Jayson Tatum is likely going to make All-NBA...

[jambr380]

And that sucks for us.

I get that he is a very talented player and I was all for him taking the next step and proving he is among the league's elite, but this was pretty much a worst case scenario for the Cs in terms of future salary commitment. The Cs are currently under .500 and Tatum is essentially putting up the equivalent of empty stats on a mediocre team. He fantastic - no doubt - but he has hardly taken the next step to superstardom.

Randle and Zion have very possibly eclipsed Tatum (this year only) and that should have been enough to push him down the voting ladder; but with the injuries to Lebron, AD, and Durant, it is possible that all of them fail to make All-NBA based on missed games.

As it stands, you have the guys above, along with the definites in Kawhi and Giannis. You also have George and Butler, who certainly make a strong argument. Feel free to include Sabonis and Ingram if you like, but I think Tatum easily eclipses them.

So, what do you think. Do you want Tatum to make All-NBA this year? Do you think he deserves it? And how will it impact our future flexibility with him making essentially an extra $6M/yr over the course of his contract?

[Roy H.]

And how will it impact our future flexibility with him making essentially an extra $6M/yr over the course of his contract?

Have you seen the specifics of his contract reported?

[footey]

If Tatum makes all nba this season, it will be an indictment against the league, because he has done nothing to deserve it.

[Tr1boy]

At this rate Tatum is not going to make the all team imo

Not sure how you are making this guess

[Roy H.]

There are six forward spots, right?  Centers are separate for All-NBA?

Giannis, Kawhi, Lebron and Zion are all locks. 

Tatum could make it, though.  There's no other forward ahead of him in PPG other than Durant, who has only played 19 games.  His competition is Randle (fewer PPG, less of a profile), Davis (23 games played), Butler (lesser stats on an equally mediocre team), Paul George if they list him as a forward, etc.  I'd like to see Hayward rewarded, but he doesn't have the counting stats.

So, yeah, I would slot Jayson in as third team.  Durant and Davis are both clearly better, but they've played less than half the season.

[LilRip]

I have a hard time imagining Lebron not making All NBA. His popularity is too immense and he was in the MVP discussion at one point.

As for Tatum, I think he definitely makes All NBA. And I think that’s a good thing. Maybe it will get him more respect with the refs moving forward. Maybe it will help with his confidence and further growing his game.

I don’t understand how people here are saying he’s not deserving of it though. Maybe they’re too focused on nitpicking the negatives that they’d rather have Julius Randle on this team. But look, this is his first year as the unquestioned franchise player. Last year it was Kemba. The years before, Kyrie. Let him grow into his role for goodness sake.

I don’t understand rooting against our guys to get league-wide recognition. What’s next? We hope neither of the Jays are named allstars so their next contract will be cheaper? That they don’t progress deep into the playoffs so that they don’t get their postseason bonuses?

[jambr380]

And how will it impact our future flexibility with him making essentially an extra $6M/yr over the course of his contract?

Have you seen the specifics of his contract reported?

I believe it is 5yr/$163M if he does not make All-NBA and 5yr/$195M if he does. Of course the last year is an option year in both cases. Where we get 'screwed' is there is no escalation clause like we've seen with so many other rookie scale extensions (ie, 26% if he makes 3rd Team, 28% 2nd Team, 30% 1st Team). He will simply get the full 30% if he makes any of the 3 teams.

[jambr380]

I have a hard time imagining Lebron not making All NBA. His popularity is too immense and he was in the MVP discussion at one point.

As for Tatum, I think he definitely makes All NBA. And I think that’s a good thing. Maybe it will get him more respect with the refs moving forward. Maybe it will help with his confidence and further growing his game.

I don’t understand how people here are saying he’s not deserving of it though. Maybe they’re too focused on nitpicking the negatives that they’d rather have Julius Randle on this team. But look, this is his first year as the unquestioned franchise player. Last year it was Kemba. The years before, Kyrie. Let him grow into his role for goodness sake.

I don’t understand rooting against our guys to get league-wide recognition. What’s next? We hope neither of the Jays are named allstars so their next contract will be cheaper? That they don’t progress deep into the playoffs so that they don’t get their postseason bonuses?

I tend to agree on Lebron. He is going to be out for a while, but his impact on the season has already been made. And he is Lebron - that helps.

Obviously I'd rather not have Julius Randle on the Cs; that's why I specified this year. And I am not rooting against Tatum, per se, but $6M/yr can add up when a team is in the tax. If Tatum was playing like Luka and the Cs were cruising, I'd have no problem with him cashing in.

But he really hasn't taken that next leap and our team is certainly not cruising. Combine that with the fact that the only reason Tatum is going to make 3rd team is because better players have been injured, and that just doesn't fill me with jubilation.

[jambr380]

Durant is supposed to return soon. If he does and he continues playing like he had been, he might be rewarded. That would be 5 spots.

I would say Butler is more important this season than Tatum is to the Cs (Cs are 21-21 w/ Tatum, while the Heat are 20-13 w/ Butler). They were just terrible without him to begin the season. And even though his ppg isn't as high, he is making up for it in assists, rebounds, and steals. The Heat are currently slightly better than us, as well.

Do Randle and Paul George make it over Tatum? I guess we'll have to see how the season plays out.

[Roy H.]

And how will it impact our future flexibility with him making essentially an extra $6M/yr over the course of his contract?

Have you seen the specifics of his contract reported?

I believe it is 5yr/$163M if he does not make All-NBA and 5yr/$195M if he does. Of course the last year is an option year in both cases. Where we get 'screwed' is there is no escalation clause like we've seen with so many other rookie scale extensions (ie, 26% if he makes 3rd Team, 28% 2nd Team, 30% 1st Team). He will simply get the full 30% if he makes any of the 3 teams.

Where have you seen those specifics, though?  The 30% is the max he can get, but I haven't seen the details that any All-NBA team automatically means 30%.

[jambr380]

And how will it impact our future flexibility with him making essentially an extra $6M/yr over the course of his contract?

Have you seen the specifics of his contract reported?

I believe it is 5yr/$163M if he does not make All-NBA and 5yr/$195M if he does. Of course the last year is an option year in both cases. Where we get 'screwed' is there is no escalation clause like we've seen with so many other rookie scale extensions (ie, 26% if he makes 3rd Team, 28% 2nd Team, 30% 1st Team). He will simply get the full 30% if he makes any of the 3 teams.

Where have you seen those specifics, though?  The 30% is the max he can get, but I haven't seen the details that any All-NBA team automatically means 30%.

As Bobby Marks of ESPN details, Tatum’s starting salary will be worth at least 25% of the 2021/22 salary cap. If he makes an All-NBA team again in 2021, his deal will start at 30% of next year’s cap. Based on a 3% cap increase, Tatum’s first-year salary will range from about $28.1MM to $33.7MM.

[gouki88]

There are six forward spots, right?  Centers are separate for All-NBA?

Giannis, Kawhi, Lebron and Zion are all locks. 

Tatum could make it, though.  There's no other forward ahead of him in PPG other than Durant, who has only played 19 games.  His competition is Randle (fewer PPG, less of a profile), Davis (23 games played), Butler (lesser stats on an equally mediocre team), Paul George if they list him as a forward, etc.  I'd like to see Hayward rewarded, but he doesn't have the counting stats.

So, yeah, I would slot Jayson in as third team.  Durant and Davis are both clearly better, but they've played less than half the season.

Is Zion a lock? Maybe in terms of media profile, but statistically he and Tatum are near-identical, and we have a slightly better record than the Pels who will almost definitely miss the playoffs.

I think Tatum will almost certainly make it, and it makes sense. Made it last year and he's improved his passing and scoring (shooting the 3 a little worse). He's also played most games.

[Roy H.]

There are six forward spots, right?  Centers are separate for All-NBA?

Giannis, Kawhi, Lebron and Zion are all locks. 

Tatum could make it, though.  There's no other forward ahead of him in PPG other than Durant, who has only played 19 games.  His competition is Randle (fewer PPG, less of a profile), Davis (23 games played), Butler (lesser stats on an equally mediocre team), Paul George if they list him as a forward, etc.  I'd like to see Hayward rewarded, but he doesn't have the counting stats.

So, yeah, I would slot Jayson in as third team.  Durant and Davis are both clearly better, but they've played less than half the season.

Is Zion a lock? Maybe in terms of media profile, but statistically he and Tatum are near-identical, and we have a slightly better record than the Pels who will almost definitely miss the playoffs.

I think Tatum will almost certainly make it, and it makes sense. Made it last year and he's improved his passing and scoring (shooting the 3 a little worse). He's also played most games.

I think he's a lock.  There's nobody outside the top-3 that is clearly better than him, and he is a league and media darling.

[jambr380]

There are six forward spots, right?  Centers are separate for All-NBA?

Giannis, Kawhi, Lebron and Zion are all locks. 

Tatum could make it, though.  There's no other forward ahead of him in PPG other than Durant, who has only played 19 games.  His competition is Randle (fewer PPG, less of a profile), Davis (23 games played), Butler (lesser stats on an equally mediocre team), Paul George if they list him as a forward, etc.  I'd like to see Hayward rewarded, but he doesn't have the counting stats.

So, yeah, I would slot Jayson in as third team.  Durant and Davis are both clearly better, but they've played less than half the season.

Is Zion a lock? Maybe in terms of media profile, but statistically he and Tatum are near-identical, and we have a slightly better record than the Pels who will almost definitely miss the playoffs.

I think Tatum will almost certainly make it, and it makes sense. Made it last year and he's improved his passing and scoring (shooting the 3 a little worse). He's also played most games.

I think he's a lock.  There's nobody outside the top-3 that is clearly better than him, and he is a league and media darling.

Zion's also been on an upward trajectory throughout the year. That is a big reason Tatum made it last year. The Pels haven't been great, but neither have the Cs and I think the voters would love to get Zion in this early in his career.

[Somebody]

Unless the voters of All-League Teams are huge Tatum fans I don't see him making any of the three teams this year.