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E. Fournier vs A. Gordon
« on: April 12, 2021, 09:25:29 AM »

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Do people still feel like the C’s would have been better off adding Gordon over Fournier?

I like Gordon, but I feel as though he’s somewhat overrated. Wasn’t impressed with him yesterday and since joining Denver he’s been averaging 11.6ppg, 4.1reb, 2.5 ast while shooting 28.6% from 3pt and 68% from the line.

In 4 games with Boston Fournier is averaging 11.5 ppg, 1.8reb, 1.8ast while shooting 47.5% from 3pt and 75% from the line.

Obviously the sample size is small with Gordon playing 8 games with Denver and Fournier only playing 4 for the C’s, however, I believe Danny made the right decision considering the cost of both players and the fact that the C’s desperately needed another shooter with size.
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Re: E. Fournier vs A. Gordon
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2021, 09:32:30 AM »

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With what we gave up for Fournier and what we would have had to give up for Gordon, it is a no-brainer in favor of Fournier. Don't love using stats for their new teams with the sample size being so small. Fournier had about the worst ever first game a player could have.

I like Gordon, but do feel he is overrated. Fournier can be counted on as a go-to scorer, while the same can definitely not be said about Gordon. Fournier also has more size than I think people first thought. He can easily slide into a wing role, rather than just guard.

Of course it all depends on whether or not we re-sign Fournier, but if we do, it will have been a real steal.

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« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2021, 09:41:18 AM »

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fournier's the better shooter

since our main offensive philosophy is clearly to jack up as many 3's as quickly as possible, fournier's a better fit.


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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2021, 09:51:30 AM »

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He’s shooting 28% from 3 since joining Denver, but 70% from 2.  Denver had also won every game he’s played with them until last night.

He’s not a scorer like Fournier.  I liked him for the Celtics as a guy who could bring size and do a lot of things that don’t show up on a box score. 

And he’s signed for two more years at a reasonable rate.

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I have to say I like Fournier better. A dependable shooter opens up the court so much.
That's really something we needed. TPE well spent.

I give props to Ainge IF he resigns Fournier, because in the end I have Fournier > Turner or Gordon.
Good call by Nick, who advocated for Fournier since December.

However just like Gordon for the Nuggets, our new Frenchman should be starting eventually.

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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2021, 09:59:06 AM »

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He’s shooting 28% from 3 since joining Denver, but 70% from 2.  Denver had also won every game he’s played with them until last night.

He’s not a scorer like Fournier.  I liked him for the Celtics as a guy who could bring size and do a lot of things that don’t show up on a box score. 

And he’s signed for two more years at a reasonable rate.


Don’t get me wrong, I think that Gordon was a good pickup for Denver and he fits in nicely, but the 70% from 2 is because he’s getting dunks and layups. He’s either shooting a 3pt or taking it to the Rim. No midrange game to speak of and he seems to have a hitch in his shot.

Also, Gordon is an unrestricted free agent at the end of next season.
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Re: E. Fournier vs A. Gordon
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2021, 10:07:58 AM »

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Gordon plays and Fournier is a Twitter cheerleader. I'll go with Gordon.

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« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2021, 10:10:57 AM »

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He’s shooting 28% from 3 since joining Denver, but 70% from 2.  Denver had also won every game he’s played with them until last night.

He’s not a scorer like Fournier.  I liked him for the Celtics as a guy who could bring size and do a lot of things that don’t show up on a box score. 

And he’s signed for two more years at a reasonable rate.


Don’t get me wrong, I think that Gordon was a good pickup for Denver and he fits in nicely, but the 70% from 2 is because he’s getting dunks and layups. He’s either shooting a 3pt or taking it to the Rim. No midrange game to speak of and he seems to have a hitch in his shot.

I don’t see why scoring at the rim with layups and dunks should be held against him or ignored.  It’s his skill set, size, and athleticism that allows him to do that.

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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2021, 10:19:46 AM »

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The two deals really had nothing to do with one another. We never had to pick one. It doesn't matter if Gordon is "overrated" or better or worse for the team than Fournier. It only matters if making the deal for him would have made us a better team, and I'm pretty sure it would have.

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« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2021, 10:26:03 AM »

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Gordon plays and Fournier is a Twitter cheerleader. I'll go with Gordon.

So you’d take Gordon, since Fournier is in Covid Protocol like so many others have been this season.
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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2021, 10:30:02 AM »

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He’s shooting 28% from 3 since joining Denver, but 70% from 2.  Denver had also won every game he’s played with them until last night.


He’s not a scorer like Fournier.  I liked him for the Celtics as a guy who could bring size and do a lot of things that don’t show up on a box score. 

And he’s signed for two more years at a reasonable rate.


Don’t get me wrong, I think that Gordon was a good pickup for Denver and he fits in nicely, but the 70% from 2 is because he’s getting dunks and layups. He’s either shooting a 3pt or taking it to the Rim. No midrange game to speak of and he seems to have a hitch in his shot.

I don’t see why scoring at the rim with layups and dunks should be held against him or ignored.  It’s his skill set, size, and athleticism that allows him to do that.

I’m not holding it against him. Gordon is great at finishing at the basket, as is Timelord. But both are not very good at shooting and the C’s needed a shooter more than anything.
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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2021, 10:45:09 AM »

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I like Fournier, just wish he was with the team now instead of being on the Covid list.  Seems that Boston has been hit hard by that, wonder why.
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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2021, 10:50:55 AM »

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The two deals really had nothing to do with one another. We never had to pick one. It doesn't matter if Gordon is "overrated" or better or worse for the team than Fournier. It only matters if making the deal for him would have made us a better team, and I'm pretty sure it would have.

Orlando made both players available. The cost of one player vs the other has nothing to do with the decision that was made? It was highly unlikely that The C’s were going to land both. Of course adding Fournier and Gordon without losing significant pieces would make the Team better. But that wasn’t going to happen.
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« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2021, 10:56:22 AM »

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Gordon plays and Fournier is a Twitter cheerleader. I'll go with Gordon.

So you’d take Gordon, since Fournier is in Covid Protocol like so many others have been this season.

There are only so many games left in the season. So "yes" I would take an actual player over a cheerleader. If he is even close to the amount of games missed that TT was then we won't see him again.

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« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2021, 11:04:12 AM »

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Appreciate Gordon’s athletic abilities,  but that said he is sorta like Wiggins and Uncle snooze , likable character,  but doesn’t have the mental drive or constant effort every minute on court I see in true stars .  He is not Lebron who can play one possession and take next off.

So....for these Celtics purposes Fournier is the more impactful player .   We don’t need more KO ‘s or watchers .

Fournier is what I see Romeo becoming with a few years under his belt to work on shooting.