(Update) Celtics NOT favorites to land Aaron Gordon

[Tr1boy]

To stay under the luxury tax, celtics would have to include around a further 7 million dollars in salary therefore I would assume the deal would be something like Smart+Langford+Nesmith for Gordon and Fournier including Grant Williams in place of Nesmith would put them just below the lax line by a few thousand dollars according to my calculations

The Deal also results in Orlando obtaining a trade exception to the tune of Gordon Salary ~18 million

Makes no sense to give up that many assets

Smart + Langford + Nesmith + two 1sts??

No way

Should be a way to avoid including Nesmith and Langford

[Sophomore]

This is hoping the deal falls through. Imo, 2 firsts for Gordon is an overpay. I'd rather have Smart, the picks and the TPE instead of Gordon and Fournier (assuming this is the framework of the deal).

The deal in essence would be for Gordon and Fournier. I don’t think that really outrageous tbh if all it costs you is Smart and two first rounders. Cs get a wing and they get a shooting upgrade offensively on the bench unit for scoring who they will be able to re-sign next offseason.

To me, Gordon’s value is pretty similar to Smart’s; similar caliber of player on similar deals. Fournier doesn’t add too much because he’s on an expiring deal and the Magic aren’t likely to resign him. Adding two firsts to the deal feels like an overpay.

[Sophomore]

To stay under the luxury tax, celtics would have to include around a further 7 million dollars in salary therefore I would assume the deal would be something like Smart+Langford+Nesmith for Gordon and Fournier including Grant Williams in place of Nesmith would put them just below the lax line by a few thousand dollars according to my calculations

The Deal also results in Orlando obtaining a trade exception to the tune of Gordon Salary ~18 million

Makes no sense to give up that many assets

Smart + Langford + Nesmith + two 1sts??

No way

Should be a way to avoid including Nesmith and Langford

Absolutely! If there’s more salary going out it’s going to be Thompson. Nesmith is on his rookie deal three more years. Before that’s done - hopefully long before - he should grow into being a good rotation player. Langford probably will too, if he stays healthy...

[PAOBoston]

This is hoping the deal falls through. Imo, 2 firsts for Gordon is an overpay. I'd rather have Smart, the picks and the TPE instead of Gordon and Fournier (assuming this is the framework of the deal).

The deal in essence would be for Gordon and Fournier. I don’t think that really outrageous tbh if all it costs you is Smart and two first rounders. Cs get a wing and they get a shooting upgrade offensively on the bench unit for scoring who they will be able to re-sign next offseason.

To me, Gordon’s value is pretty similar to Smart’s; similar caliber of player on similar deals. Fournier doesn’t add too much because he’s on an expiring deal and the Magic aren’t likely to resign him. Adding two firsts to the deal feels like an overpay.

My belief is the Cs would look to re-sign Fournier.

[Rikibellevie]

Funny that Jvalin and I, who were the most "pro trade", "Danny has to do something to save his last years management choices" are now more cold when it turns on something palpable...

I am also thinking Smart + 2 first is a vast overpay for Gordon and Fournier. Or they have to be heavily protected -like top 20- and no way to give this year picks...

Smart did horrible job since his return, isn't a good offensive guy and outplay at (end) time (but I guess this is also a coaching and a roster problem). And if Gordon (athletic 4/3 ho do a little of everything) and Fournier (guy who can score by himself without behing a ball eater) fit some needs, that Gordon seem to be a good fit and Fournier could become a good 6men I see few objections :
_ Smart is an impactfull player on PO. Not sure what Gordon and Fournier can really bring in great intensity and level matches
_ Gordon is a player who want to go away from Orlando and who they want to trade to make place for Isaac for next year. This may decrease his value in a trade. Fournier is a guy that will leave them in 1 and half moonth and that make his value not much as second picks on my books... So Smart + 2 first ? No. Romeo + 2 first or Smart + 1 first (not the one this year) OK but not more.
_ our late draft picks may still have value as we will from next year until the end of the deceny be hard caped and if we don't have picks it will be hard to find possible cost controlled role players.

[Vermont Green]

All this still seems like chatter, not on the verge of a deal, which is still interesting.  I don't think that the Celtics are going use this much of the TPE to go into the tax for an expiring and a +1 season contract while also giving up Smart and picks and potentially more as needed to stay under the Tax threshold.

To me, the more obvious deal is to send out Kemba and 2 picks for Fournier and Gordon.  Then we keep the TPE and stay under the tax.  I don't relish trading Kemba but I prefer it to trading Smart + whatever else we would need to trade to stay under the tax.  And I think this is still a good enough deal for Orlando.  They get their picks and Kemba could be a useful player for them or he is someone who could be flipped for other assets.

We can then have some flexibility to resign Fournier if we want and also can have the opportunity to do something big with the TPE in the off season.

[Celtics4ever]

I'd rather have Smart, the picks and the TPE instead of Gordon and Fournier (assuming this is the framework of the deal).

Who are we going to draft that will be better than Gordon or Fournier where we would be picking?

[Phantom255x]

Not that I don't like Gordon, but I really hope we can work something out with the Hawks instead for Collins + Bogdan. Not a huge fan of Aaron Gordon especially at the rumored price (Smart + 2 firsts, or Smart + 1 first rounder + another young player like Nesmith/Pritchard)

[footey]

To stay under the luxury tax, celtics would have to include around a further 7 million dollars in salary therefore I would assume the deal would be something like Smart+Langford+Nesmith for Gordon and Fournier including Grant Williams in place of Nesmith would put them just below the lax line by a few thousand dollars according to my calculations

The Deal also results in Orlando obtaining a trade exception to the tune of Gordon Salary ~18 million

Danny should be fired if that was the deal.

[wdleehi]

I just don't understand the trade as it is put out.   

Thinking out loud, the Celtics are willing to offer two 1st plus a player for Gordon


The Magic want Smart and will throw in Fournier.   



The Smart and Fournier doesn't make sense to me.   Why do the Celtics want a more expensive player who will be a free agent?

[hpantazo]

I just don't understand the trade as it is put out.   

Thinking out loud, the Celtics are willing to offer two 1st plus a player for Gordon


The Magic want Smart and will throw in Fournier.   



The Smart and Fournier doesn't make sense to me.   Why do the Celtics want a more expensive player who will be a free agent?

Yeah, and that's probably why the deal isn't done yet. I don't see the Celtics including Smart. It's either Tristan Thompson, Nesmith/Langford and picks or nothing.

[Jvalin]

If we're surrendering 2 firsts, I'd expect us to at least dump Kemba's albatross.

Gordon + Fournier for Kemba + 2 picks

Personally speaking, I still wouldn't do it, but at least it would make way more sense than the rumored trade.

Smart + 2 firsts + the TPE is a premium package. I fully believe it can net us a better return than Gordon + Fournier. The TPE is a serious asset on its own. We are the only team in the league that can absorb north of $20 million without having to match salary. Unfortunately, it seems like Wyc isn't willing to pay luxury tax this season.

Don't get me wrong, I believe Gordon would be a nice fit in our system. That said, imo his 3P% this season is a fluke. I mean, his career averages are 32.5% from 3pt range and 69.5% from the FT line. I guess we'd have to pair him with a starting-caliber stretch 5.

Not a big fan of Fournier's game, but I reckon he'd make a very useful 6th man.

[wdleehi]

If we're surrendering 2 firsts, I'd expect us to at least dump Kemba's albatross.

Gordon + Fournier for Kemba + 2 picks

Personally speaking, I still wouldn't do it, but at least it would make way more sense than the rumored deal.

Smart + 2 firsts + the TPE is a premium package. I fully believe it can net us a better return than Gordon + Fournier. The TPE is a serious asset on its own. We are the only team in the league that can absorb north of $20 million without having to match salary. Not sure whether Wyc would be willing to pay luxury tax this season, but that's another story.

Don't get me wrong, I like Gordon's game. He'd be a nice fit in our system. That said, I believe his 3P% this season is a fluke. I mean, his career averages are 32.5% from 3pt range and 69.5% from the FT line. I guess we'd have to pair him with a starting-caliber stretch 5.

Not a big fan of Fournier's game, but I reckon he'd make a very useful 6th man.

I think this would be the scenario where there is a third team.   A playoff team that would take Kemba that send back another pick and players. 

[Jvalin]

If we're surrendering 2 firsts, I'd expect us to at least dump Kemba's albatross.

Gordon + Fournier for Kemba + 2 picks

Personally speaking, I still wouldn't do it, but at least it would make way more sense than the rumored deal.

(This is from March 16)

Smart + 2 firsts + the TPE is a premium package. I fully believe it can net us a better return than Gordon + Fournier. The TPE is a serious asset on its own. We are the only team in the league that can absorb north of $20 million without having to match salary. Not sure whether Wyc would be willing to pay luxury tax this season, but that's another story.

Don't get me wrong, I like Gordon's game. He'd be a nice fit in our system. That said, I believe his 3P% this season is a fluke. I mean, his career averages are 32.5% from 3pt range and 69.5% from the FT line. I guess we'd have to pair him with a starting-caliber stretch 5.

Not a big fan of Fournier's game, but I reckon he'd make a very useful 6th man.

I think this would be the scenario where there is a third team.   A playoff team that would take Kemba that send back another pick and players.

Not necessarily. According to Chris Mannix, the Magic may be interested in Kemba.

(this is from March 16)

''Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier are available, as is All-Star center Nikola Vucevic. The Magic have been looking for point guard help, kicking the tires on Ricky Rubio recently. Celtics guard Kemba Walker remains a favorite of Magic coach Steve Clifford, but it’s unlikely Boston, without much depth behind Walker, will part with him at this point. (...) expect the Celtics to pursue Barnes right up until the deadline.''

https://www.si.com/nba/2021/03/16/nba-trade-rumors-storylines-to-follow

[#1P4P]

The report states that other teams aren’t willing to give up multiple 1sts except for us, if we’re already the highest bidder, there would be no separate deal for Smart-Fournier.

In this trading environment, Smart is worth at least 2 1sts himself (what Portland traded to Houston for Covington) or straight up for Gordon. Fournier’s value as an expiring rental (in a non-salary dump going back to Orlando) is a highly protected 1st or 2 2nds.

The deal would fall through if the Magic insisted on Smart+2 1sts for Gordon, swap Smart for a pick swap and it might be a done deal.