Did Fournier Make Celtics History?

[GreenlyGreeny]

Has anybody else ever shot 0% on double-digit FGAs in their Celtics debut? If not, did that other 0% shooter also have 0 assists in their debut?

Certainly another brilliant move by a GM who’s won one title in nearly two decades...

We cannot blame Brad if he decides to leave after the playoffs, before Danny assembles an even more pathetic squad in 2021-2022, right?

How did it come to this?

[scottwedman]

Just. Freaking. Pathetic.

[GreenlyGreeny]

I missed the game (thank God), but was it that nobody would dish it to him when he had good looks? Or did he just stink and/or force things? And did he not pass to teammates at all? Mind-boggling to not get a single assist in 33ish minutes. Never in a million years would I have predicted 10 FGAs at 0% with 0 assists, and against the Pels no less...dude has been talked up big time, and even I was becoming optimistic and hopeful he would play ASAP...

Yeah, it’s pathetic that some of us still do not see what everybody else in the NBA sees: Danny’s washed up and we’re a sub-.500 team. Admittedly, I did not see it until around the turn of the New Year.

Fournier better play better soon, or we’re headed to humiliation whether it’s a sweep in the first-round or the lottery. Easily the most disappointing season for me. I foolishly thought we were title contenders as recently as December. I literally have higher blood pressure when I just think of our Celtics now.

[Celtics Mike]

Are you really a Celtics fan or an attention seeking troll
If you're not bashing Danny Ainge then you're bashing Jayson Tatum
I don't think I've seen a positive comment from you in the past year
Your persistent negativity is unwanted

[Muzzy66]

How long do you need to go back in Fournier's career to find another time when he shot 0-10?  Has it ever happened?

It was his first game on a new team.  He had a bad game, it happens. 

I'm far more concerned about streaks then one-off bad games.  For example, the fact that - if you take out the one fluke game against the Bucks - Marcus Smart is 18-59 from three over the past 6 games and has attempted at least 9 three point shots four times across those ten games.

Marcus Smart should be benched for one whole game every time he takes 5 of more three point attempts...

Edit:
I just checked for myself, and the last time Fournier had a game with zero field goals made was the 5th of September 2019.  He's only shot < 30% FG 7 times over the past two seasons (93 total games).  That's 92.5% of Fournier's games in which he's shot at least 30% from the field.    So...I think it's safe to say this game was NOT reflective of who he is as a player.

[gouki88]

How long do you need to go back in Fournier's career to find another time when he shot 0-10?  Has it ever happened?

It was his first game on a new team.  He had a bad game, it happens. 

I'm far more concerned about streaks then one-off bad games.  For example, the fact that - if you take out the one fluke game against the Bucks - Marcus Smart is 18-59 from three over the past 6 games and has attempted at least 9 three point shots four times across those ten games.

Marcus Smart should be benched for one whole game every time he takes 5 of more three point attempts...

Edit:
I just checked for myself, and the last time Fournier had a game with zero field goals made was the 5th of September 2019.  He's only shot < 30% FG 7 times over the past two seasons (93 total games).  That's 92.5% of Fournier's games in which he's shot at least 30% from the field.    So...I think it's safe to say this game was NOT reflective of who he is as a player.

Given Fournier had been on the same team for nearly a decade, growing pains aren't too shocking. Which makes me more annoyed that we didn't get him here earlier, but Orlando clearly hadn't committed to the fire-sale then.

Smart is abysmal. Plain and simple. Would like to see him gone

[Somebody]

Who cares? He's a good player who'll bounce back well and be a valuable role player for us in both the regular season and the playoffs as long as we don't ask too much from him on offence. Him being able to hit open threes at a high clip with some off-ball movement mixed in and handle the ball a bit in a pinch is something that our wings not named the Jays don't have.

[Redz]

If sports are causing your blood pressure to rise, you might want to take up crochet as a new hobby.

On the bright side is what is a better debut than Hayward's.

[td450]

How long do you need to go back in Fournier's career to find another time when he shot 0-10?  Has it ever happened?

It was his first game on a new team.  He had a bad game, it happens. 

I'm far more concerned about streaks then one-off bad games.  For example, the fact that - if you take out the one fluke game against the Bucks - Marcus Smart is 18-59 from three over the past 6 games and has attempted at least 9 three point shots four times across those ten games.

Marcus Smart should be benched for one whole game every time he takes 5 of more three point attempts...

Edit:
I just checked for myself, and the last time Fournier had a game with zero field goals made was the 5th of September 2019.  He's only shot < 30% FG 7 times over the past two seasons (93 total games).  That's 92.5% of Fournier's games in which he's shot at least 30% from the field.    So...I think it's safe to say this game was NOT reflective of who he is as a player.

Given Fournier had been on the same team for nearly a decade, growing pains aren't too shocking. Which makes me more annoyed that we didn't get him here earlier, but Orlando clearly hadn't committed to the fire-sale then.

Smart is abysmal. Plain and simple. Would like to see him gone

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Smart is going to become a problem. The Fournier trade, combined with Langford coming back is not going to go down well. That is a ton of minutes that will be coming from somewhere, and even if a decent chunk gets taken from other players, it is inevitable that it will reduce Smart's role.

It will only get worse in the future. If we ever get a real starter or even better role players for the 4 spot, that will only push Jaylen back into Smart's minutes. There is no good outcome for this team where his minutes hold up long term.

His body language last night was not good. He is not a happy camper.

[Roy H.]

Fournier Is just the third Celtic in the last 50 years to shoot 0 for 10 or worse. Pierce did it twice and Dino did it once.

I guess that makes Fornier a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame.

[SHAQATTACK]

I think I shot that in my first midget league rec. basketball game as an 9 yer old .  ...

[GreenlyGreeny]

Are you really a Celtics fan or an attention seeking troll
If you're not bashing Danny Ainge then you're bashing Jayson Tatum
I don't think I've seen a positive comment from you in the past year
Your persistent negativity is unwanted

There are three current Celtics I do not recall ever “bashing,” whether on here or elsewhere: Tatum, Stevens and Smart.

I recognize the faults of Smart, but I love his Rudy-esque spirit. That said, I recognize his days may be numbered with us.

It’s absolutely mind-boggling that anybody would advocate for firing Brad. Red is not walking through that door, folks, but the next Rick Pitino might if we part with Stevens...do you really want to take that risk? If we lose Stevens, we better replace him with Tony Bennett, or Pops somehow or Doc somehow. Otherwise, we’re going to experience a coaching drop-off...Bennett’s prior experience as an NBA player might make him Stevens-like + players’ coach like Doc, which is exciting...

I recall having a momentary lapse of judgment by thinking earlier in the season that Jaylen may be better than Jayson, and that we should consider moving Jayson for Harden. That was foolish. Clearly I was wrong. In fact, I think so highly of Tatum that I’ve now advocated  strongly for doing whatever it takes to keep him happy (and I guarantee bringing Beal to Boston would have him over the moon). IMHO, his ceiling is “the next Durant” (top 3 NBA talent in the years to come) and his floor is “the next Paul Pierce” (top 10-15 NBA talent and a beloved Celtic the next dozen years). There are literally only three players I’d consider trading Tatum for in a package: Giannis, Doncic and Jokic. He is simply our future...

Jaylen is a different story. His advanced analytics, particularly when Jayson is not playing, are not showing he’s a top 15 talent, and that he may be fool’s gold (have always worried he’s the next Glen Rice...nice player with good stats, but not the guy who’s going to win a title as the number two guy, let alone the number one). I firmly believe that he is our 2021 version of 2007 Al Jefferson: A good, young player who can help us get a great player in a trade.

If the Clippers said this off-season they’d do a sign-and-trade of Kawhi (four year-max, with Kawhi wanting to join Tatum) if we packaged Jaylen and picks, I would not hesitate for a minute. In fact, this is my current fantasy. Kawhi/Tatum would be simply unstoppable, especially if some of our youth (please, Langford) can develop into contributors. 

If Beal told the Wizards he’s not signing a long-term contract with anybody but Boston because he wants to play with Jayson, would not hesitate for a minute to send Jaylen for Beal (and try to get a 1st round swap with WAS since we could always move Jaylen for picks and wait to get Beal in free agency, as WAS would be aware).

If we could get Wiseman and the 2022 MIN 1st for Jaylen on draft night 2021, would love to do it.

If we could move Jaylen for Anthony Edwards or Tyrese Hailburton and a decent pick, would do it.

Would ship Jaylen AND picks for Ja Morant or Zion Williamson.

If we could move Jaylen for Cade Cunningham or Evan Mobley, would love to do it without hesitation.

Why to all of the above potential superstars/busts (Morant and Williamson are the only real guarantees of being solid starters for 10-15 years)? Because a combo of any one of those players with Tatum is going to be very appealing to Beal, who can choose to hit UFA in the 2022 off-season (given the rookie, cost-controlled contracts, and assuming we can salary dump Kemba in his final year, that would be possible whereas Tatum, Brown, and Beal is simply not cap-feasible). Imagine seeing this lineup on opening tip-off 2022-2023:

Pritchard
Beal
Cunningham/Nesmith
Tatum
Timelord

THAT is exciting to imagine and something to be positive about. Watching Danny continue to meander is not a positive experience and when we’re below .500 past the trade deadline, after feeling like title contenders 3-4 months ago, we should all be making our displeasure clear to ownership so they can do what must be done.

[ozgod]

I guess trashing Fournier was short-sighted. He's going to be a great addition if he can carry on his Orlando form to the Cs. Caveat being that our last 2 games have been against Houston which is one of the worst teams in the NBA, and against a Hornets team missing 2 top players, but he's doing ok and looking more settled. He won't average 20ppg because he won't have as high a usage rate and he won't be the primary option, but he should get better shots with players like Tatum, Brown and Kemba on the floor with him. If he can average 15ppg at a high efficiency it will have been a good investment by Danny even if he turns out to be a rental.

[Silas]

Almost with 10 (made) 3s in a row.  Second to Scott Wedman with 11.

[footey]

Has anybody else ever shot 0% on double-digit FGAs in their Celtics debut? If not, did that other 0% shooter also have 0 assists in their debut?

Certainly another brilliant move by a GM who’s won one title in nearly two decades...

We cannot blame Brad if he decides to leave after the playoffs, before Danny assembles an even more pathetic squad in 2021-2022, right?

How did it come to this?

Lay low, bro.