What have been Danny’s worst trades?

[Roy H.]

We hear a lot about Danny drafting, and recently a bit about his free-agent signings. I think that he ranks above average in both categories, but there’s obviously debate on that.

And, Danny gets criticism for non-trades. But, regarding his track record of trades themselves, most of them have been pretty good.  What ones stand out to you as clear misses?

In an 18 year career, the trades that I’d put up for consideration:

* The Perk trade.

* The Kyrie trade

* Trading a #1 for two months of Antoine

* Kanter + #30 for two second rounders

* Traded #20 (Thybulle) in 2019 Draft for #24 (traded to Phoenix) and #33 (Carson Edwards). 

That’s not a bad track record if those are the worst of the worst. Every one of them can be defended.

[greg683x]

The Raef Lafrentz trade was pretty bad

[Roy H.]

The Raef Lafrentz trade was pretty bad

I don’t judge that one that harshly.  We got Delonte with the 1st in that trade, flipped Jiri Welsch for another #1, and used Chris Mills salary to take on Chucky Atkins and add another #1 (Tony Allen). 

[Birdman]

Perk trade hurt us in many different ways

[Donoghus]

Trading a #1 for two months of Antoine

This one was pretty bad.

[Roy H.]

Trading a #1 for two months of Antoine

This one was pretty bad.

I will always believe that this one was pushed by WIC. It energized the fan base, and certainly sold tickets.

I have a soft spot for Antoine.  I would have resigned him the following summer, but eventually it worked out for all involved.  Antoine got himself a ring in Miami, and we got ours a few years later.  Still, if I had my way we would have cut Gabe Pruitt and signed Antoine just to sit at the end of the bench on that 2008 team.

[Donoghus]

Trading a #1 for two months of Antoine

This one was pretty bad.

I will always believe that this one was pushed by WIC. It energized the fan base, and certainly sold tickets.

I have a soft spot for Antoine.  I would have resigned him the following summer, but eventually it worked out for all involved.  Antoine got himself a ring in Miami, and we got ours a few years later.  Still, if I had my way we would have cut Gabe Pruitt and signed Antoine just to sit at the end of the bench on that 2008 team.

It also didn't get them anymore.  Horrible first round exit with a no show at home in a Game 7. 

Such a disappointment. 

[Celtics4ever]

Ainge is clearly an above average GM, I've criticize him but I like a lot of his moves.

I think the sign and trade of Terry for Kemba is the worst to me.   We traded an upcoming guy who had just been part of a deep run for a guy who got hurt and only plays half the time and hasn't provided elite leadership that we needed.   Still hindsight is 20-20, and most liked it when it happened.

I am not a big fan of small guards because they are liabilities in the playoffs and seem to get hurt more than the taller guards.  Once their quickness goes they are often toast.

It is clear we lost that trade.

here are some others stinkers

The Sebastian Telfair Trade  in 2006 for  the  draft pick that became Randy Foye and the Kenny Anderson for Vin Baker in 2002 were bad too that I believe have not been mentioned.

[Donoghus]

Ainge is clearly an above average GM, I've criticize him but I like a lot of his moves.

I think the sign and trade of Terry for Kemba is the worst to me.   We traded an upcoming guy who had just been part of a deep run for a guy who got hurt and only plays half the time and hasn't provided elite leadership that we needed.   Still hindsight is 20-20, and most liked it when it happened.

I am not a big fan of small guards because they are liabilities in the playoffs and seem to get hurt more than the taller guards.  Once their quickness goes they are often toast.

It is clear we lost that trade.

here are some others stinkers

The Sebastian Telfair Trade  in 2006 for  the  draft pick that became Randy Foye and the Kenny Anderson for Vin Baker in 2002 were bad too that I believe have not been mentioned.

The Baker trade was pre-Ainge.

[Moranis]

The Raef Lafrentz trade was pretty bad

I don’t judge that one that harshly.  We got Delonte with the 1st in that trade, flipped Jiri Welsch for another #1, and used Chris Mills salary to take on Chucky Atkins and add another #1 (Tony Allen).

that was the original trade which was ok because he did well with the late 1st and was able to move Welch for a future 1st (24 - Fernandez) and get the 2005 protections removed (though it would have transferred anyway) and as you say Mills was included in that trade, but Mike James was really why the Pistons gave us a 1st (25 - Allen)

Here is that full trade

Walker, Delk for LaFrentz, Welsh, Mills, future 1st (24 - West)

however the second LaFrentz trade was terrible

LaFrentz, Dickau, 7th pick for Telfair, Ratliff, Future 2nd (48 - Plaisted)

I get that is more of the Telfair trade, but giving up a top 7 pick to unload LaFrentz just to acquire Telfair was a bad move brought about because he acquired LaFrentz to begin with.  And because he realized that moving on from Toine was a mistake, it cost another 1st later on to bring Toine back.

[Donoghus]

The Raef Lafrentz trade was pretty bad

I don’t judge that one that harshly.  We got Delonte with the 1st in that trade, flipped Jiri Welsch for another #1, and used Chris Mills salary to take on Chucky Atkins and add another #1 (Tony Allen).

that was the original trade which was ok because he did well with the late 1st and was able to move Welch for a future 1st (24 - Fernandez) and get the 2005 protections removed (though it would have transferred anyway) and as you say Mills was included in that trade, but Mike James was really why the Pistons gave us a 1st (25 - Allen)

Here is that full trade

Walker, Delk for LaFrentz, Welsh, Mills, future 1st (24 - West)

however the second LaFrentz trade was terrible

LaFrentz, Dickau, 7th pick for Telfair, Ratliff, Future 2nd (48 - Plaisted)

I get that is more of the Telfair trade, but giving up a top 7 pick to unload LaFrentz just to acquire Telfair was a bad move brought about because he acquired LaFrentz to begin with.  And because he realized that moving on from Toine was a mistake, it cost another 1st later on to bring Toine back.

The Ratliff expiring ended up being a valuable asset down the road. So it kinda worked itself out.

[greg683x]

The Raef Lafrentz trade was pretty bad

I don’t judge that one that harshly.  We got Delonte with the 1st in that trade, flipped Jiri Welsch for another #1, and used Chris Mills salary to take on Chucky Atkins and add another #1 (Tony Allen).

that was the original trade which was ok because he did well with the late 1st and was able to move Welch for a future 1st (24 - Fernandez) and get the 2005 protections removed (though it would have transferred anyway) and as you say Mills was included in that trade, but Mike James was really why the Pistons gave us a 1st (25 - Allen)

Here is that full trade

Walker, Delk for LaFrentz, Welsh, Mills, future 1st (24 - West)

however the second LaFrentz trade was terrible

LaFrentz, Dickau, 7th pick for Telfair, Ratliff, Future 2nd (48 - Plaisted)

I get that is more of the Telfair trade, but giving up a top 7 pick to unload LaFrentz just to acquire Telfair was a bad move brought about because he acquired LaFrentz to begin with.  And because he realized that moving on from Toine was a mistake, it cost another 1st later on to bring Toine back.

This was the trade I was referring too.  I believe would could have drafted Brandon Roy right?  He turned out to be damaged goods but he had at least a few years of being a good to great player.

It worked out in the end though, we needed that Ratliff contract for the KG trade.

None of these trades are massive whiffs if you ask me, though an argument could be made about the Perk trade.  I wonder sometimes what might have been if OKC caved and gave us Harden instead of Green

[jambr380]

The Raef trades were horrible on both sides - TP to Moranis for a great explanation as to why.

Obviously Grant/Edwards have not worked out as hoped. I don't think Thybulle was our guy, but I certainly would have been happy with Brandon Clarke - he checked a lot of boxes for us.

With Kanter, I was under the impression that we were just doing him a favor - we didn't need to shed his contract or anything. It was a player option and we sent him to a team that wanted him The two 2nds weren't great, but it was for the #30 pick, which is basically a 2nd anyway.

I hated the Theis trade. We only needed to move Teague/Javonte to get under the tax, but we traded Theis for two far inferior players. I assumed the point was to get involved in the buy-out market by dumping one of Wagner/Kornet, but that doesn't appear to be the case. Just odd to make a move that makes our team clearly worse. How much could we have used Theis last night? The dude was a starter on an ECF team.

[bricone29]

Kanter trade.

[Moranis]

The Raef Lafrentz trade was pretty bad

I don’t judge that one that harshly.  We got Delonte with the 1st in that trade, flipped Jiri Welsch for another #1, and used Chris Mills salary to take on Chucky Atkins and add another #1 (Tony Allen).

that was the original trade which was ok because he did well with the late 1st and was able to move Welch for a future 1st (24 - Fernandez) and get the 2005 protections removed (though it would have transferred anyway) and as you say Mills was included in that trade, but Mike James was really why the Pistons gave us a 1st (25 - Allen)

Here is that full trade

Walker, Delk for LaFrentz, Welsh, Mills, future 1st (24 - West)

however the second LaFrentz trade was terrible

LaFrentz, Dickau, 7th pick for Telfair, Ratliff, Future 2nd (48 - Plaisted)

I get that is more of the Telfair trade, but giving up a top 7 pick to unload LaFrentz just to acquire Telfair was a bad move brought about because he acquired LaFrentz to begin with.  And because he realized that moving on from Toine was a mistake, it cost another 1st later on to bring Toine back.

The Ratliff expiring ended up being a valuable asset down the road. So it kinda worked itself out.

Disagree.  Telfair was also in the KG trade, but no one is going to claim he added value.  Just like Ratliff didn't.  Any player would have worked in place of Ratliff, however if that was a better player, maybe Boston can keep Gomes or Green in that trade instead.  You don't get credit for making a terrible trade just because you had a guy end up being expiring contract filler in a later trade.