What Seems Most Likely: Gordon For Picks + GWill to Be Under the Luxury Line

[GreenlyGreeny]

Guessing this is what will happen (if we’re lucky, the 2023 1st turns into a 2022 2nd):

https://tradenba.com/trades/ag6d6MGGy

And here’s what we get, with perhaps the most important thing (at least to folks who don’t mind us being perennial also-rans) being just under the luxury tax line in 2021 (by about 10K):

Walker/Teague/Pritchard/Edwards
Brown/Smart/Green/Langford
Tatum/Ojeyele/Nesmith
Gordon/Theis
TT/Timelord

Possibly good enough to make it back to the ECF, right? Then we get to keep pretending that our one-championship-in-18-years GM is on par with Buford and Riley...

[gouki88]

How is this likely, when rumours about Gordon seem to be set on a solid player plus a pick or two, not a low-ceiling prospect and a pick?

[Celtics2021]

How is this likely, when rumours about Gordon seem to be set on a solid player plus a pick or two, not a low-ceiling prospect and a pick?

If the Nuggets are supposedly the new leader sending back Gary Harris, "solid player" is not where negotiations are.

[gouki88]

How is this likely, when rumours about Gordon seem to be set on a solid player plus a pick or two, not a low-ceiling prospect and a pick?

If the Nuggets are supposedly the new leader sending back Gary Harris, "solid player" is not where negotiations are.

Fair, but he's a better player than Grant, and is a significant salary piece for trades

[Celtics2021]

How is this likely, when rumours about Gordon seem to be set on a solid player plus a pick or two, not a low-ceiling prospect and a pick?

If the Nuggets are supposedly the new leader sending back Gary Harris, "solid player" is not where negotiations are.

Fair, but he's a better player than Grant, and is a significant salary piece for trades

Is he a better player than Grant at this point?  That is arguable, and I'm not trying to praise Grant here.  Harris is often hurt, and when he's not hurt, he's not good.  Taking back Grant alone gives the Magic a nice TPE, and saves the Magic $20+ million in payroll.

Put a different way -- the Celtics could trade Grant for Harris straight up.  Would you do that?  I wouldn't.

[footey]

How is this likely, when rumours about Gordon seem to be set on a solid player plus a pick or two, not a low-ceiling prospect and a pick?

If the Nuggets are supposedly the new leader sending back Gary Harris, "solid player" is not where negotiations are.

Fair, but he's a better player than Grant, and is a significant salary piece for trades

Gary Harris has a $20 mm per year contract that goes through another season, pretty awful for a guy who has turned into below average player.  TPE plus G Williams should be construed as a better offer; the picks wash even.   Orlando has to think about the cash aspects, particularly since they are committing to a rebuild around young guys, it would seem.

But I doubt that Grant and first gets it done. I hope it does, but I think it will require Nesmith or Romeo.

[gouki88]

How is this likely, when rumours about Gordon seem to be set on a solid player plus a pick or two, not a low-ceiling prospect and a pick?

If the Nuggets are supposedly the new leader sending back Gary Harris, "solid player" is not where negotiations are.

Fair, but he's a better player than Grant, and is a significant salary piece for trades

Is he a better player than Grant at this point?  That is arguable, and I'm not trying to praise Grant here.  Harris is often hurt, and when he's not hurt, he's not good.  Taking back Grant alone gives the Magic a nice TPE, and saves the Magic $20+ million in payroll.

Put a different way -- the Celtics could trade Grant for Harris straight up.  Would you do that?  I wouldn't.

I think so, especially if he's put on a team without Jamal Murray. I like Grant, but I don't think he would ever get close to the levels that I believe Harris could return to on a different team

[Celtics2021]

How is this likely, when rumours about Gordon seem to be set on a solid player plus a pick or two, not a low-ceiling prospect and a pick?

If the Nuggets are supposedly the new leader sending back Gary Harris, "solid player" is not where negotiations are.

Fair, but he's a better player than Grant, and is a significant salary piece for trades

Is he a better player than Grant at this point?  That is arguable, and I'm not trying to praise Grant here.  Harris is often hurt, and when he's not hurt, he's not good.  Taking back Grant alone gives the Magic a nice TPE, and saves the Magic $20+ million in payroll.

Put a different way -- the Celtics could trade Grant for Harris straight up.  Would you do that?  I wouldn't.

I think so, especially if he's put on a team without Jamal Murray. I like Grant, but I don't think he would ever get close to the levels that I believe Harris could return to on a different team

Harris can't shoot any more.  It's been 3 seasons since he was an average shooter.  I frankly think Murray masks his shortcomings, as he should be a 5th option on offense but is at least a passable defender.  He also is good to miss 20-30 games a year.  And again, he makes $20 million next year.

The concept of Grant plus picks isn't likely the deal, as the C's will want to stay below the tax and this deal isn't sufficient to do so.  That said, PER isn't the best stat, but it's good enough to say that a guy like Harris with a PER below 10 for the last two seasons is probably not a solid player.

[colincb]

How is this likely, when rumours about Gordon seem to be set on a solid player plus a pick or two, not a low-ceiling prospect and a pick?

If the Nuggets are supposedly the new leader sending back Gary Harris, "solid player" is not where negotiations are.

Fair, but he's a better player than Grant, and is a significant salary piece for trades

Is he a better player than Grant at this point?  That is arguable, and I'm not trying to praise Grant here.  Harris is often hurt, and when he's not hurt, he's not good.  Taking back Grant alone gives the Magic a nice TPE, and saves the Magic $20+ million in payroll.

Put a different way -- the Celtics could trade Grant for Harris straight up.  Would you do that?  I wouldn't.

Yes, but we're talking about ORL, a front office who has done little but field a team with parts that never fit.

[GreenlyGreeny]

How is this likely, when rumours about Gordon seem to be set on a solid player plus a pick or two, not a low-ceiling prospect and a pick?

If the Nuggets are supposedly the new leader sending back Gary Harris, "solid player" is not where negotiations are.

Fair, but he's a better player than Grant, and is a significant salary piece for trades

Is he a better player than Grant at this point?  That is arguable, and I'm not trying to praise Grant here.  Harris is often hurt, and when he's not hurt, he's not good.  Taking back Grant alone gives the Magic a nice TPE, and saves the Magic $20+ million in payroll.

Put a different way -- the Celtics could trade Grant for Harris straight up.  Would you do that?  I wouldn't.

I think so, especially if he's put on a team without Jamal Murray. I like Grant, but I don't think he would ever get close to the levels that I believe Harris could return to on a different team

Harris can't shoot any more.  It's been 3 seasons since he was an average shooter.  I frankly think Murray masks his shortcomings, as he should be a 5th option on offense but is at least a passable defender.  He also is good to miss 20-30 games a year.  And again, he makes $20 million next year.

The concept of Grant plus picks isn't likely the deal, as the C's will want to stay below the tax and this deal isn't sufficient to do so.  That said, PER isn't the best stat, but it's good enough to say that a guy like Harris with a PER below 10 for the last two seasons is probably not a solid player.

By my calculations, moving Grant and taking on Gordon gets us $10,000 below the luxury line this year. It gives the Magic two picks, a rotational piece who is young, and almost $16 million in direct savings (they’re currently just below the luxury line), which becomes nearly $20 million if they do not pick up GWill’s team option.

[gouki88]

How is this likely, when rumours about Gordon seem to be set on a solid player plus a pick or two, not a low-ceiling prospect and a pick?

If the Nuggets are supposedly the new leader sending back Gary Harris, "solid player" is not where negotiations are.

Fair, but he's a better player than Grant, and is a significant salary piece for trades

Is he a better player than Grant at this point?  That is arguable, and I'm not trying to praise Grant here.  Harris is often hurt, and when he's not hurt, he's not good.  Taking back Grant alone gives the Magic a nice TPE, and saves the Magic $20+ million in payroll.

Put a different way -- the Celtics could trade Grant for Harris straight up.  Would you do that?  I wouldn't.

I think so, especially if he's put on a team without Jamal Murray. I like Grant, but I don't think he would ever get close to the levels that I believe Harris could return to on a different team

Harris can't shoot any more.  It's been 3 seasons since he was an average shooter.  I frankly think Murray masks his shortcomings, as he should be a 5th option on offense but is at least a passable defender.  He also is good to miss 20-30 games a year.  And again, he makes $20 million next year.

The concept of Grant plus picks isn't likely the deal, as the C's will want to stay below the tax and this deal isn't sufficient to do so.  That said, PER isn't the best stat, but it's good enough to say that a guy like Harris with a PER below 10 for the last two seasons is probably not a solid player.

It's a gamble, but it's one with an actual chance of a good return. I don't think Grant has much potential, and I like him.

Harris' career-high PER is double Grant's career-high. I think Orlando would prefer to take a punt on someone who might return to a form he's shown to be capable of, as opposed to someone who has not shown any sort of form beyond being a solid 9th man.

[Celtics4ever]

Is he a better player than Grant at this point?

That is not a high bar to measure against.

[Moranis]

Harris is injured and has no set timetable for return.  Now granted his injury should put him back any time now, but he hasn't played since mid-February and that was a 1 off game as he came back to early from the injury he sustained in January.  Before that though he was starting and playing 30+ mpg for Denver.  If Harris wasn't any good he wouldn't have been starting for the Nuggets.