I don’t believe the Collins to Celtics buzz

[todd_days_41]

It’s amazing how some fans have talked themselves out of every good to very good player available this season.  No to Barnes, to Oladipo, to Collins, etc. 

If we are not willing to commit $25-$28 million to a player, why do we have the TPE in the first place? Why did we give up assets for that?

2 2nd Round picks? Not exactly a King's ransom for a team with more kid projects than a daycare.

Couldn't the Cs just SnT for Collins this summer for $28.5M a season if that's what both he and the Cs really want? Price would be considerably lower, I'd think.

Eh.  Two second rounders is what we just got for Kanter plus Desmond Bane.  They are not meaningless.  If Danny just gave them away for nothing for a TPE that he is precluded from using financially, then that was yet another bad move this off-season.

No, we can’t sign in trade for Collins because that would hard cap us.

Unless we trade someone.

But wouldn't we have the same problem if we sign him to a massive extension this summer?

[Big333223]

Reading this thread just makes me think that Aaron Gordon is the better target. He's a similar player (super-athletic 4 who can play some 5) but is less expensive and I think (by reputation, anyway) is a better, more versatile defender and he's on a great contract.

[Roy H.]

It’s amazing how some fans have talked themselves out of every good to very good player available this season.  No to Barnes, to Oladipo, to Collins, etc. 

If we are not willing to commit $25-$28 million to a player, why do we have the TPE in the first place? Why did we give up assets for that?

2 2nd Round picks? Not exactly a King's ransom for a team with more kid projects than a daycare.

Couldn't the Cs just SnT for Collins this summer for $28.5M a season if that's what both he and the Cs really want? Price would be considerably lower, I'd think.

Eh.  Two second rounders is what we just got for Kanter plus Desmond Bane.  They are not meaningless.  If Danny just gave them away for nothing for a TPE that he is precluded from using financially, then that was yet another bad move this off-season.

No, we can’t sign in trade for Collins because that would hard cap us.

Unless we trade someone.

But wouldn't we have the same problem if we sign him to a massive extension this summer?

Not in terms of a hard cap, no.

[Roy H.]

Reading this thread just makes me think that Aaron Gordon is the better target. He's a similar player (super-athletic 4 who can play some 5) but is less expensive and I think (by reputation, anyway) is a better, more versatile defender and he's on a great contract.

Gordon is much less efficient, and is an inferior score and rebounder.

The contract is definitely better, but in terms of making an impact on our team, Collins would be a significantly better fit. He’s a legitimate part of a big three, whereas Gordon is just a nice role player. 

[Roy H.]

I don't believe Collins to Celtics rumor because I doubt Ainge thinks he is a good fit with this roster. He doesn't make us more competitive with the Nets, Bucks or Sixers.

Why wouldn't he be a good fit?  He's an uber-athletic finisher who also stretches the floor.  Danny said his number one goal is a stretch four.  That's exactly what Collins is, except he's way more well-rounded than that.

He's basically Theis with shorter arms, who shoots better but defends worse.  Not a good fit next to our future star center (whom you have tried to throw in to your trade package numerous times for Collins), Rob Williams.

Oh, did we have this conversation already? He’s just like Theis, except he doubles Theis’ production, legitimately stretches the floor, is 23 years old and is significantly more athletic?

[Moranis]

I don't believe Collins to Celtics rumor because I doubt Ainge thinks he is a good fit with this roster. He doesn't make us more competitive with the Nets, Bucks or Sixers.

Why wouldn't he be a good fit?  He's an uber-athletic finisher who also stretches the floor.  Danny said his number one goal is a stretch four.  That's exactly what Collins is, except he's way more well-rounded than that.

He's basically Theis with shorter arms, who shoots better but defends worse.  Not a good fit next to our future star center (whom you have tried to throw in to your trade package numerous times for Collins), Rob Williams.

Oh, did we have this conversation already? He’s just like Theis, except he doubles Theis’ production, legitimately stretches the floor, is 23 years old and is significantly more athletic?

And I think Collins would be fine next to Williams.  I actually think they'd be a decent fit with each doing what the other doesn't.

[byennie]

I don't believe Collins to Celtics rumor because I doubt Ainge thinks he is a good fit with this roster. He doesn't make us more competitive with the Nets, Bucks or Sixers.

Why wouldn't he be a good fit?  He's an uber-athletic finisher who also stretches the floor.  Danny said his number one goal is a stretch four.  That's exactly what Collins is, except he's way more well-rounded than that.

He's basically Theis with shorter arms, who shoots better but defends worse.  Not a good fit next to our future star center (whom you have tried to throw in to your trade package numerous times for Collins), Rob Williams.

Oh, did we have this conversation already? He’s just like Theis, except he doubles Theis’ production, legitimately stretches the floor, is 23 years old and is significantly more athletic?

Lol, I remember this one. Personally I'm like Theis, just 5 inches shorter, 13 years older and can't dunk. I would play for the minimum, though.

[Roy H.]

I don't believe Collins to Celtics rumor because I doubt Ainge thinks he is a good fit with this roster. He doesn't make us more competitive with the Nets, Bucks or Sixers.

Why wouldn't he be a good fit?  He's an uber-athletic finisher who also stretches the floor.  Danny said his number one goal is a stretch four.  That's exactly what Collins is, except he's way more well-rounded than that.

He's basically Theis with shorter arms, who shoots better but defends worse.  Not a good fit next to our future star center (whom you have tried to throw in to your trade package numerous times for Collins), Rob Williams.

Oh, did we have this conversation already? He’s just like Theis, except he doubles Theis’ production, legitimately stretches the floor, is 23 years old and is significantly more athletic?

Lol, I remember this one. Personally I'm like Theis, just 5 inches shorter, 13 years older and can't dunk. I would play for the minimum, though.

I’m similar.  Also, I’m not German, don’t have any tattoos, and can’t consistently make an NBA three, even in practice.

Really, I’d be just like Theis if Theis was a 5’10” version of Bill Laimbeer with a little bit less innate ability.

[Sophomore]

There are a lot of discouraging reports about Collins and Gordon. Claims Orlando and Atlanta don’t want to sell, and even if they would make a trade there are bottom-dwelling teams in the talks that could give high draft picks. Is it smoke, to drive up the price, or is it real? Wish I knew. For now, I’m thinking we won’t be able to afford the price of either guy; ready to be disappointed.

[Celtics2021]

There are a lot of discouraging reports about Collins and Gordon. Claims Orlando and Atlanta don’t want to sell, and even if they would make a trade there are bottom-dwelling teams in the talks that could give high draft picks. Is it smoke, to drive up the price, or is it real? Wish I knew. For now, I’m thinking we won’t be able to afford the price of either guy; ready to be disappointed.

If Orlando can get a bottom-dwelling team to give up a high draft pick for a guy that hasn't proven to be more than the 2nd-best player on a mediocre or bottom-dwelling team in his 7 years of NBA basketball, then Orlando should trade Gordon in an instant to the franchise with the "Kick Me" post-it on his back.

I think Gordon would be a nice fit in Boston as our 4th/5th best player, but a franchise cornerstone he is not, and it's hard for me to believe even the worst-run franchises out there would see otherwise.  I guess Minnesota exists, but they're unable to trade a 1st until 2024.

[Sophomore]

There are a lot of discouraging reports about Collins and Gordon. Claims Orlando and Atlanta don’t want to sell, and even if they would make a trade there are bottom-dwelling teams in the talks that could give high draft picks. Is it smoke, to drive up the price, or is it real? Wish I knew. For now, I’m thinking we won’t be able to afford the price of either guy; ready to be disappointed.

If Orlando can get a bottom-dwelling team to give up a high draft pick for a guy that hasn't proven to be more than the 2nd-best player on a mediocre or bottom-dwelling team in his 7 years of NBA basketball, then Orlando should trade Gordon in an instant to the franchise with the "Kick Me" post-it on his back.

I think Gordon would be a nice fit in Boston as our 4th/5th best player, but a franchise cornerstone he is not, and it's hard for me to believe even the worst-run franchises out there would see otherwise.  I guess Minnesota exists, but they're unable to trade a 1st until 2024.

Yeah, that’s probably right, esp for Gordon.

[gouki88]

I don't believe Collins to Celtics rumor because I doubt Ainge thinks he is a good fit with this roster. He doesn't make us more competitive with the Nets, Bucks or Sixers.

Why wouldn't he be a good fit?  He's an uber-athletic finisher who also stretches the floor.  Danny said his number one goal is a stretch four.  That's exactly what Collins is, except he's way more well-rounded than that.

He's basically Theis with shorter arms, who shoots better but defends worse.  Not a good fit next to our future star center (whom you have tried to throw in to your trade package numerous times for Collins), Rob Williams.

Ridiculous comparison. He's basically Theis if Theis doubled his scoring output, shot better from 3 and improved his rebounding. So, in other words, nothing remotely like Theis at all??

Edit: oh, and he's 5 years younger than Theis, as well as much more athletic.

[Big333223]

Reading this thread just makes me think that Aaron Gordon is the better target. He's a similar player (super-athletic 4 who can play some 5) but is less expensive and I think (by reputation, anyway) is a better, more versatile defender and he's on a great contract.

Gordon is much less efficient, and is an inferior score and rebounder.

The contract is definitely better, but in terms of making an impact on our team, Collins would be a significantly better fit. He’s a legitimate part of a big three, whereas Gordon is just a nice role player.

I think that's probably right. The question is, is he so much better as to justify how much more money he'll cost? And not just the money but what that money does to team building going forward?

EDIT: It's also worth noting that Gordon is a much better playmaker than Collins.

[GreenCoffeeBean]

Theis is some weird player with the offense of a bad PF and the defense of a bad Center. Comparing him to Collins who is a true PF makes no sense.

I don’t think we can afford Collins without getting rid of two of Kemba, Smart, and Brown.

[Fafnir]

Theis is a good defensive center overall. He isn't a perfect player but he gets the job done.