What went wrong? Alot

[Birdman]

What went wrong with the Celtics to be what they are today? A lot of things just didn’t go our way..let’s look:

1. Kyrie Irving..he just seem he didn’t want to be here after first season and wanted out
2. Gordon Hayward’s injury..a great FA signing than the injury..no one fault, of course, but hurt the team not having him 110%
3. Anthony Davis no trade..Ainge stockpiling picks so he could get Davis..then rumor came out and said he wouldn’t resign here
4. Al Horford left..Don’t blame the Celtics for not resigning him to a bad, long contract but him leaving did hurt the team and no replacement for him
5. Kemba Walker..great signing at the time but his knee problems and he just doesn’t fit on this team on what Brad trying to do
6. Bad drafting..Romeo can’t stayed healthy, Grant & Carson belong in D-League, Nesmith hasn’t played much
7. No bench.. like Pierce said that we all knew along time, bench is bad..Teague & Semi shouldn’t be on the team and the players Ainge drafted as not contribute much..Thompson been okay and Theis & TimeLord been up and down

So a lot just hasn’t gone our way but hopefully it can be turn around with a trade or some good signings

[Celtics2021]

What went wrong with the Celtics to be what they are today? A lot of things just didn’t go our way..let’s look:

1. Kyrie Irving..he just seem he didn’t want to be here after first season and wanted out
2. Gordon Hayward’s injury..a great FA signing than the injury..no one fault, of course, but hurt the team not having him 110%
3. Anthony Davis no trade..Ainge stockpiling picks so he could get Davis..then rumor came out and said he wouldn’t resign here
4. Al Horford left..Don’t blame the Celtics for not resigning him to a bad, long contract but him leaving did hurt the team and no replacement for him
5. Kemba Walker..great signing at the time but his knee problems and he just doesn’t fit on this team on what Brad trying to do
6. Bad drafting..Romeo can’t stayed healthy, Grant & Carson belong in D-League, Nesmith hasn’t played much
7. No bench.. like Pierce said that we all knew along time, bench is bad..Teague & Semi shouldn’t be on the team and the players Ainge drafted as not contribute much..Thompson been okay and Theis & TimeLord been up and down

So a lot just hasn’t gone our way but hopefully it can be turn around with a trade or some good signings

#3 is alternate history.  When we got Kyrie, we couldn't trade for Davis until after Kyrie became a free agent.  By the time that happened, Davis decided to force a trade to the Lakers, who had since signed LeBron, who had no time for Brandon Ingram and was happy to trade him, as well as lost into a top 5 pick.  One can blame Ainge for not making a move for Kawhi, but Davis was never truly an option.

[gouki88]

What went wrong with the Celtics to be what they are today? A lot of things just didn’t go our way..let’s look:

1. Kyrie Irving..he just seem he didn’t want to be here after first season and wanted out
2. Gordon Hayward’s injury..a great FA signing than the injury..no one fault, of course, but hurt the team not having him 110%
3. Anthony Davis no trade..Ainge stockpiling picks so he could get Davis..then rumor came out and said he wouldn’t resign here
4. Al Horford left..Don’t blame the Celtics for not resigning him to a bad, long contract but him leaving did hurt the team and no replacement for him
5. Kemba Walker..great signing at the time but his knee problems and he just doesn’t fit on this team on what Brad trying to do
6. Bad drafting..Romeo can’t stayed healthy, Grant & Carson belong in D-League, Nesmith hasn’t played much
7. No bench.. like Pierce said that we all knew along time, bench is bad..Teague & Semi shouldn’t be on the team and the players Ainge drafted as not contribute much..Thompson been okay and Theis & TimeLord been up and down

So a lot just hasn’t gone our way but hopefully it can be turn around with a trade or some good signings

#3 is alternate history.  When we got Kyrie, we couldn't trade for Davis until after Kyrie became a free agent.  By the time that happened, Davis decided to force a trade to the Lakers, who had since signed LeBron, who had no time for Brandon Ingram and was happy to trade him, as well as lost into a top 5 pick.  One can blame Ainge for not making a move for Kawhi, but Davis was never truly an option.

Curse you Derrick Rose

[colincb]

GH injury killed BOS. It should be #1.

[Moranis]

What went wrong with the Celtics to be what they are today? A lot of things just didn’t go our way..let’s look:

1. Kyrie Irving..he just seem he didn’t want to be here after first season and wanted out
2. Gordon Hayward’s injury..a great FA signing than the injury..no one fault, of course, but hurt the team not having him 110%
3. Anthony Davis no trade..Ainge stockpiling picks so he could get Davis..then rumor came out and said he wouldn’t resign here
4. Al Horford left..Don’t blame the Celtics for not resigning him to a bad, long contract but him leaving did hurt the team and no replacement for him
5. Kemba Walker..great signing at the time but his knee problems and he just doesn’t fit on this team on what Brad trying to do
6. Bad drafting..Romeo can’t stayed healthy, Grant & Carson belong in D-League, Nesmith hasn’t played much
7. No bench.. like Pierce said that we all knew along time, bench is bad..Teague & Semi shouldn’t be on the team and the players Ainge drafted as not contribute much..Thompson been okay and Theis & TimeLord been up and down

So a lot just hasn’t gone our way but hopefully it can be turn around with a trade or some good signings

#3 is alternate history.  When we got Kyrie, we couldn't trade for Davis until after Kyrie became a free agent.  By the time that happened, Davis decided to force a trade to the Lakers, who had since signed LeBron, who had no time for Brandon Ingram and was happy to trade him, as well as lost into a top 5 pick.  One can blame Ainge for not making a move for Kawhi, but Davis was never truly an option.

Or Ainge could have just traded Irving somewhere used those assets to acquire Davis (along with probably Brown).  I mean a starting 5 of Rozier, Hayward, Tatum, Davis, and Horford with Smart as the 6th man would have been fantastic.

[perks-a-beast]

What went wrong with the Celtics to be what they are today? A lot of things just didn’t go our way..let’s look:

1. Kyrie Irving..he just seem he didn’t want to be here after first season and wanted out
2. Gordon Hayward’s injury..a great FA signing than the injury..no one fault, of course, but hurt the team not having him 110%
3. Anthony Davis no trade..Ainge stockpiling picks so he could get Davis..then rumor came out and said he wouldn’t resign here
4. Al Horford left..Don’t blame the Celtics for not resigning him to a bad, long contract but him leaving did hurt the team and no replacement for him
5. Kemba Walker..great signing at the time but his knee problems and he just doesn’t fit on this team on what Brad trying to do
6. Bad drafting..Romeo can’t stayed healthy, Grant & Carson belong in D-League, Nesmith hasn’t played much
7. No bench.. like Pierce said that we all knew along time, bench is bad..Teague & Semi shouldn’t be on the team and the players Ainge drafted as not contribute much..Thompson been okay and Theis & TimeLord been up and down

So a lot just hasn’t gone our way but hopefully it can be turn around with a trade or some good signings

1. Kyrie Irving. You make that trade with Cleveland 99 times out of 100 because of Kyries talent level and the fact that he filled a need, and was on a bargain of a contract which still had a few years on it. Even with that nut bags ego and erratic personality, you make that trade. IT was toast, Crowder was medicore, and the Nets pick that year was far from certain to yield anyone of substance. Sure, it'd be nice to have Colin Sexton right now, but this one wasn't Ainge's fault.

2. Gordon Hayward. GH's health will be one of the biggest "what ifs" in franchise history, but it was no ones fault, just a freak thing.

3. Anthony Davis. Davis's dad came out and said he didnt want his son to play here because of the way the franchise treated Isaiah Thomas. The idea that Danny Ainge screwed over IT is one of the most tired and ridiculous narratives of all time. These guys are awarre that the league is a business from day one, and god forbid you're traded to a team that had made the finals for 3 consecutive years, not like he sent him packing to Orlando. If AD shares those feelings then i'm glad he's not playing here because that is ridiculous.

4. Al Horford. Like you said, it's not DA's fault for not giving Horford a ridiculous contract like the one philly did. Al was well in to his 30's and on the decline.

5. Kemba Walker. Now we get to one that I actually blame DA for. This goes down as his worst move as GM in his 18 year tenure. I hated the signing when it happened and hate it three times as much now. You're right, Kembas an awful fit with what Brad is trying to do. This signing will derail this team for years to come, especially since no ones going to be willing to take on that bloated contract any time soon. Should have used that cap space to re-sign Rozier and Morris as they both played well with the J's and would have become tradable assets on reasonable contracts at the very least.

6. Bad drafting. 2019 -  I still think the Langford pick will end up looking smart in a couple of years, but Grant and Carsen have no place in the league outside of waving towels from the bench. We missed on two guys - Clarke and Thybulle - who i think both end up making a few all defensive teams between the two of them. 2020 - Hate the Nesmith pick, wanted Saddiq Bey. Should have came out with Bey, Pritchard, and Bane.

7. Bad Bench. Yup. Teague, Green, Ojeleye, GWilliams, Waters, Edwards shouldnt have NBA contracts. Should have bolstered the bench by drafting 3 or 4 year college players who were readfy to come in and contribute off the bat.

T. Rozier - R. Jackson - P. Pritchard
M. Smart - D. Bane - K. Johnson
J. Brown - S. Bey - R. Langford
J. Tatum - M. Morris - B. Clarke
M. Harrell - R. Williams - D. Theis

Wish this was our team right now (Harrell/Jackson signed instead of Thompson/Teague - can't stand those two!) Obviously that team is better than the one we have right now. Contenders? No. But better and with a lot more flexibilty and potential moving forwards.

[Celtics2021]

What went wrong with the Celtics to be what they are today? A lot of things just didn’t go our way..let’s look:

1. Kyrie Irving..he just seem he didn’t want to be here after first season and wanted out
2. Gordon Hayward’s injury..a great FA signing than the injury..no one fault, of course, but hurt the team not having him 110%
3. Anthony Davis no trade..Ainge stockpiling picks so he could get Davis..then rumor came out and said he wouldn’t resign here
4. Al Horford left..Don’t blame the Celtics for not resigning him to a bad, long contract but him leaving did hurt the team and no replacement for him
5. Kemba Walker..great signing at the time but his knee problems and he just doesn’t fit on this team on what Brad trying to do
6. Bad drafting..Romeo can’t stayed healthy, Grant & Carson belong in D-League, Nesmith hasn’t played much
7. No bench.. like Pierce said that we all knew along time, bench is bad..Teague & Semi shouldn’t be on the team and the players Ainge drafted as not contribute much..Thompson been okay and Theis & TimeLord been up and down

So a lot just hasn’t gone our way but hopefully it can be turn around with a trade or some good signings

#3 is alternate history.  When we got Kyrie, we couldn't trade for Davis until after Kyrie became a free agent.  By the time that happened, Davis decided to force a trade to the Lakers, who had since signed LeBron, who had no time for Brandon Ingram and was happy to trade him, as well as lost into a top 5 pick.  One can blame Ainge for not making a move for Kawhi, but Davis was never truly an option.

Or Ainge could have just traded Irving somewhere used those assets to acquire Davis (along with probably Brown).  I mean a starting 5 of Rozier, Hayward, Tatum, Davis, and Horford with Smart as the 6th man would have been fantastic.

Right, but when was Ainge going to do that?  Kyrie's first season?  Likely not.  The trade deadline of the second season when Davis was already demanding a trade to LA?  Too late.

[Ogaju]

What went wrong with the Celtics to be what they are today? A lot of things just didn’t go our way..let’s look:

1. Kyrie Irving..he just seem he didn’t want to be here after first season and wanted out
2. Gordon Hayward’s injury..a great FA signing than the injury..no one fault, of course, but hurt the team not having him 110%
3. Anthony Davis no trade..Ainge stockpiling picks so he could get Davis..then rumor came out and said he wouldn’t resign here
4. Al Horford left..Don’t blame the Celtics for not resigning him to a bad, long contract but him leaving did hurt the team and no replacement for him
5. Kemba Walker..great signing at the time but his knee problems and he just doesn’t fit on this team on what Brad trying to do
6. Bad drafting..Romeo can’t stayed healthy, Grant & Carson belong in D-League, Nesmith hasn’t played much
7. No bench.. like Pierce said that we all knew along time, bench is bad..Teague & Semi shouldn’t be on the team and the players Ainge drafted as not contribute much..Thompson been okay and Theis & TimeLord been up and down

So a lot just hasn’t gone our way but hopefully it can be turn around with a trade or some good signings

#3 is alternate history.  When we got Kyrie, we couldn't trade for Davis until after Kyrie became a free agent.  By the time that happened, Davis decided to force a trade to the Lakers, who had since signed LeBron, who had no time for Brandon Ingram and was happy to trade him, as well as lost into a top 5 pick.  One can blame Ainge for not making a move for Kawhi, but Davis was never truly an option.

Or Ainge could have just traded Irving somewhere used those assets to acquire Davis (along with probably Brown).  I mean a starting 5 of Rozier, Hayward, Tatum, Davis, and Horford with Smart as the 6th man would have been fantastic.

Right, but when was Ainge going to do that?  Kyrie's first season?  Likely not.  The trade deadline of the second season when Davis was already demanding a trade to LA?  Too late.

I believe that statement by Anthony Davis’ dad was just part of the Klutch scorched earth tactics to get him to the Lakers.

Regarding Kyrie trade, I believe Danny should have traded him especially when it became clear that Davis was not going to the Cs. Danny should have known that Kyrie was not re-signing without Davis.

[Celtics2021]

What went wrong with the Celtics to be what they are today? A lot of things just didn’t go our way..let’s look:

1. Kyrie Irving..he just seem he didn’t want to be here after first season and wanted out
2. Gordon Hayward’s injury..a great FA signing than the injury..no one fault, of course, but hurt the team not having him 110%
3. Anthony Davis no trade..Ainge stockpiling picks so he could get Davis..then rumor came out and said he wouldn’t resign here
4. Al Horford left..Don’t blame the Celtics for not resigning him to a bad, long contract but him leaving did hurt the team and no replacement for him
5. Kemba Walker..great signing at the time but his knee problems and he just doesn’t fit on this team on what Brad trying to do
6. Bad drafting..Romeo can’t stayed healthy, Grant & Carson belong in D-League, Nesmith hasn’t played much
7. No bench.. like Pierce said that we all knew along time, bench is bad..Teague & Semi shouldn’t be on the team and the players Ainge drafted as not contribute much..Thompson been okay and Theis & TimeLord been up and down

So a lot just hasn’t gone our way but hopefully it can be turn around with a trade or some good signings

#3 is alternate history.  When we got Kyrie, we couldn't trade for Davis until after Kyrie became a free agent.  By the time that happened, Davis decided to force a trade to the Lakers, who had since signed LeBron, who had no time for Brandon Ingram and was happy to trade him, as well as lost into a top 5 pick.  One can blame Ainge for not making a move for Kawhi, but Davis was never truly an option.

Or Ainge could have just traded Irving somewhere used those assets to acquire Davis (along with probably Brown).  I mean a starting 5 of Rozier, Hayward, Tatum, Davis, and Horford with Smart as the 6th man would have been fantastic.

Right, but when was Ainge going to do that?  Kyrie's first season?  Likely not.  The trade deadline of the second season when Davis was already demanding a trade to LA?  Too late.

I believe that statement by Anthony Davis’ dad was just part of the Klutch scorched earth tactics to get him to the Lakers.

Regarding Kyrie trade, I believe Danny should have traded him especially when it became clear that Davis was not going to the Cs. Danny should have known that Kyrie was not re-signing without Davis.

For sure it was scorched earth.  And it was successful, because it got him to the team he wanted, with pretty much every other team shut out.  They did well to get what they did for him, with a couple of top 2 picks on rookie deals.  Point being, by that point it was too late for the Celtics to get him.

And as for your other point, Moranis is arguing that Kyrie should have been traded presumably in the middle of his second season in order to bring AD to the C's, which maybe there was a 1 month window from mid-November to mid-December when Kyrie would have had sufficient trade value to other teams and Davis had yet to go scorched earth to the Lakers.  (That said, there is zero guarantee he wouldn't have ultimately gone scorched earth even on the C's, and also seemingly would have cost the team Tatum to acquire.)

To get back to my original point, the concept that Ainge ever seriously had an opportunity to add Davis to the Celtics, especially a version of the Celtics with Kyrie that would have made Kyrie a happy and productive teammate, is revisionist history, at best.

[Moranis]

What went wrong with the Celtics to be what they are today? A lot of things just didn’t go our way..let’s look:

1. Kyrie Irving..he just seem he didn’t want to be here after first season and wanted out
2. Gordon Hayward’s injury..a great FA signing than the injury..no one fault, of course, but hurt the team not having him 110%
3. Anthony Davis no trade..Ainge stockpiling picks so he could get Davis..then rumor came out and said he wouldn’t resign here
4. Al Horford left..Don’t blame the Celtics for not resigning him to a bad, long contract but him leaving did hurt the team and no replacement for him
5. Kemba Walker..great signing at the time but his knee problems and he just doesn’t fit on this team on what Brad trying to do
6. Bad drafting..Romeo can’t stayed healthy, Grant & Carson belong in D-League, Nesmith hasn’t played much
7. No bench.. like Pierce said that we all knew along time, bench is bad..Teague & Semi shouldn’t be on the team and the players Ainge drafted as not contribute much..Thompson been okay and Theis & TimeLord been up and down

So a lot just hasn’t gone our way but hopefully it can be turn around with a trade or some good signings

#3 is alternate history.  When we got Kyrie, we couldn't trade for Davis until after Kyrie became a free agent.  By the time that happened, Davis decided to force a trade to the Lakers, who had since signed LeBron, who had no time for Brandon Ingram and was happy to trade him, as well as lost into a top 5 pick.  One can blame Ainge for not making a move for Kawhi, but Davis was never truly an option.

Or Ainge could have just traded Irving somewhere used those assets to acquire Davis (along with probably Brown).  I mean a starting 5 of Rozier, Hayward, Tatum, Davis, and Horford with Smart as the 6th man would have been fantastic.

Right, but when was Ainge going to do that?  Kyrie's first season?  Likely not.  The trade deadline of the second season when Davis was already demanding a trade to LA?  Too late.

any time after the first year when the team went to the conference finals without Irving.  Davis is a significantly better player and was signed for an extra year.  You should always make that move.  of course I would have traded Irving regardless and made that pretty clear at the time.  Irving was a huge problem on the team and Ainge should have recognized he wasn't worth the headache, had a real chance to leave, and should have cashed in the asset.

[SparzWizard]

I don't think we would've gotten Davis without giving up Tatum.

And Davis would have been only a one-year rental. Would that have convinced Irving to stay? Maybe.

[Birdman]

Hayward injury really hurt the Celtics..if he didn’t get hurt, I say we went to Finals and he may still be here

[td450]

What went wrong with the Celtics to be what they are today? A lot of things just didn’t go our way..let’s look:

1. Kyrie Irving..he just seem he didn’t want to be here after first season and wanted out
2. Gordon Hayward’s injury..a great FA signing than the injury..no one fault, of course, but hurt the team not having him 110%
3. Anthony Davis no trade..Ainge stockpiling picks so he could get Davis..then rumor came out and said he wouldn’t resign here
4. Al Horford left..Don’t blame the Celtics for not resigning him to a bad, long contract but him leaving did hurt the team and no replacement for him
5. Kemba Walker..great signing at the time but his knee problems and he just doesn’t fit on this team on what Brad trying to do
6. Bad drafting..Romeo can’t stayed healthy, Grant & Carson belong in D-League, Nesmith hasn’t played much
7. No bench.. like Pierce said that we all knew along time, bench is bad..Teague & Semi shouldn’t be on the team and the players Ainge drafted as not contribute much..Thompson been okay and Theis & TimeLord been up and down

So a lot just hasn’t gone our way but hopefully it can be turn around with a trade or some good signings

#3 is alternate history.  When we got Kyrie, we couldn't trade for Davis until after Kyrie became a free agent.  By the time that happened, Davis decided to force a trade to the Lakers, who had since signed LeBron, who had no time for Brandon Ingram and was happy to trade him, as well as lost into a top 5 pick.  One can blame Ainge for not making a move for Kawhi, but Davis was never truly an option.

Or Ainge could have just traded Irving somewhere used those assets to acquire Davis (along with probably Brown).  I mean a starting 5 of Rozier, Hayward, Tatum, Davis, and Horford with Smart as the 6th man would have been fantastic.

1. Trade Kyrie Irving after year 1. Everyone knew he was great and everyone knew he was crazy. Crazy isn't really a Celtic way to go.

2. Do not sign Horford. Really good player but if he wanted too much money he had to go.

3. Do not sign Kemba. Very good player but he doesn't fit the team identity and pollutes Hayward's role. Only player on the scene worth the money at the time was Brogdon, but if we didn't get him, fine, keep looking.

4. Commit fully to a comfortable role for Hayward. The team core is that we have 3 very good two-way wings. Hayward gets the ball as much as Tatum does.

5. Be more aggressive searching for compliments at point and power forward. We had assets to use and because we only needed to come out with 3 or so quality players, so be willing to overpay for the right guys. Look for defensive versatility and size at the point guard position.

That is all we had to do. No crazy luck, no Anthony Davis suddenly deciding he wants to be here.

[Birdman]

I fully believed that the Celtics organization & Ainge was 110% after Anthony Davis and was going to offer everything they could to get him..that’s one reason they was stockpiling picks..then found out he wouldn’t resign here and BAM, next option

[NKY fan]

I fully believed that the Celtics organization & Ainge was 110% after Anthony Davis and was going to offer everything they could to get him..that’s one reason they was stockpiling picks..then found out he wouldn’t resign here and BAM, next option

29 teams were hot on Davis. It’s just dumb that to be your main plan. What a surprise he would sign where lebron is. I think it’s just a convenient excuse for assets mismanagement