Pascal Siakam: overlooked trade target?

[PhoSita]

I don't see a way you get Siakam without trading Tatum or Brown, and I'm not interested in Siakam as anything other than a 3rd option.

[Moranis]

Best I could come up with is a 3 team trade

Boston - Siakam, Beverley
Los Angeles - Walker, Thompson
Toronto - Smart, Morris, Zubac, Nesmith, Bos 21, Bos 22, Bos 24 (top 4)

Not sure that is good enough a package, but I don't think much else makes a lot of sense for any of the teams.

Doubt the Clippers would be interested in that return.

So the Cs are relying on PP as their only point guard and the oft-injured Time Lord as their only center? And we would trade our picks and only promising wing depth? I don’t see this as a good idea.

Beverley is a PG. 

[Moranis]

Best I could come up with is a 3 team trade

Boston - Siakam, Beverley
Los Angeles - Walker, Thompson
Toronto - Smart, Morris, Zubac, Nesmith, Bos 21, Bos 22, Bos 24 (top 4)

Not sure that is good enough a package, but I don't think much else makes a lot of sense for any of the teams.

Doubt the Clippers would be interested in that return.

Walker and Thompson for Beverley, Morris, and Zubac seems like a reasonable trade.  Walker is the best player in that trade and Thompson would be fine there as a championship pedigree center and I think they can replace Morris (or at least most of what he provides) for much cheaper.

[Moranis]

Best I could come up with is a 3 team trade

Boston - Siakam, Beverley
Los Angeles - Walker, Thompson
Toronto - Smart, Morris, Zubac, Nesmith, Bos 21, Bos 22, Bos 24 (top 4)

Not sure that is good enough a package, but I don't think much else makes a lot of sense for any of the teams.

I agree that type of package would be a fair return for Siakam. The question would be could our core of Tatum/Brown/ Siakam compete for titles. That package would effectively limit our ability to change the roster going forward. I'm not sure that core is good enough.

Not sure if that is a true championship caliber team, but it is certainly much closer and has a significantly longer window. 

[Moranis]

I don't see a way you get Siakam without trading Tatum or Brown, and I'm not interested in Siakam as anything other than a 3rd option.

Siakam is the worst player of the 3, so that wouldn't be a realistic ask by Toronto.  That said unless they want a bunch of draft picks and Smart/Nesmith there isn't a trade to be made.

[Vermont Green]

Walker and Thompson for Beverley, Morris, and Zubac seems like a reasonable trade.  Walker is the best player in that trade and Thompson would be fine there as a championship pedigree center and I think they can replace Morris (or at least most of what he provides) for much cheaper.

I agree with that part as an example of a reasonable trade for Walker.  Walker could help the Clipps.  We shed some salary over time for some useful but not great players.

Now to get Siakam, I am not sure if this helps much.  Morris and Beverley are decent vet depth players that could help us but not sure what Toronto would be looking for in return for a good young player.  Zubac is a decent young prospect but not enough for them to give up Siakam.

Siakam in theory is just what we need.  A PF with some skill.  In theory, a perfect complement to Tatum and Brown.  I am just not sure how good he really is.  He has been up and down.

[wdleehi]

Walker and Thompson for Beverley, Morris, and Zubac seems like a reasonable trade.  Walker is the best player in that trade and Thompson would be fine there as a championship pedigree center and I think they can replace Morris (or at least most of what he provides) for much cheaper.

I agree with that part as an example of a reasonable trade for Walker.  Walker could help the Clipps.  We shed some salary over time for some useful but not great players.

Now to get Siakam, I am not sure if this helps much.  Morris and Beverley are decent vet depth players that could help us but not sure what Toronto would be looking for in return for a good young player.  Zubac is a decent young prospect but not enough for them to give up Siakam.

Siakam in theory is just what we need.  A PF with some skill.  In theory, a perfect complement to Tatum and Brown.  I am just not sure how good he really is.  He has been up and down.

I think the better third team would be the Knicks who may be willing to give something up to add Walker and have caps space to do it.

[Moranis]

Walker and Thompson for Beverley, Morris, and Zubac seems like a reasonable trade.  Walker is the best player in that trade and Thompson would be fine there as a championship pedigree center and I think they can replace Morris (or at least most of what he provides) for much cheaper.

I agree with that part as an example of a reasonable trade for Walker.  Walker could help the Clipps.  We shed some salary over time for some useful but not great players.

Now to get Siakam, I am not sure if this helps much.  Morris and Beverley are decent vet depth players that could help us but not sure what Toronto would be looking for in return for a good young player.  Zubac is a decent young prospect but not enough for them to give up Siakam.

Siakam in theory is just what we need.  A PF with some skill.  In theory, a perfect complement to Tatum and Brown.  I am just not sure how good he really is.  He has been up and down.

I proposed a 3 team in the thread that I think might work for the Clippers, C's, and Raptors.

[A Future of Stevens]

Best I could come up with is a 3 team trade

Boston - Siakam, Beverley
Los Angeles - Walker, Thompson
Toronto - Smart, Morris, Zubac, Nesmith, Bos 21, Bos 22, Bos 24 (top 4)

Not sure that is good enough a package, but I don't think much else makes a lot of sense for any of the teams.

I agree that type of package would be a fair return for Siakam. The question would be could our core of Tatum/Brown/ Siakam compete for titles. That package would effectively limit our ability to change the roster going forward. I'm not sure that core is good enough.

Not sure if that is a true championship caliber team, but it is certainly much closer and has a significantly longer window.

It may be one of those situations where you have to do it, and figure it out later. Our talent after the trade would be obviously better than before. Siakam/ Brown would both be a great 2nd/ 3rd option. The question would be if the ball moves enough. Good problems to have though.

[jambr380]

Walker and Thompson for Beverley, Morris, and Zubac seems like a reasonable trade.  Walker is the best player in that trade and Thompson would be fine there as a championship pedigree center and I think they can replace Morris (or at least most of what he provides) for much cheaper.

I agree with that part as an example of a reasonable trade for Walker.  Walker could help the Clipps.  We shed some salary over time for some useful but not great players.

Now to get Siakam, I am not sure if this helps much.  Morris and Beverley are decent vet depth players that could help us but not sure what Toronto would be looking for in return for a good young player.  Zubac is a decent young prospect but not enough for them to give up Siakam.

Siakam in theory is just what we need.  A PF with some skill.  In theory, a perfect complement to Tatum and Brown.  I am just not sure how good he really is.  He has been up and down.

I proposed a 3 team in the thread that I think might work for the Clippers, C's, and Raptors.

I'm just not sure the Cs do this. Is Siakam even better than Kemba? If so, it's not by a wide margin. Adding Smart, Nesmith, TT, and 3 1sts just seems like overkill. I guess we get back Beverley, but he might be the worst player in the deal. Maybe you are just trying to clear as many good - but not great - players from our roster as possible.

I am somebody who actually likes Siakam, but I don't really see how making this trade improves our team.

[Celtics4ever]

I would do that trade in heartbeat but TOR would not.

I think Siakam would be great as long as he is not your primary option.

Is Siakam even better than Kemba?

Definitely on a back to back he would be better.

[Vermont Green]

I would do that trade in heartbeat but TOR would not.

I think Siakam would be great as long as he is not your primary option.

Is Siakam even better than Kemba?

Definitely on a back to back he would be better.

Nice, yes he has Kemba beat in that regard.  As far as who is better, to me that is only part of the equation.  We have a much greater need for a PF than a shoot first PG.  Even if they are equal (however you might measure that) we would come out ahead.

Instead of wondering if Siakam is better than Kemba, I wonder how Siakam rates as compared to Collins or Markkanen or Randle?  Just how good is he compared to other PFs?

[Moranis]

Walker and Thompson for Beverley, Morris, and Zubac seems like a reasonable trade.  Walker is the best player in that trade and Thompson would be fine there as a championship pedigree center and I think they can replace Morris (or at least most of what he provides) for much cheaper.

I agree with that part as an example of a reasonable trade for Walker.  Walker could help the Clipps.  We shed some salary over time for some useful but not great players.

Now to get Siakam, I am not sure if this helps much.  Morris and Beverley are decent vet depth players that could help us but not sure what Toronto would be looking for in return for a good young player.  Zubac is a decent young prospect but not enough for them to give up Siakam.

Siakam in theory is just what we need.  A PF with some skill.  In theory, a perfect complement to Tatum and Brown.  I am just not sure how good he really is.  He has been up and down.

I proposed a 3 team in the thread that I think might work for the Clippers, C's, and Raptors.

I'm just not sure the Cs do this. Is Siakam even better than Kemba? If so, it's not by a wide margin. Adding Smart, Nesmith, TT, and 3 1sts just seems like overkill. I guess we get back Beverley, but he might be the worst player in the deal. Maybe you are just trying to clear as many good - but not great - players from our roster as possible.

I am somebody who actually likes Siakam, but I don't really see how making this trade improves our team.

I absolutely think Siakam is the best player in that trade and don't really think it is all that debatable.  He obviously is a different position than Kemba, but he just does more and isn't the defensive liability.  I also believe Boston is choosing between Smart and Fournier, and since Founier is expiring and Smart is not it makes way more sense to trade Smart somewhere.  Siakam just turned 27, he signed 3 more years.  He is averaging 21.4 p, 7.2 r, 4.5 a.  He is a true PF, something Boston hasn't had in years, allowing Tatum to play at his best position (SF) full time. 

And everyone just thinks Beverley is a throw in.  He isn't.  Beverley is basically the definition of 3 and D player.  I think he'd thrive in Boston on that sort of team in that role.  He is older of course and isn't the long term answer at PG, but perhaps Pritchard is.  Until PP is ready, you have a solid quality veteran that doesn't need the ball in his hand to be successful. 

Post Trade

PG - Beverley, Pritchard, Edwards
SG - Brown, Fournier, Langford
SF - Tatum, Semi
PF - Siakam, Parker, G. Williams
C - R. Williams, Kornet

2 open roster spots - obviously at least 1 more center is needed

Playoff Rotation - Beverley, Pritchard, Brown, Fournier, Tatum, Siakam, R. Williams (with a big man F.A.)

That trade to me clears up a lot of the roster issues and gives Boston a legit 3rd star that is more in line with the Tatum/Brown window.  And to get Siakam without Brown or Tatum, Boston is absolutely going to have to give up Smart, Nesmith, and a bunch of 1st's because that is basically all Boston has to offer and Walker has to go out to really make it work salary wise.  I don't think Toronto wants Walker, but do think they could use Morris as a lesser version of Siakam, plus added a quality center in Zubac. 

That trade makes a lot of sense to me for all 3 teams (especially if the Clippers flame out of the playoffs again and feel they need to do something). 

[Neurotic Guy]

Hope that C’s back into a decent draft slot and maybe get goof value out of that asset.  I think trading Nesmith now is a low sell.  He may be a special player.  He plays long for his height, hustles, boards, defends, and has offensive talent.   He may turn out to be a great asset as C’s look to next year’s trade deadline. 

I think fans have to recalibrate.  Many (me included) thought C’s were on the cusp. Regaining patience might be the best thing fans can do.  3 years rather than next year. 

[tstorey_97]

Agree with neurotic guy.

Another point is Nesmith. No problem including him in a deal if the player we get fills a major spot that gets the J's to a title in a couple of years.

If it's a transitional move no, we already have two years of guys who aren't getting us to the finals.

If Nesmith can grow next year, Ainge could get the elusive PF-frontcourt help we've been looking for with Nesmith and expiring shenanigans.

I like Siakam's game. I agree he is not in the perfect spot in Toronto, but that's a tough trade match up. The end of next season might be easier.

Keep the trade talk coming...watching this team now is freaking horrible.