Robert Williams has 6th highest PER in NBA

[footey]

Thought the above was noteworthy.

1. Joker
2. Freak
3. Zion
4. Kawhi
5. Curry
6. Rob
7. Butler
8. Luka

Speaks to how efficient he is, I suppose.

Any thoughts on this?

[PAOBoston]

A good example of stats are misleading sometimes.

[Moranis]

A good example of stats are misleading sometimes.

Why?  It is a measure of per-minute production and in that Robert Williams quite obviously does very well on a per-minute basis.

[Kiorrik]

A good example of stats are misleading sometimes.

Why?  It is a measure of per-minute production and in that Robert Williams quite obviously does very well on a per-minute basis.

I'd be speculating about what PAO meant, but I'd say this about his injuries.

Stats can be great, but if you're only available for 30 games per season ... they don't paint the whole picture.

[Somebody]

A good example of stats are misleading sometimes.

Why?  It is a measure of per-minute production and in that Robert Williams quite obviously does very well on a per-minute basis.

It's one of the worst metrics attempting to approximate per-minute production though. Williams obviously does very well in other metrics as well, but PER is not something anyone should refer to when trying to evaluate a player's production.

[Kernewek]

A good example of stats are misleading sometimes.

Why?  It is a measure of per-minute production and in that Robert Williams quite obviously does very well on a per-minute basis.

It's one of the worst metrics attempting to approximate per-minute production though. Williams obviously does very well in other metrics as well, but PER is not something anyone should refer to when trying to evaluate a player's production.

Entirely correct.

[gouki88]

A good example of stats are misleading sometimes.

Why?  It is a measure of per-minute production and in that Robert Williams quite obviously does very well on a per-minute basis.

It's one of the worst metrics attempting to approximate per-minute production though. Williams obviously does very well in other metrics as well, but PER is not something anyone should refer to when trying to evaluate a player's production.

Yeah, PER isn't too flash but Timelord looks pretty good across basically all metrics that it competes with. Just need him to stay healthy!

[Somebody]

A good example of stats are misleading sometimes.

Why?  It is a measure of per-minute production and in that Robert Williams quite obviously does very well on a per-minute basis.

It's one of the worst metrics attempting to approximate per-minute production though. Williams obviously does very well in other metrics as well, but PER is not something anyone should refer to when trying to evaluate a player's production.

Yeah, PER isn't too flash but Timelord looks pretty good across basically all metrics that it competes with. Just need him to stay healthy!

Adjusted +/- metrics are actually a bit mixed about him. RAPTOR isn't high on him - he has a +0.7 ORAPTOR and -0.7 DRAPTOR, but LEBRON by bball index thinks that he's a good role player with a +0.42 O-LEBRON AND +1.30 D-RAPTOR while EPM (best APM metric out there nowadays imo) absolutely loves him: he's in the 86th percentile in O-EPM and the 94th percentile in D-EPM, good for 90th in the league when adjusted for minutes played + pace (he hasn't played a lot due to injuries and stuff this season, so he'd be a 'top 60 player' if he played 20-25 MPG for an entire season).

[Vermont Green]

This seems like an anomaly for some reason.  Robert Williams is simply not that good.  I am not sure he is even more valuable than Tristan Thompson.  To me, Williams is a solid rotation player who is a fringe starter.  Certainly could start on many teams, others he wouldn't.

He doesn't quite have the skills to play as a PF and doesn't quite have the size and bulk to play as a center against some of truly big centers.  He does have a nice feel for the game which leads to nice dunks and blocks.  He is part of our serviceable center 1-2 punch and does provide a nice contribution in that role.

I like RWill.  He has worked hard to develop to the point he has.  He has been fun to watch and root for.  But if the PER stat is suggesting he is a top player in the league, even for the limited minutes that he does play, there is something amiss with the calculation.

[SHAQATTACK]

other than dealing with the giant body of Embiid,  Robert seems to at least hold his own or impact the game in a positive way when he is on the court.   When the Celtics have a True big man ,  on the court with skills they flourish.    Danny shops low budget for his bigs ,  which in my minds backwards . Buying old worn outs and undersized guys .

Robert is a good guy with great b ball IQ for as little as he has played in NBA.

But we need this type of impact for whole seasons ,  his unstable health won’t allow Celtics to reach potential missing huge stretches of games.  To much pressure on Tatum and Brown .

Danny needs to look around the league and get another set of fresh young legs in Rob s type.

[PAOBoston]

A good example of stats are misleading sometimes.

Why?  It is a measure of per-minute production and in that Robert Williams quite obviously does very well on a per-minute basis.

I'd be speculating about what PAO meant, but I'd say this about his injuries.

Stats can be great, but if you're only available for 30 games per season ... they don't paint the whole picture.

This is my point. It’s great that he is effective when he plays but the problem is he plays limited minutes and more importantly, plus limited games. He’ll never be a 30+ min player nor does it look like he can stay healthy for more than half a season.

[PhoSita]

I think Rob is similar in this regard to players like Javale McGee and Boban Marjanovic.  He's super productive and offensively efficient in limited minutes.

Still big questions as to whether he'll ever be able to hold up / avoid fouls enough to play more than 15-20 mpg.

[Moranis]

A good example of stats are misleading sometimes.

Why?  It is a measure of per-minute production and in that Robert Williams quite obviously does very well on a per-minute basis.

I'd be speculating about what PAO meant, but I'd say this about his injuries.

Stats can be great, but if you're only available for 30 games per season ... they don't paint the whole picture.

This is my point. It’s great that he is effective when he plays but the problem is he plays limited minutes and more importantly, plus limited games. He’ll never be a 30+ min player nor does it look like he can stay healthy for more than half a season.

The stat isn't misleading at all though.  It is a stat that measures per minute production. 

[PAOBoston]

A good example of stats are misleading sometimes.

Why?  It is a measure of per-minute production and in that Robert Williams quite obviously does very well on a per-minute basis.

I'd be speculating about what PAO meant, but I'd say this about his injuries.

Stats can be great, but if you're only available for 30 games per season ... they don't paint the whole picture.

This is my point. It’s great that he is effective when he plays but the problem is he plays limited minutes and more importantly, plus limited games. He’ll never be a 30+ min player nor does it look like he can stay healthy for more than half a season.

The stat isn't misleading at all though.  It is a stat that measures per minute production.

It is misleading because you’ll never get it over the course of the entire season. You can’t rely on a player that can’t play big minutes or get through half a season. Saying he has high efficiency when he plays like 20 mins a game is kind of pointless to me. It’s great that he’s effective in short bursts. But if he can’t play real starter minutes, it sort of belittles the stat, especially when you compare him to those other players.

[moiso]

  Not sure why posters are using the guy who is shooting 72% from the field and and squeezing tons of other types of production into 19 minutes a game as an example of PER being a flukey stat.  It's measuring exactly what it's supposed to measure.  Timelord isn't the 6th best player in the league, and PER doesn't claim that he is.