a not lousy ball club while giving me a clearer role is the team that I would sign with.

That said, If Boston made some moves and say traded Marcus Smart and said "Evan, you're our starting SG next year" ... well then, that problem goes out the window.

Then it becomes money + opportunity to win a title. Someone could offer similar money but a better opportunity to win which would be unlucky / unlikely but possible. But at least it would remove that extra factor over role + minutes as a negative shadow over Evan returning here.

Well, good thing that we're going to absolutely shut him down if he's asking for anything close to 15 million then

I feel like he'll be able to find that kind of money easily if Bertans and Harris were able to

Harris is miles clear of Fournier and so was Bertans when he signed his contract.

In what aspects? Their box scores and most advanced metrics are pretty comparable

This is more qualitative than quantitative (minuscule playoff sample sizes for all three players). But I see Harris and Bertans having skillsets that defences find it more difficult to erode even in the playoffs - both of them are active movers off the ball who can shoot on very high volume, and these guys typically don't collapse against stronger defences in larger sample sizes when they play a complementary role.

Teams usually are able to chip away at Fournier's on-ball skills significantly when they are able to gameplan for him (I've gone on about his weaknesses in length in another thread, but basically his wonky dribble, erratic passing and lack of straight line/vertical athleticism really hurt him when defences start sending a man to mug him in the playoffs) in a way that they can't really do for Bertans and Harris, because while they don't have the on-ball skills Fournier has, the way they can grapple and throw 'air crossovers/stepbacks' at their defenders without the ball in their hands make it really difficult to slow them down greatly with single coverage. Fournier can do a bit of that as well, but he's not as good at doing those things: he's more of a 'straight line runner' who races to specific spots on the court for C&S jumpers.

If you take a look at their playoff data (again minuscule sample size alert) you'll see that Harris is clearly the best out of the three while it's more of a toss up between Fournier and Bertans (although Bertans' numbers are deflated by his San Antonio runs where he was a very low minute player and significantly worse than what he is now in Washington). Considering that Bertans still averaged over 60% TS despite shooting well below his RS standards from three this playoffs against an elite defence (while Fournier had the luxury of facing a woeful playoff defence in Brooklyn), I think Fournier is significantly worse than Harris and is a clear rung below Bertans. Obviously you can argue that we should disregard their playoff stats, but they make sense if you watch all three of them play in the second season.

[gouki88]

Sounded pretty noncommittal about returning tonight.

Fair enough. There'll be plenty of suitors where his role will be much more well-defined

Yeah, I wouldn't be in a rush to stay with the Celtics if I were Fournier because of the lack of clarity over his role and his minutes. I would want to be a starter and get 30-35mpg.

Anybody that offers me comparable financial terms on a not lousy ball club while giving me a clearer role is the team that I would sign with.

That said, If Boston made some moves and say traded Marcus Smart and said "Evan, you're our starting SG next year" ... well then, that problem goes out the window.

Then it becomes money + opportunity to win a title. Someone could offer similar money but a better opportunity to win which would be unlucky / unlikely but possible. But at least it would remove that extra factor over role + minutes as a negative shadow over Evan returning here.

Well, good thing that we're going to absolutely shut him down if he's asking for anything close to 15 million then

I feel like he'll be able to find that kind of money easily if Bertans and Harris were able to

Harris is miles clear of Fournier and so was Bertans when he signed his contract.

In what aspects? Their box scores and most advanced metrics are pretty comparable

This is more qualitative than quantitative (minuscule playoff sample sizes for all three players). But I see Harris and Bertans having skillsets that defences find it more difficult to erode even in the playoffs - both of them are active movers off the ball who can shoot on very high volume, and these guys typically don't collapse against stronger defences in larger sample sizes when they play a complementary role.

Teams usually are able to chip away at Fournier's on-ball skills significantly when they are able to gameplan for him (I've gone on about his weaknesses in length in another thread, but basically his wonky dribble, erratic passing and lack of straight line/vertical athleticism really hurt him when defences start sending a man to mug him in the playoffs) in a way that they can't really do for Bertans and Harris, because while they don't have the on-ball skills Fournier has, the way they can grapple and throw 'air crossovers/stepbacks' at their defenders without the ball in their hands make it really difficult to slow them down greatly with single coverage. Fournier can do a bit of that as well, but he's not as good at doing those things: he's more of a 'straight line runner' who races to specific spots on the court for C&S jumpers.

If you take a look at their playoff data (again minuscule sample size alert) you'll see that Harris is clearly the best out of the three while it's more of a toss up between Fournier and Bertans (although Bertans' numbers are deflated by his San Antonio runs where he was a very low minute player and significantly worse than what he is now in Washington). Considering that Bertans still averaged over 60% TS despite shooting well below his RS standards from three this playoffs against an elite defence (while Fournier had the luxury of facing a woeful playoff defence in Brooklyn), I think Fournier is significantly worse than Harris and is a clear rung below Bertans. Obviously you can argue that we should disregard their playoff stats, but they make sense if you watch all three of them play in the second season.

That's fair enough. I rate Harris ahead of Fournier but have him ahead of Bertans. That might be more Bertans' annoying flopping and weak defence for someone his size more than anything though, but I just find him to be a flash in the pan more than Fournier

[Somebody]

Sounded pretty noncommittal about returning tonight.

Fair enough. There'll be plenty of suitors where his role will be much more well-defined

Yeah, I wouldn't be in a rush to stay with the Celtics if I were Fournier because of the lack of clarity over his role and his minutes. I would want to be a starter and get 30-35mpg.

Anybody that offers me comparable financial terms on a not lousy ball club while giving me a clearer role is the team that I would sign with.

That said, If Boston made some moves and say traded Marcus Smart and said "Evan, you're our starting SG next year" ... well then, that problem goes out the window.

Then it becomes money + opportunity to win a title. Someone could offer similar money but a better opportunity to win which would be unlucky / unlikely but possible. But at least it would remove that extra factor over role + minutes as a negative shadow over Evan returning here.

Well, good thing that we're going to absolutely shut him down if he's asking for anything close to 15 million then

I feel like he'll be able to find that kind of money easily if Bertans and Harris were able to

Harris is miles clear of Fournier and so was Bertans when he signed his contract.

In what aspects? Their box scores and most advanced metrics are pretty comparable

This is more qualitative than quantitative (minuscule playoff sample sizes for all three players). But I see Harris and Bertans having skillsets that defences find it more difficult to erode even in the playoffs - both of them are active movers off the ball who can shoot on very high volume, and these guys typically don't collapse against stronger defences in larger sample sizes when they play a complementary role.

Teams usually are able to chip away at Fournier's on-ball skills significantly when they are able to gameplan for him (I've gone on about his weaknesses in length in another thread, but basically his wonky dribble, erratic passing and lack of straight line/vertical athleticism really hurt him when defences start sending a man to mug him in the playoffs) in a way that they can't really do for Bertans and Harris, because while they don't have the on-ball skills Fournier has, the way they can grapple and throw 'air crossovers/stepbacks' at their defenders without the ball in their hands make it really difficult to slow them down greatly with single coverage. Fournier can do a bit of that as well, but he's not as good at doing those things: he's more of a 'straight line runner' who races to specific spots on the court for C&S jumpers.

If you take a look at their playoff data (again minuscule sample size alert) you'll see that Harris is clearly the best out of the three while it's more of a toss up between Fournier and Bertans (although Bertans' numbers are deflated by his San Antonio runs where he was a very low minute player and significantly worse than what he is now in Washington). Considering that Bertans still averaged over 60% TS despite shooting well below his RS standards from three this playoffs against an elite defence (while Fournier had the luxury of facing a woeful playoff defence in Brooklyn), I think Fournier is significantly worse than Harris and is a clear rung below Bertans. Obviously you can argue that we should disregard their playoff stats, but they make sense if you watch all three of them play in the second season.

That's fair enough. I rate Harris ahead of Fournier but have him ahead of Bertans. That might be more Bertans' annoying flopping and weak defence for someone his size more than anything though, but I just find him to be a flash in the pan more than Fournier

Fournier's defence is just as infuriating to me tbh

[Celtics2021]

This will be one of Brad’s major decisions as President. Evan would certainly want a more defined role before committing to the team. If Kemba can be convinced to be a super 6th man then maybe Evan could be a starting SG with Smart as PG?

I want Romeo starting and both Kemba and Fournier coming off the bench, but you can’t have $50 million committed to your top 2 reserves, so that isn’t happening.

I can't think of any reason why you would start Romeo over Kemba and Fournier.  Kemba is a multi-time All star.  Fournier is a good starter and international star.  Langford is a scrub who's shown zero indication to me that he will ever be a legit NBA player, let alone a starter.

I’d start him over Kemba because I think it’s very problematic to have a starter who is going to need to rest 15+ games next year, excluding any additional injury he suffers.  It’s less disruptive to the rotation/rhythm of the team if he’s coming off the bench.

As for Fournier, he gets hunted on defense and is too inconsistent on offense.  I don’t expect him to stick around, but if he does he’s again better bench material.

Romeo is ready for his Avery Bradley breakout year.  He showed flashes in May, and it’s coming.  He’s ready to start.

Are you really using injury history of all things  as a justification for starting Langford over Kemba?

How many games has Langford missed due to injury so far?

Also where dos the Avery Bradley comparison come from?  Bradley was an elite defender from the day he entered the league, then developed the rest of is game later.  Romeo so far can't even defend at a passable level.  At least not from what I've seen...

If Kemba Walker has a miraculous recovery such that he can perform at or near an All-Star level while playing every night, as opposed to needing to take off back-to-backs, of course he starts over Romeo.  That goes without saying.  But nothing we’ve seen since January 2020 indicates that is likely to be the case.

Romeo is a terrific defender.  He’s long, moves well, and unlike Nesmith doesn’t get caught reaching.  We saw it many times, but most recently in Game 5 he recorded 2 blocks and 2 steals vs. the Nets while committing only one foul.  He didn’t commit a single foul the game before that.  His shooting is still a work in progress, but he shot 35% from 3 this playoffs, which was just fine.  He’s a good secondary ball handler and knows how to get to the rim.

Healthy Kemba, sure, start him.  But that ship has sailed.

[Tr1boy]

Knicks could be suitor for Evan Fournier

It will be interesting to see how Stevens approaches free agents like Evan Fournier. Ainge said in a press conference that Stevens didn’t always agree with moves made by the Celtics’ front office. Boston traded for Fournier in late March. The Knicks had conversations with Orlando prior to the trade deadline about acquiring Fournier, per sources. 5 hours ago – via SportsNet New York

[Tr1boy]

Tom Thibodeau recently credited the Hawks for surrounding Trae Young with solid shooters. He didn’t come out and say that the Knicks needed more shooting. But it’s easy to make the connection between his comments about Atlanta and how he values perimeter shooting. Given the Knicks’ past interest in Fournier, they could be among the suitors for him this offseason. 5 hours ago – via SportsNet New York

[Muzzy66]

This will be one of Brad’s major decisions as President. Evan would certainly want a more defined role before committing to the team. If Kemba can be convinced to be a super 6th man then maybe Evan could be a starting SG with Smart as PG?

I want Romeo starting and both Kemba and Fournier coming off the bench, but you can’t have $50 million committed to your top 2 reserves, so that isn’t happening.

I can't think of any reason why you would start Romeo over Kemba and Fournier.  Kemba is a multi-time All star.  Fournier is a good starter and international star.  Langford is a scrub who's shown zero indication to me that he will ever be a legit NBA player, let alone a starter.

I’d start him over Kemba because I think it’s very problematic to have a starter who is going to need to rest 15+ games next year, excluding any additional injury he suffers.  It’s less disruptive to the rotation/rhythm of the team if he’s coming off the bench.

As for Fournier, he gets hunted on defense and is too inconsistent on offense.  I don’t expect him to stick around, but if he does he’s again better bench material.

Romeo is ready for his Avery Bradley breakout year.  He showed flashes in May, and it’s coming.  He’s ready to start.

Are you really using injury history of all things  as a justification for starting Langford over Kemba?

How many games has Langford missed due to injury so far?

Also where dos the Avery Bradley comparison come from?  Bradley was an elite defender from the day he entered the league, then developed the rest of is game later.  Romeo so far can't even defend at a passable level.  At least not from what I've seen...

I would suggest you're not paying much attention to him then.

His defensive positioning is elite. Lateral quickness, long wingspan, isn't foul prone. His D-Raptor this year was +2.5 and last year was +2.9, which is really impressive and better than quite a few well-known defenders, and he's trusted by both coaches and teammates to defend high-level offensive players

I've watched him many times.  I frequently see him standing around looking completely lost like he has no idea where he is.

Hardly a convincing argument

Neither is Langford's:

Net rating of -21 (worse on the Celtics roster by a LARGE margin - next worst is Grant Williams at -9)
Def Rating of 116 (worst on the Celtics roster, tied with Carsen Edwards and Semi Ojeleye with )
Box Plus/minus of -5
RPM of -4.55 RPM (ranked 115/116 among all NBA guards)
Defensive RPM of -1.72 (ranked 86/116 among all NBA guards)

One or two decent games out of an 70+ game season does not a starter make...

[Muzzy66]

This will be one of Brad’s major decisions as President. Evan would certainly want a more defined role before committing to the team. If Kemba can be convinced to be a super 6th man then maybe Evan could be a starting SG with Smart as PG?

I want Romeo starting and both Kemba and Fournier coming off the bench, but you can’t have $50 million committed to your top 2 reserves, so that isn’t happening.

I can't think of any reason why you would start Romeo over Kemba and Fournier.  Kemba is a multi-time All star.  Fournier is a good starter and international star.  Langford is a scrub who's shown zero indication to me that he will ever be a legit NBA player, let alone a starter.

I’d start him over Kemba because I think it’s very problematic to have a starter who is going to need to rest 15+ games next year, excluding any additional injury he suffers.  It’s less disruptive to the rotation/rhythm of the team if he’s coming off the bench.

As for Fournier, he gets hunted on defense and is too inconsistent on offense.  I don’t expect him to stick around, but if he does he’s again better bench material.

Romeo is ready for his Avery Bradley breakout year.  He showed flashes in May, and it’s coming.  He’s ready to start.

Are you really using injury history of all things  as a justification for starting Langford over Kemba?

How many games has Langford missed due to injury so far?

Also where dos the Avery Bradley comparison come from?  Bradley was an elite defender from the day he entered the league, then developed the rest of is game later.  Romeo so far can't even defend at a passable level.  At least not from what I've seen...

If Kemba Walker has a miraculous recovery such that he can perform at or near an All-Star level while playing every night, as opposed to needing to take off back-to-backs, of course he starts over Romeo.  That goes without saying.  But nothing we’ve seen since January 2020 indicates that is likely to be the case.

Romeo is a terrific defender.  He’s long, moves well, and unlike Nesmith doesn’t get caught reaching.  We saw it many times, but most recently in Game 5 he recorded 2 blocks and 2 steals vs. the Nets while committing only one foul.  He didn’t commit a single foul the game before that.  His shooting is still a work in progress, but he shot 35% from 3 this playoffs, which was just fine.  He’s a good secondary ball handler and knows how to get to the rim.

Healthy Kemba, sure, start him.  But that ship has sailed.

Problem is that 55 games of Kemba playing at 85% is still more valuable to the Celtics then 82 games of Langford playing at 130%...

Kemba with his injury issues averaged 19 PPG and had 5 games with 30+ points.  He was instrumental in leading Boston to numerous wins throughout the season in games were either Tatum or Brown (or both) either weren't active or didn't play well.

Romeo has won Boston precisely zero games, and it's hard to argue that he's even had a significant impact in more then maybe 2 or 3 games not just this season, but his entire NBA career.

And on top of this he's been chronically unhealthy from the day the Celtics drafted him.  He's played only 50 games across his first two seasons.  Kemba has played double that number of games (99) over the past two seasons.

So:
1. Kemba has been far superior to Langford
2. Kemba has contributed to far more wins then Langford
3. Kemba has been significantly less impacted by injuries then Langford

There is pretty much ZERO justification for starting Langford over Kemba unless you try to push the idea that Langford's length and defence would help the team more then Kemba's scoring and leadership, which I don't believe for a second. 

Don't get me wrong.  I know Kemba is not the perfect solution.  I know his health and missing of games is an issue. I know having to depend on him to be healthy is a big risk, and puts the team at a disadvantage. 

Totally get all of this. 

Replacing him with a prospect who misses twice as many games as Kemba, who is offensively garbage, and who has a hysterically bad net impact (worse net rating on the team and the second worst Real Plus/Minus in the entire league at his position)...is not the answer. 

Perhaps the answer is to get out there and try to find a good, dependable Point Guard / Combo Guard who isn't a massive drop off in talent from Kemba, who could have a major impact off the bench as a 6th man while also providing quality insurance as a backup so that the team can better sustain those nights when Kemba isn't able to suit up. 

[footey]

This will be one of Brad’s major decisions as President. Evan would certainly want a more defined role before committing to the team. If Kemba can be convinced to be a super 6th man then maybe Evan could be a starting SG with Smart as PG?

I want Romeo starting and both Kemba and Fournier coming off the bench, but you can’t have $50 million committed to your top 2 reserves, so that isn’t happening.

I can't think of any reason why you would start Romeo over Kemba and Fournier.  Kemba is a multi-time All star.  Fournier is a good starter and international star.  Langford is a scrub who's shown zero indication to me that he will ever be a legit NBA player, let alone a starter.

I’d start him over Kemba because I think it’s very problematic to have a starter who is going to need to rest 15+ games next year, excluding any additional injury he suffers.  It’s less disruptive to the rotation/rhythm of the team if he’s coming off the bench.

As for Fournier, he gets hunted on defense and is too inconsistent on offense.  I don’t expect him to stick around, but if he does he’s again better bench material.

Romeo is ready for his Avery Bradley breakout year.  He showed flashes in May, and it’s coming.  He’s ready to start.

Are you really using injury history of all things  as a justification for starting Langford over Kemba?

How many games has Langford missed due to injury so far?

Also where dos the Avery Bradley comparison come from?  Bradley was an elite defender from the day he entered the league, then developed the rest of is game later.  Romeo so far can't even defend at a passable level.  At least not from what I've seen...

I would suggest you're not paying much attention to him then.

His defensive positioning is elite. Lateral quickness, long wingspan, isn't foul prone. His D-Raptor this year was +2.5 and last year was +2.9, which is really impressive and better than quite a few well-known defenders, and he's trusted by both coaches and teammates to defend high-level offensive players

I've watched him many times.  I frequently see him standing around looking completely lost like he has no idea where he is.

Hardly a convincing argument

Neither is Langford's:

Net rating of -21 (worse on the Celtics roster by a LARGE margin - next worst is Grant Williams at -9)
Def Rating of 116 (worst on the Celtics roster, tied with Carsen Edwards and Semi Ojeleye with )
Box Plus/minus of -5
RPM of -4.55 RPM (ranked 115/116 among all NBA guards)
Defensive RPM of -1.72 (ranked 86/116 among all NBA guards)

One or two decent games out of an 70+ game season does not a starter make...

These stats are meaningless given the sample size. Langford clearly playing himself into a rotation position. Injuries have delayed his arrival is all.

[Muzzy66]

This will be one of Brad’s major decisions as President. Evan would certainly want a more defined role before committing to the team. If Kemba can be convinced to be a super 6th man then maybe Evan could be a starting SG with Smart as PG?

I want Romeo starting and both Kemba and Fournier coming off the bench, but you can’t have $50 million committed to your top 2 reserves, so that isn’t happening.

I can't think of any reason why you would start Romeo over Kemba and Fournier.  Kemba is a multi-time All star.  Fournier is a good starter and international star.  Langford is a scrub who's shown zero indication to me that he will ever be a legit NBA player, let alone a starter.

I’d start him over Kemba because I think it’s very problematic to have a starter who is going to need to rest 15+ games next year, excluding any additional injury he suffers.  It’s less disruptive to the rotation/rhythm of the team if he’s coming off the bench.

As for Fournier, he gets hunted on defense and is too inconsistent on offense.  I don’t expect him to stick around, but if he does he’s again better bench material.

Romeo is ready for his Avery Bradley breakout year.  He showed flashes in May, and it’s coming.  He’s ready to start.

Are you really using injury history of all things  as a justification for starting Langford over Kemba?

How many games has Langford missed due to injury so far?

Also where dos the Avery Bradley comparison come from?  Bradley was an elite defender from the day he entered the league, then developed the rest of is game later.  Romeo so far can't even defend at a passable level.  At least not from what I've seen...

I would suggest you're not paying much attention to him then.

His defensive positioning is elite. Lateral quickness, long wingspan, isn't foul prone. His D-Raptor this year was +2.5 and last year was +2.9, which is really impressive and better than quite a few well-known defenders, and he's trusted by both coaches and teammates to defend high-level offensive players

I've watched him many times.  I frequently see him standing around looking completely lost like he has no idea where he is.

Hardly a convincing argument

Neither is Langford's:

Net rating of -21 (worse on the Celtics roster by a LARGE margin - next worst is Grant Williams at -9)
Def Rating of 116 (worst on the Celtics roster, tied with Carsen Edwards and Semi Ojeleye with )
Box Plus/minus of -5
RPM of -4.55 RPM (ranked 115/116 among all NBA guards)
Defensive RPM of -1.72 (ranked 86/116 among all NBA guards)

One or two decent games out of an 70+ game season does not a starter make...

These stats are meaningless given the sample size. Langford clearly playing himself into a rotation position. Injuries have delayed his arrival is all.

If those stats are meaningless due to sample size then ALL stats we have on Langford are meaningless due to sample size.  In which case all you have to go off is subjective rhetoric, which is not especially useful. 

That he is "clearly playing himself into a rotation position" is not an evaluation I would be hesitant to agree with. 

Langford recorded DNP's in 6 of the Celtics last 15 games - that's 40% of their games in which he did not crack the rotation. 
 
In April he averaged 16 minutes a game over 13 games and averaged 2.5 points, 2.2 reb. 0.6 assists while shooting 31% from the field and 27% from three.

The Celtics were massively hobbled by injures over the past month and as a result Langford got some court time.  In most of those games he was horrible and had close to zero impact.  Lets not pretend this is something it isn't...

Simple fact is that Langford, right now, just isn't anything close to being a dependable impact player for this team.  End of story.  Maybe one day he could be, but right now, no.  Having an impact in three or four games in a 70+ game season is not what you expect from a starter.  It's what you expect from a complete scrubs like Carsen Edwards.

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This will be one of Brad’s major decisions as President. Evan would certainly want a more defined role before committing to the team. If Kemba can be convinced to be a super 6th man then maybe Evan could be a starting SG with Smart as PG?

I want Romeo starting and both Kemba and Fournier coming off the bench, but you can’t have $50 million committed to your top 2 reserves, so that isn’t happening.

I can't think of any reason why you would start Romeo over Kemba and Fournier.  Kemba is a multi-time All star.  Fournier is a good starter and international star.  Langford is a scrub who's shown zero indication to me that he will ever be a legit NBA player, let alone a starter.

I’d start him over Kemba because I think it’s very problematic to have a starter who is going to need to rest 15+ games next year, excluding any additional injury he suffers.  It’s less disruptive to the rotation/rhythm of the team if he’s coming off the bench.

As for Fournier, he gets hunted on defense and is too inconsistent on offense.  I don’t expect him to stick around, but if he does he’s again better bench material.

Romeo is ready for his Avery Bradley breakout year.  He showed flashes in May, and it’s coming.  He’s ready to start.

Are you really using injury history of all things  as a justification for starting Langford over Kemba?

How many games has Langford missed due to injury so far?

Also where dos the Avery Bradley comparison come from?  Bradley was an elite defender from the day he entered the league, then developed the rest of is game later.  Romeo so far can't even defend at a passable level.  At least not from what I've seen...

I would suggest you're not paying much attention to him then.

His defensive positioning is elite. Lateral quickness, long wingspan, isn't foul prone. His D-Raptor this year was +2.5 and last year was +2.9, which is really impressive and better than quite a few well-known defenders, and he's trusted by both coaches and teammates to defend high-level offensive players

I've watched him many times.  I frequently see him standing around looking completely lost like he has no idea where he is.

Hardly a convincing argument

Neither is Langford's:

Net rating of -21 (worse on the Celtics roster by a LARGE margin - next worst is Grant Williams at -9)
Def Rating of 116 (worst on the Celtics roster, tied with Carsen Edwards and Semi Ojeleye with )
Box Plus/minus of -5
RPM of -4.55 RPM (ranked 115/116 among all NBA guards)
Defensive RPM of -1.72 (ranked 86/116 among all NBA guards)

One or two decent games out of an 70+ game season does not a starter make...

Using flawed metrics in spite of ones with merit is not too flash