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Re: Al Horford shut down
« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2021, 09:36:09 AM »

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It’s a shame. If they’d buy him out I’d rather have Horford than Drummond added to this team. What a waste.
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Re: Al Horford shut down
« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2021, 09:56:54 AM »

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Maybe on draft day we can trade our pick ( mid teen) plus Kemba plus Thompson for Horford and Minnesota second rounder they own.
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Re: Al Horford shut down
« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2021, 10:07:39 AM »

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It’s a shame. If they’d buy him out I’d rather have Horford than Drummond added to this team. What a waste.

It is a pity for sure. But, Horford is never agreeing to a buyout. If he had wanted that, I am guessing it would have been done.

He took the absolute most money with the Sixers and is not going to hand any of that back so he can sign with another team. He would be nice for this year though.

Re: Al Horford shut down
« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2021, 10:11:43 AM »

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Horford plans to remain w/ OKC teammates and train at the team’s facility. After season, Horford will have 2 years, $53M left on deal and Sam Presti has pledged to work w/ Horford and his agent Jason Glushon on finding a destination that fits better with this stage of his career.
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The plan is to trade him in the off season.  Easier said than done it seems to me.

Re: Al Horford shut down
« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2021, 10:37:24 AM »

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What if Okc was willing to attach a pick or two and take back whoever we can get back for Kemba? Would we rather have Walker or Horford? Who might want to take Kemba along with his contract? Knicks, Magic,  Mavs, Clippers, Wolves, Bulls? It seems to me like somebody should like him, but I don’t see a clear candidate...
If we could turn Kemba + Thompson into Horford + picks + salary relief or a useful player, I’d be all for it!

Re: Al Horford shut down
« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2021, 10:50:52 AM »

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It’s a shame. If they’d buy him out I’d rather have Horford than Drummond added to this team. What a waste.

It is a pity for sure. But, Horford is never agreeing to a buyout. If he had wanted that, I am guessing it would have been done.

He took the absolute most money with the Sixers and is not going to hand any of that back so he can sign with another team. He would be nice for this year though.

I think Horford would take a buyout.  I don’t think OKC wants that dead money on their books.


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Re: Al Horford shut down
« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2021, 01:58:51 PM »

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What if Okc was willing to attach a pick or two and take back whoever we can get back for Kemba? Would we rather have Walker or Horford? Who might want to take Kemba along with his contract? Knicks, Magic,  Mavs, Clippers, Wolves, Bulls? It seems to me like somebody should like him, but I don’t see a clear candidate...
If we could turn Kemba + Thompson into Horford + picks + salary relief or a useful player, I’d be all for it!

I think you are severely underrating Kemba.
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Re: Al Horford shut down
« Reply #37 on: March 28, 2021, 06:49:55 PM »

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What if Okc was willing to attach a pick or two and take back whoever we can get back for Kemba? Would we rather have Walker or Horford? Who might want to take Kemba along with his contract? Knicks, Magic,  Mavs, Clippers, Wolves, Bulls? It seems to me like somebody should like him, but I don’t see a clear candidate...
If we could turn Kemba + Thompson into Horford + picks + salary relief or a useful player, I’d be all for it!

I think you are severely underrating Kemba.

Maybe I am underrating him. But he’s an undersized player with chronic knee injury and lately also some consistency issues. I also don’t believe I said that the team trading for Kemba would not give anything of value for him - I don’t think it will be much, if it happens, but maybe someone would be willing to give anything substantial for him. So if he can become a centerpiece of a trade for, let’s say, Bradley Beal, then great. I don’t think Kemba is an all-star-level-player anymore, but he’s paid like one, which would make moving him problematic.
I’ll try to re-articulate my thoughts - if we create a TPE by trading Kemba into another team’s cap space, would we want to absorb Horford with some picks or a young player from OKC into this space? I’d be okay with it, but not for a mere second-rounder.

Re: Al Horford shut down
« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2021, 07:44:41 PM »

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What if Okc was willing to attach a pick or two and take back whoever we can get back for Kemba? Would we rather have Walker or Horford? Who might want to take Kemba along with his contract? Knicks, Magic,  Mavs, Clippers, Wolves, Bulls? It seems to me like somebody should like him, but I don’t see a clear candidate...
If we could turn Kemba + Thompson into Horford + picks + salary relief or a useful player, I’d be all for it!

I think you are severely underrating Kemba.

Maybe I am underrating him. But he’s an undersized player with chronic knee injury and lately also some consistency issues. I also don’t believe I said that the team trading for Kemba would not give anything of value for him - I don’t think it will be much, if it happens, but maybe someone would be willing to give anything substantial for him. So if he can become a centerpiece of a trade for, let’s say, Bradley Beal, then great. I don’t think Kemba is an all-star-level-player anymore, but he’s paid like one, which would make moving him problematic.
I’ll try to re-articulate my thoughts - if we create a TPE by trading Kemba into another team’s cap space, would we want to absorb Horford with some picks or a young player from OKC into this space? I’d be okay with it, but not for a mere second-rounder.
What do you consider lately?

Over the last 6 weeks(17 games so not a small sample size)  Kemba has been averaging 19.8 points, 3.5 rebounds, 4.8 assists, 1.3 steals with shooting splits of 42.4/38.9/94.7 and he has drawn like 8 or 9 charges in that time.

That's dang good and those numbers have been very consistent.


Re: Al Horford shut down
« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2021, 07:24:19 PM »

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What if Okc was willing to attach a pick or two and take back whoever we can get back for Kemba? Would we rather have Walker or Horford? Who might want to take Kemba along with his contract? Knicks, Magic,  Mavs, Clippers, Wolves, Bulls? It seems to me like somebody should like him, but I don’t see a clear candidate...
If we could turn Kemba + Thompson into Horford + picks + salary relief or a useful player, I’d be all for it!

I think you are severely underrating Kemba.

Maybe I am underrating him. But he’s an undersized player with chronic knee injury and lately also some consistency issues. I also don’t believe I said that the team trading for Kemba would not give anything of value for him - I don’t think it will be much, if it happens, but maybe someone would be willing to give anything substantial for him. So if he can become a centerpiece of a trade for, let’s say, Bradley Beal, then great. I don’t think Kemba is an all-star-level-player anymore, but he’s paid like one, which would make moving him problematic.
I’ll try to re-articulate my thoughts - if we create a TPE by trading Kemba into another team’s cap space, would we want to absorb Horford with some picks or a young player from OKC into this space? I’d be okay with it, but not for a mere second-rounder.
What do you consider lately?

Over the last 6 weeks(17 games so not a small sample size)  Kemba has been averaging 19.8 points, 3.5 rebounds, 4.8 assists, 1.3 steals with shooting splits of 42.4/38.9/94.7 and he has drawn like 8 or 9 charges in that time.

That's dang good and those numbers have been very consistent.

I’d consider lately to be pretty much since coming to Boston. I like Kemba, but I believe he’s a liability on defense, hasn’t been that great in the playoffs, has a huge contract and is not particularly young. I am also not sure, if 17 games is that much of a sample size, but that’s not the point.
I don’t get, why my question about Horford’s and Kemba’s trade value seems to be so outrageous. There are many posts in other threads stating that we’d have to attach picks to Kemba in order to trade him (or rather dump him). I don’t think I was really that unfair in my assessment. Frankly, I never said that we couldn’t get anything for Kemba, I just wondered, if others thought that getting Horford in the Kemba deal would be an ok return.
I am not a regular poster, I guess that being a long time reader doesn’t translate, but I’m surprised how far the answers are from my question.
Anyhow, I hope the team turned the corner after the deadline, got their head into the game and is going to compete for a championship so that it doesn’t need rebuilding, but rather some minor improvements. Go Cs!

Re: Al Horford shut down
« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2021, 07:41:46 PM »

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What if Okc was willing to attach a pick or two and take back whoever we can get back for Kemba? Would we rather have Walker or Horford? Who might want to take Kemba along with his contract? Knicks, Magic,  Mavs, Clippers, Wolves, Bulls? It seems to me like somebody should like him, but I don’t see a clear candidate...
If we could turn Kemba + Thompson into Horford + picks + salary relief or a useful player, I’d be all for it!

I think you are severely underrating Kemba.

Maybe I am underrating him. But he’s an undersized player with chronic knee injury and lately also some consistency issues. I also don’t believe I said that the team trading for Kemba would not give anything of value for him - I don’t think it will be much, if it happens, but maybe someone would be willing to give anything substantial for him. So if he can become a centerpiece of a trade for, let’s say, Bradley Beal, then great. I don’t think Kemba is an all-star-level-player anymore, but he’s paid like one, which would make moving him problematic.
I’ll try to re-articulate my thoughts - if we create a TPE by trading Kemba into another team’s cap space, would we want to absorb Horford with some picks or a young player from OKC into this space? I’d be okay with it, but not for a mere second-rounder.
What do you consider lately?

Over the last 6 weeks(17 games so not a small sample size)  Kemba has been averaging 19.8 points, 3.5 rebounds, 4.8 assists, 1.3 steals with shooting splits of 42.4/38.9/94.7 and he has drawn like 8 or 9 charges in that time.

That's dang good and those numbers have been very consistent.

I’d consider lately to be pretty much since coming to Boston. I like Kemba, but I believe he’s a liability on defense, hasn’t been that great in the playoffs, has a huge contract and is not particularly young. I am also not sure, if 17 games is that much of a sample size, but that’s not the point.
I don’t get, why my question about Horford’s and Kemba’s trade value seems to be so outrageous. There are many posts in other threads stating that we’d have to attach picks to Kemba in order to trade him (or rather dump him). I don’t think I was really that unfair in my assessment. Frankly, I never said that we couldn’t get anything for Kemba, I just wondered, if others thought that getting Horford in the Kemba deal would be an ok return.
I am not a regular poster, I guess that being a long time reader doesn’t translate, but I’m surprised how far the answers are from my question.
Anyhow, I hope the team turned the corner after the deadline, got their head into the game and is going to compete for a championship so that it doesn’t need rebuilding, but rather some minor improvements. Go Cs!
I have no problem with your idea. I have no problem with your assessment of his trade value. 

I just thought it unfair to call Kemba's recent play inconsistent. Heck, if you rule out the Miami series and his first few weeks getting back this season, Kemba has been as consistent as you can get since coming to Boston.

Yes, he is still short. Yes, he is still 30. Yes, he is the weakest link in an otherwise good defensive starting unit.

But he is very consistent. He was just injured for a while, which led to some uncharacteristic inconsistency for a period of time.

Re: Al Horford shut down
« Reply #41 on: March 29, 2021, 07:52:22 PM »

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Maybe on draft day we can trade our pick ( mid teen) plus Kemba plus Thompson for Horford and Minnesota second rounder they own.
Salaries don’t need to match

Why would you trade an All-Star caliber PG in his late 20s, a first round pick and a quality role player for a good (but not elite) big man going on 35 who is pretty much untradeable and is recognised for having one of the worst contracts in the NBA?

I get that Horford has still been playing well this year but when big men get to his age there isn't a lot left in the tank.  When guys like this fall decline they usually decline fast and hard - it's not unusual to have a productive season and then production totally fall off a cliff the next year.  Who knows when that huge decline is going to hit?  If it does catch you unexpected then you're stuck being cap limited because you're paying huge money to an unproductive big man nobody wants to touch with a 10 foot pole.

People here seem to be treating Kemba like he's Carsen Edwards just because his knee issues have held him back from being AS good as he once was.  He's still averaging 18, 4.5 and 3.5 despite being the third scoring option 

Re: Al Horford shut down
« Reply #42 on: March 29, 2021, 09:39:03 PM »

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Maybe on draft day we can trade our pick ( mid teen) plus Kemba plus Thompson for Horford and Minnesota second rounder they own.
Salaries don’t need to match

So many big man players over 35 get  better with age. Thankfully you are not our GM.

Re: Al Horford shut down
« Reply #43 on: March 30, 2021, 12:09:42 AM »

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Maybe on draft day we can trade our pick ( mid teen) plus Kemba plus Thompson for Horford and Minnesota second rounder they own.
Salaries don’t need to match

Why would you trade an All-Star caliber PG in his late 20s, a first round pick and a quality role player for a good (but not elite) big man going on 35 who is pretty much untradeable and is recognised for having one of the worst contracts in the NBA?

Why would we not trade the worst contract in the NBA, with two years left on it after this year, for merely one of the worst expiring contracts in the NBA?

Al can still ball and helps his team win. That’s why OKC has shut him down. In contrast, Kemba is not helping this team win. In fact, we were A LOT better before Kemba came back from injury...

Re: Al Horford shut down
« Reply #44 on: March 30, 2021, 12:13:57 AM »

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Maybe on draft day we can trade our pick ( mid teen) plus Kemba plus Thompson for Horford and Minnesota second rounder they own.
Salaries don’t need to match

Why would you trade an All-Star caliber PG in his late 20s, a first round pick and a quality role player for a good (but not elite) big man going on 35 who is pretty much untradeable and is recognised for having one of the worst contracts in the NBA?

Why would we not trade the worst contract in the NBA, with two years left on it after this year, for merely one of the worst expiring contracts in the NBA?

Al can still ball and helps his team win. That’s why OKC has shut him down.
Pretty sure I've pointed this out to you before, but Al and Kemba expire in the same year. Technically, Kemba could expire beforehand if he turned down his option, so you're even more incorrect there.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/oklahoma-city-thunder/al-horford-2199/
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/kemba-walker-8059/

Al is also a worse player than Kemba, and has started to deal with niggling injuries more frequently. He'd be a bench big who we'd be paying near-max money for two years. Disgusting.
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