Pascal Siakam: overlooked trade target?

[slamtheking]

Best I could come up with is a 3 team trade

Boston - Siakam, Beverley
Los Angeles - Walker, Thompson
Toronto - Smart, Morris, Zubac, Nesmith, Bos 21, Bos 22, Bos 24 (top 4)

Not sure that is good enough a package, but I don't think much else makes a lot of sense for any of the teams.

good enough?  amazed you didn't offer up Tatum's first born, Deuce, to pile on that overpayment.

Siakam was really exposed in last year's playoffs.  he's basically a third banana on a good team like Kemba and he'd be behind Tatum and Brown in the wing depth chart. 

[Kiorrik]

Hope that C’s back into a decent draft slot and maybe get goof value out of that asset.  I think trading Nesmith now is a low sell.  He may be a special player.  He plays long for his height, hustles, boards, defends, and has offensive talent.   He may turn out to be a great asset as C’s look to next year’s trade deadline. 

I think fans have to recalibrate.  Many (me included) thought C’s were on the cusp. Regaining patience might be the best thing fans can do.  3 years rather than next year.

I'm in this boat as well.

Also, from what I've seen, Siakam is yet another player you give the ball and "let him do stuff". Just like Brown. Just like Tatum.

Too similar, imo. I prefer having Kemba because he brings something different to the table.

I'd like to see our team percolate/marinate a bit. Let them develop as a squad. A year or two worth of experience can make a huge difference, especially when adding in those rooks and possible future picks.

I feel like if we'd trade our squad now, we'd be quite upset if they'd turn into Westbrook/Durant/Harden 3 years from now.

[Somebody]

Hope that C’s back into a decent draft slot and maybe get goof value out of that asset.  I think trading Nesmith now is a low sell.  He may be a special player.  He plays long for his height, hustles, boards, defends, and has offensive talent.   He may turn out to be a great asset as C’s look to next year’s trade deadline. 

I think fans have to recalibrate.  Many (me included) thought C’s were on the cusp. Regaining patience might be the best thing fans can do.  3 years rather than next year.

I'm in this boat as well.

Also, from what I've seen, Siakam is yet another player you give the ball and "let him do stuff". Just like Brown. Just like Tatum.

Too similar, imo. I prefer having Kemba because he brings something different to the table.

I'd like to see our team percolate/marinate a bit. Let them develop as a squad. A year or two worth of experience can make a huge difference, especially when adding in those rooks and possible future picks.

I feel like if we'd trade our squad now, we'd be quite upset if they'd turn into Westbrook/Durant/Harden 3 years from now.

You must have seen very little of Siakam then, he's the perfect on/off-ball hybrid next to on-ball stars. He's very decisive and quick whenever he catches the ball as a secondary or tertiary star, which creates a sort of low viscosity offence that gives a team a synergistic boost on that end of the floor.

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[Somebody]

Best I could come up with is a 3 team trade

Boston - Siakam, Beverley
Los Angeles - Walker, Thompson
Toronto - Smart, Morris, Zubac, Nesmith, Bos 21, Bos 22, Bos 24 (top 4)

Not sure that is good enough a package, but I don't think much else makes a lot of sense for any of the teams.

good enough?  amazed you didn't offer up Tatum's first born, Deuce, to pile on that overpayment.

Siakam was really exposed in last year's playoffs.  he's basically a third banana on a good team like Kemba and he'd be behind Tatum and Brown in the wing depth chart.

He also can be a really good secondary guy or even the primary guy on elite defences, which can drive championship level teams. His overall impact is that of a star (even though I do agree that Smart, Nesmith and three 1sts is a massive overpay for him).

[Moranis]

Best I could come up with is a 3 team trade

Boston - Siakam, Beverley
Los Angeles - Walker, Thompson
Toronto - Smart, Morris, Zubac, Nesmith, Bos 21, Bos 22, Bos 24 (top 4)

Not sure that is good enough a package, but I don't think much else makes a lot of sense for any of the teams.

good enough?  amazed you didn't offer up Tatum's first born, Deuce, to pile on that overpayment.

Siakam was really exposed in last year's playoffs.  he's basically a third banana on a good team like Kemba and he'd be behind Tatum and Brown in the wing depth chart.

He also can be a really good secondary guy or even the primary guy on elite defences, which can drive championship level teams. His overall impact is that of a star (even though I do agree that Smart, Nesmith and three 1sts is a massive overpay for him).

That isn't much of anything value wise.  Look at this way, if someone offered us that package for Brown, what would the response be?

And I get that Brown is a slightly better player than Siakam, but they aren't that far apart and Siakam has actually made an All NBA 2nd Team.  I just think you guys are either seriously underrating Siakam or seriously overrating that package of players. 

[Vermont Green]

Best I could come up with is a 3 team trade

Boston - Siakam, Beverley
Los Angeles - Walker, Thompson
Toronto - Smart, Morris, Zubac, Nesmith, Bos 21, Bos 22, Bos 24 (top 4)

Not sure that is good enough a package, but I don't think much else makes a lot of sense for any of the teams.

good enough?  amazed you didn't offer up Tatum's first born, Deuce, to pile on that overpayment.

Siakam was really exposed in last year's playoffs.  he's basically a third banana on a good team like Kemba and he'd be behind Tatum and Brown in the wing depth chart.

 

I agree that the full 3-way is too much. But the Boston - Clipps part is a good start.  Say we traded Walker and Thompson to Clipps for Morris, Beverley, and Zubac.  That part seems to work.

Then we have to figure out what to send to Toronto to get Siakam.  Zubac would be of interest to them and maybe they take expiring Beverley to help bolster salary but then we do need to add to this to interest Toronto.  Smart may need to be in this mix and maybe this year's pick.

I think if we go much more than that, it starts to not work for us.  Summary:

Boston:    Morris, Siakam
Clipps:     Walker, Thompson
Rapts:     Zubac, Beverley, Smart, Bos 2021 1st

Even in this scenario, we end up with two pretty big contracts each with 3 years remaining but I think it makes the team better, gives us some much needed size.  And the hope is that the new scenery allows Siakam to thrive and become a top end PF.

[Moranis]

Best I could come up with is a 3 team trade

Boston - Siakam, Beverley
Los Angeles - Walker, Thompson
Toronto - Smart, Morris, Zubac, Nesmith, Bos 21, Bos 22, Bos 24 (top 4)

Not sure that is good enough a package, but I don't think much else makes a lot of sense for any of the teams.

good enough?  amazed you didn't offer up Tatum's first born, Deuce, to pile on that overpayment.

Siakam was really exposed in last year's playoffs.  he's basically a third banana on a good team like Kemba and he'd be behind Tatum and Brown in the wing depth chart.

 

I agree that the full 3-way is too much. But the Boston - Clipps part is a good start.  Say we traded Walker and Thompson to Clipps for Morris, Beverley, and Zubac.  That part seems to work.

Then we have to figure out what to send to Toronto to get Siakam.  Zubac would be of interest to them and maybe they take expiring Beverley to help bolster salary but then we do need to add to this to interest Toronto.  Smart may need to be in this mix and maybe this year's pick.

I think if we go much more than that, it starts to not work for us.  Summary:

Boston:    Morris, Siakam
Clipps:     Walker, Thompson
Rapts:     Zubac, Beverley, Smart, Bos 2021 1st

Even in this scenario, we end up with two pretty big contracts each with 3 years remaining but I think it makes the team better, gives us some much needed size.  And the hope is that the new scenery allows Siakam to thrive and become a top end PF.

So who is Boston's PG in that scenario, and why on earth would Toronto do that trade?  It is a horrid trade for a guy that was 2nd Team All NBA last year and is basically averaging 21.5/7/4.5 who hasn't hit his peak and is signed long term. 

You guys are seriously underestimating Siakam's value.  Now maybe you'd rather keep some mid to late 1st round picks then use them on Siakam, I just don't see the point in that.  He is a legit all star.  He is young.  He is signed long term.  He plays a position of need.  He literally checks all of the boxes that this team needs.  He isn't going to be traded for that platter of mediocrity that you are proposing. 

[Csfan1984]

Pass,

Tatum is good at the 4 can play the 3 based on match up. Brown usually covers the harder assignment of 3 or 4. What role would Siakam provide if he isn't a Center, unless you see Siakam mostly at the 5? For me that is a waste of investment.

[Vermont Green]

Best I could come up with is a 3 team trade

Boston - Siakam, Beverley
Los Angeles - Walker, Thompson
Toronto - Smart, Morris, Zubac, Nesmith, Bos 21, Bos 22, Bos 24 (top 4)

Not sure that is good enough a package, but I don't think much else makes a lot of sense for any of the teams.

good enough?  amazed you didn't offer up Tatum's first born, Deuce, to pile on that overpayment.

Siakam was really exposed in last year's playoffs.  he's basically a third banana on a good team like Kemba and he'd be behind Tatum and Brown in the wing depth chart.

 

I agree that the full 3-way is too much. But the Boston - Clipps part is a good start.  Say we traded Walker and Thompson to Clipps for Morris, Beverley, and Zubac.  That part seems to work.

Then we have to figure out what to send to Toronto to get Siakam.  Zubac would be of interest to them and maybe they take expiring Beverley to help bolster salary but then we do need to add to this to interest Toronto.  Smart may need to be in this mix and maybe this year's pick.

I think if we go much more than that, it starts to not work for us.  Summary:

Boston:    Morris, Siakam
Clipps:     Walker, Thompson
Rapts:     Zubac, Beverley, Smart, Bos 2021 1st

Even in this scenario, we end up with two pretty big contracts each with 3 years remaining but I think it makes the team better, gives us some much needed size.  And the hope is that the new scenery allows Siakam to thrive and become a top end PF.

So who is Boston's PG in that scenario, and why on earth would Toronto do that trade?  It is a horrid trade for a guy that was 2nd Team All NBA last year and is basically averaging 21.5/7/4.5 who hasn't hit his peak and is signed long term. 

You guys are seriously underestimating Siakam's value.  Now maybe you'd rather keep some mid to late 1st round picks then use them on Siakam, I just don't see the point in that.  He is a legit all star.  He is young.  He is signed long term.  He plays a position of need.  He literally checks all of the boxes that this team needs.  He isn't going to be traded for that platter of mediocrity that you are proposing.

In your trade, you have Toronto taking on Morris instead of Beverley.  Morris would have 3 years left, Beverley 1.  I don't see Toronto wanting to take Morris and that contract.  That is part of why your version has to add so many picks.  I would rather just keep Morris (he is useful for us), not send so many pick/assets, and figure out the PG outside of this deal.  Beverley is not great answer at PG either.  I think we could find a way to get a PG comparable to Beverley outside of this deal.

I am not sure Toronto would do this either but maybe that just means there is no deal to be had.  We just don't have the right combination of things to get it done without overpaying.  And that isn't just about Siakam, in your deal, we are sending picks to get them to take on Morris' contract.

[Somebody]

Best I could come up with is a 3 team trade

Boston - Siakam, Beverley
Los Angeles - Walker, Thompson
Toronto - Smart, Morris, Zubac, Nesmith, Bos 21, Bos 22, Bos 24 (top 4)

Not sure that is good enough a package, but I don't think much else makes a lot of sense for any of the teams.

good enough?  amazed you didn't offer up Tatum's first born, Deuce, to pile on that overpayment.

Siakam was really exposed in last year's playoffs.  he's basically a third banana on a good team like Kemba and he'd be behind Tatum and Brown in the wing depth chart.

He also can be a really good secondary guy or even the primary guy on elite defences, which can drive championship level teams. His overall impact is that of a star (even though I do agree that Smart, Nesmith and three 1sts is a massive overpay for him).

That isn't much of anything value wise.  Look at this way, if someone offered us that package for Brown, what would the response be?

And I get that Brown is a slightly better player than Siakam, but they aren't that far apart and Siakam has actually made an All NBA 2nd Team.  I just think you guys are either seriously underrating Siakam or seriously overrating that package of players.

Brown's more than 2 years younger than Siakam and is on a bargain contract as a largely similar player right now, but I'd still consider it even though I think his value is considerably higher than that of Siakam's. Considering that Toronto are receiving Zubac as well, I think I'd trade Brown if they offered Smart, Zubac, Nesmith and 3 1sts for him and I was looking to rebuild.

[Moranis]

Best I could come up with is a 3 team trade

Boston - Siakam, Beverley
Los Angeles - Walker, Thompson
Toronto - Smart, Morris, Zubac, Nesmith, Bos 21, Bos 22, Bos 24 (top 4)

Not sure that is good enough a package, but I don't think much else makes a lot of sense for any of the teams.

good enough?  amazed you didn't offer up Tatum's first born, Deuce, to pile on that overpayment.

Siakam was really exposed in last year's playoffs.  he's basically a third banana on a good team like Kemba and he'd be behind Tatum and Brown in the wing depth chart.

He also can be a really good secondary guy or even the primary guy on elite defences, which can drive championship level teams. His overall impact is that of a star (even though I do agree that Smart, Nesmith and three 1sts is a massive overpay for him).

That isn't much of anything value wise.  Look at this way, if someone offered us that package for Brown, what would the response be?

And I get that Brown is a slightly better player than Siakam, but they aren't that far apart and Siakam has actually made an All NBA 2nd Team.  I just think you guys are either seriously underrating Siakam or seriously overrating that package of players.

Brown's more than 2 years younger than Siakam and is on a bargain contract as a largely similar player right now, but I'd still consider it even though I think his value is considerably higher than that of Siakam's. Considering that Toronto are receiving Zubac as well, I think I'd trade Brown if they offered Smart, Zubac, Nesmith and 3 1sts for him and I was looking to rebuild.

I'd consider that as well, though probably wouldn't trade Brown for that (as Brown is better than Siakam), but that is the point I'm making.  That is the type of offer it would take for Toronto to move Siakam.  It isn't a massive overpay as you called and it certainly isn't the garbage other people are suggesting. 

[Moranis]

Best I could come up with is a 3 team trade

Boston - Siakam, Beverley
Los Angeles - Walker, Thompson
Toronto - Smart, Morris, Zubac, Nesmith, Bos 21, Bos 22, Bos 24 (top 4)

Not sure that is good enough a package, but I don't think much else makes a lot of sense for any of the teams.

good enough?  amazed you didn't offer up Tatum's first born, Deuce, to pile on that overpayment.

Siakam was really exposed in last year's playoffs.  he's basically a third banana on a good team like Kemba and he'd be behind Tatum and Brown in the wing depth chart.

 

I agree that the full 3-way is too much. But the Boston - Clipps part is a good start.  Say we traded Walker and Thompson to Clipps for Morris, Beverley, and Zubac.  That part seems to work.

Then we have to figure out what to send to Toronto to get Siakam.  Zubac would be of interest to them and maybe they take expiring Beverley to help bolster salary but then we do need to add to this to interest Toronto.  Smart may need to be in this mix and maybe this year's pick.

I think if we go much more than that, it starts to not work for us.  Summary:

Boston:    Morris, Siakam
Clipps:     Walker, Thompson
Rapts:     Zubac, Beverley, Smart, Bos 2021 1st

Even in this scenario, we end up with two pretty big contracts each with 3 years remaining but I think it makes the team better, gives us some much needed size.  And the hope is that the new scenery allows Siakam to thrive and become a top end PF.

So who is Boston's PG in that scenario, and why on earth would Toronto do that trade?  It is a horrid trade for a guy that was 2nd Team All NBA last year and is basically averaging 21.5/7/4.5 who hasn't hit his peak and is signed long term. 

You guys are seriously underestimating Siakam's value.  Now maybe you'd rather keep some mid to late 1st round picks then use them on Siakam, I just don't see the point in that.  He is a legit all star.  He is young.  He is signed long term.  He plays a position of need.  He literally checks all of the boxes that this team needs.  He isn't going to be traded for that platter of mediocrity that you are proposing.

In your trade, you have Toronto taking on Morris instead of Beverley.  Morris would have 3 years left, Beverley 1.  I don't see Toronto wanting to take Morris and that contract.  That is part of why your version has to add so many picks.  I would rather just keep Morris (he is useful for us), not send so many pick/assets, and figure out the PG outside of this deal.  Beverley is not great answer at PG either.  I think we could find a way to get a PG comparable to Beverley outside of this deal.

I am not sure Toronto would do this either but maybe that just means there is no deal to be had.  We just don't have the right combination of things to get it done without overpaying.  And that isn't just about Siakam, in your deal, we are sending picks to get them to take on Morris' contract.

No, I had 3 1st round picks because that is what it will take to acquire Siakam.  Not a poo poo platter of mediocrity.  Smart, Zubac, a mid 1st, and an expiring contract is a garbage offer.  It is ridiculous for a player of Siakam's value. 

And I actually think Toronto would want Morris as I don't think Toronto would go into tank mode as they have too many good players to outright tank.  VanVleet, Smart, Boucher, OG, Trent, Powell, Johnson, Bembry plus potentially Lowry coming back and vets like Baynes, Hood, etc.  Toronto had a lot of injuries and roster inconsistency this year, but even if they moved Siakam they aren't going to tank as they just have too many good (but not great) players.  Morris just makes a lot more sense for them than Beverley as Morris can fill in the Siakam role (not as well of course). 

[Rikibellevie]

Gobert last year... Siakam this year, it is fantasy, improbable targets, unfortunately. Cause he is exactly what we need and we could live with a passer PG and a defensive big with one of the best 3 wings all time. But I guess Toronto may also believe they can be a much better team next year, even if I don't see them compete again for the top 4... They won't turn in full rebuild, not saying Smart is useless in a rebuilding team.
And for the price ,I would give Smart, Kemba and 3 first but no Nesmith, who may turn in a good rookie contract and in a good player sooner than later.