NFL 2021 Season

[SparzWizard]

Special teams killed this game for the Pats. Also bad offense in the first half three quarters didn't help. Colts stated they would make us look one-dimensional and they did just that. Horrid.

[celticsclay]

This loss is on the Pats coaching staff. Horrible game plan going into it. Colts said they were going to stuff the line and force Mac to throw. So what do the Pats do? Throw 10 times in the first half and put up zero  :-[points going into halftime. Mac wasn’t involved in the offense for a game and a half and was rusty. Shocking. Pats played slow for most of the 4th and kicked that FG instead of going for a TD. More conservative play. Good luck beating good teams playing like that.

I agree

[nickagneta]

This loss is on the Pats coaching staff. Horrible game plan going into it. Colts said they were going to stuff the line and force Mac to throw. So what do the Pats do? Throw 10 times in the first half and put up zero  :-[points going into halftime. Mac wasn’t involved in the offense for a game and a half and was rusty. Shocking. Pats played slow for most of the 4th and kicked that FG instead of going for a TD. More conservative play. Good luck beating good teams playing like that.

I agree

Meh. Total team collapse.

I'm not going to absolve the atrocious play of the defensive line for a half, the offensive line for 3 quarters, all those guys taking terrible penalties, Jones for two bad INTs that cost the Pats points and the players that couldn't stop Taylor on tht TD run late in the fourth. That was all on them.

Terrible game plan to start the game, not having the team ready to perform to start the game and taking to long to adjust, well, that's on the coaches.

But let's not pretend that the players didn't suck for a major portion of this game. Because they did.

[Billz401]

The 1st pick Mac threw was pretty bad but I gotta give him a break on the second one. Just a terrible and idiotic play call. 4th and 1 and they call a far out route to Brandon Bolden of all people? Against a cb too who actually made a great play diving for that pick. All they needed to do was qb sneak it which is basically an automatic 2 yards every time

[Goldstar88]

This loss is on the Pats coaching staff. Horrible game plan going into it. Colts said they were going to stuff the line and force Mac to throw. So what do the Pats do? Throw 10 times in the first half and put up zero  :-[points going into halftime. Mac wasn’t involved in the offense for a game and a half and was rusty. Shocking. Pats played slow for most of the 4th and kicked that FG instead of going for a TD. More conservative play. Good luck beating good teams playing like that.

I agree

Meh. Total team collapse.

I'm not going to absolve the atrocious play of the defensive line for a half, the offensive line for 3 quarters, all those guys taking terrible penalties, Jones for two bad INTs that cost the Pats points and the players that couldn't stop Taylor on tht TD run late in the fourth. That was all on them.

Terrible game plan to start the game, not having the team ready to perform to start the game and taking to long to adjust, well, that's on the coaches.

But let's not pretend that the players didn't suck for a major portion of this game. Because they did.

Those two Int’s were in the first half, where Mac was clearly rusty since he had barely thrown the ball in a game and a half. In the second half, where Pats were now down 17-0 and forced to throw, he was much better. 2TD’s, no INT’s. Mac finished the game with 299 yards passing and 74.2 rating. Not terrible considering he was only allowed to throw the ball 10 times in the first half. Wentz finished the game with 57 yards passing, 1TD, 1INT and a passer rating of 49.7. Bills ran the ball right down the Pats throat and had more rushing yards than NE did vs the Bills last game.

The coaching staff sticking to their guns and using the same game plan in a Dome that they did vs the Bills which was outdoors in terrible conditions is just arrogant. It didn’t work in the first or second quarter and they didn’t want to  switch gears until down 3 scorers in the second half. That’s bad coaching and it isn’t going to cut it if the Pats do indeed make it to the playoffs.

[nickagneta]

This loss is on the Pats coaching staff. Horrible game plan going into it. Colts said they were going to stuff the line and force Mac to throw. So what do the Pats do? Throw 10 times in the first half and put up zero  :-[points going into halftime. Mac wasn’t involved in the offense for a game and a half and was rusty. Shocking. Pats played slow for most of the 4th and kicked that FG instead of going for a TD. More conservative play. Good luck beating good teams playing like that.

I agree

Meh. Total team collapse.

I'm not going to absolve the atrocious play of the defensive line for a half, the offensive line for 3 quarters, all those guys taking terrible penalties, Jones for two bad INTs that cost the Pats points and the players that couldn't stop Taylor on tht TD run late in the fourth. That was all on them.

Terrible game plan to start the game, not having the team ready to perform to start the game and taking to long to adjust, well, that's on the coaches.

But let's not pretend that the players didn't suck for a major portion of this game. Because they did.

Those two Int’s were in the first half, where Mac was clearly rusty since he had barely thrown the ball in a game and a half. In the second half, where Pats were now down 17-0 and forced to throw, he was much better. 2TD’s, no INT’s. Mac finished the game with 299 yards passing and 74.2 rating. Not terrible considering he was only allowed to throw the ball 10 times in the first half. Wentz finished the game with 57 yards passing, 1TD, 1INT and a passer rating of 49.7. Bills ran the ball right down the Pats throat and had. Ore running yards than NE did vs the Bills last game.

The coaching staff sticking to their guns and using the same game plan in a Dome  that they did vs the Bills which was outdoors in terrible conditions is just arrogant. It didn’t work in the first or second quarter and they don’t switch gears until down 3 scorers. That isn’t going to cut it if the Pats do indeed make it to the playoffs.

Stop with the rustiness talk. That's an excuse. Have you ever played football or watched a practice. QBs get tons of throws in every week, a lot against their own in real time defenses. This far into the season there is no such thing as rustiness, the idea is absurd in football.

And they didn't have close to the same game plan as last week. On many occasions this year Jones threw for less than 12 attempts per half.

[Goldstar88]

This loss is on the Pats coaching staff. Horrible game plan going into it. Colts said they were going to stuff the line and force Mac to throw. So what do the Pats do? Throw 10 times in the first half and put up zero  :-[points going into halftime. Mac wasn’t involved in the offense for a game and a half and was rusty. Shocking. Pats played slow for most of the 4th and kicked that FG instead of going for a TD. More conservative play. Good luck beating good teams playing like that.

I agree

Meh. Total team collapse.

I'm not going to absolve the atrocious play of the defensive line for a half, the offensive line for 3 quarters, all those guys taking terrible penalties, Jones for two bad INTs that cost the Pats points and the players that couldn't stop Taylor on tht TD run late in the fourth. That was all on them.

Terrible game plan to start the game, not having the team ready to perform to start the game and taking to long to adjust, well, that's on the coaches.

But let's not pretend that the players didn't suck for a major portion of this game. Because they did.

Those two Int’s were in the first half, where Mac was clearly rusty since he had barely thrown the ball in a game and a half. In the second half, where Pats were now down 17-0 and forced to throw, he was much better. 2TD’s, no INT’s. Mac finished the game with 299 yards passing and 74.2 rating. Not terrible considering he was only allowed to throw the ball 10 times in the first half. Wentz finished the game with 57 yards passing, 1TD, 1INT and a passer rating of 49.7. Bills ran the ball right down the Pats throat and had. Ore running yards than NE did vs the Bills last game.

The coaching staff sticking to their guns and using the same game plan in a Dome  that they did vs the Bills which was outdoors in terrible conditions is just arrogant. It didn’t work in the first or second quarter and they don’t switch gears until down 3 scorers. That isn’t going to cut it if the Pats do indeed make it to the playoffs.

Stop with the rustiness talk. That's an excuse. Have you ever played football or watched a practice. QBs get tons of throws in every week, a lot against their real time defenses. This far into the season there is no such thing as rustiness, the idea is absurd in football.

Are you really comparing throwing the ball in practice vs a live game, where the opposition is trying to take you out?

I may not have played football in college, but I did play other sports and Insinuating that you don’t lose your edge when your not able to play against a real opponent is just untrue.

[nickagneta]

This loss is on the Pats coaching staff. Horrible game plan going into it. Colts said they were going to stuff the line and force Mac to throw. So what do the Pats do? Throw 10 times in the first half and put up zero  :-[points going into halftime. Mac wasn’t involved in the offense for a game and a half and was rusty. Shocking. Pats played slow for most of the 4th and kicked that FG instead of going for a TD. More conservative play. Good luck beating good teams playing like that.

I agree

Meh. Total team collapse.

I'm not going to absolve the atrocious play of the defensive line for a half, the offensive line for 3 quarters, all those guys taking terrible penalties, Jones for two bad INTs that cost the Pats points and the players that couldn't stop Taylor on tht TD run late in the fourth. That was all on them.

Terrible game plan to start the game, not having the team ready to perform to start the game and taking to long to adjust, well, that's on the coaches.

But let's not pretend that the players didn't suck for a major portion of this game. Because they did.

Those two Int’s were in the first half, where Mac was clearly rusty since he had barely thrown the ball in a game and a half. In the second half, where Pats were now down 17-0 and forced to throw, he was much better. 2TD’s, no INT’s. Mac finished the game with 299 yards passing and 74.2 rating. Not terrible considering he was only allowed to throw the ball 10 times in the first half. Wentz finished the game with 57 yards passing, 1TD, 1INT and a passer rating of 49.7. Bills ran the ball right down the Pats throat and had. Ore running yards than NE did vs the Bills last game.

The coaching staff sticking to their guns and using the same game plan in a Dome  that they did vs the Bills which was outdoors in terrible conditions is just arrogant. It didn’t work in the first or second quarter and they don’t switch gears until down 3 scorers. That isn’t going to cut it if the Pats do indeed make it to the playoffs.

Stop with the rustiness talk. That's an excuse. Have you ever played football or watched a practice. QBs get tons of throws in every week, a lot against their real time defenses. This far into the season there is no such thing as rustiness, the idea is absurd in football.

Are you really comparing throwing the ball in practice vs a live game, where the opposition is trying to take you out?

I may not have played football in college, but I did play other sports and Insinuating that you don’t lose your edge when your not able to play against a real opponent is just untrue.

Though QBs have a red shirt on in practice, they play against their own defense, who knows their plays, in game speed conditions 3 times a week. It is absolutely as close to game conditions as you can get.

Basketball and hockey practice where 1st team/lines scrimmage against 2nd teams/lines are completely different than football where first team offense scrimmages against first team defense.

1st string QBs don't get rusty. Trust me on that. They get too many reps in every week for weeks to get rusty simply because they didn't throw a lot for a game.

I mean, look at all the QBs that go out with injury for a week or three and come back and are great. It happens all the time. Why did they not get rusty.

I'm telling you Goldstar, this is an unreal serious reach to blame the coaches. Rustiness doesn't happen to QBs playing every week this far into a season.

[celticsclay]

This loss is on the Pats coaching staff. Horrible game plan going into it. Colts said they were going to stuff the line and force Mac to throw. So what do the Pats do? Throw 10 times in the first half and put up zero  :-[points going into halftime. Mac wasn’t involved in the offense for a game and a half and was rusty. Shocking. Pats played slow for most of the 4th and kicked that FG instead of going for a TD. More conservative play. Good luck beating good teams playing like that.

I agree

Meh. Total team collapse.

I'm not going to absolve the atrocious play of the defensive line for a half, the offensive line for 3 quarters, all those guys taking terrible penalties, Jones for two bad INTs that cost the Pats points and the players that couldn't stop Taylor on tht TD run late in the fourth. That was all on them.

Terrible game plan to start the game, not having the team ready to perform to start the game and taking to long to adjust, well, that's on the coaches.

But let's not pretend that the players didn't suck for a major portion of this game. Because they did.

Those two Int’s were in the first half, where Mac was clearly rusty since he had barely thrown the ball in a game and a half. In the second half, where Pats were now down 17-0 and forced to throw, he was much better. 2TD’s, no INT’s. Mac finished the game with 299 yards passing and 74.2 rating. Not terrible considering he was only allowed to throw the ball 10 times in the first half. Wentz finished the game with 57 yards passing, 1TD, 1INT and a passer rating of 49.7. Bills ran the ball right down the Pats throat and had. Ore running yards than NE did vs the Bills last game.

The coaching staff sticking to their guns and using the same game plan in a Dome  that they did vs the Bills which was outdoors in terrible conditions is just arrogant. It didn’t work in the first or second quarter and they don’t switch gears until down 3 scorers. That isn’t going to cut it if the Pats do indeed make it to the playoffs.

Stop with the rustiness talk. That's an excuse. Have you ever played football or watched a practice. QBs get tons of throws in every week, a lot against their real time defenses. This far into the season there is no such thing as rustiness, the idea is absurd in football.

Are you really comparing throwing the ball in practice vs a live game, where the opposition is trying to take you out?

I may not have played football in college, but I did play other sports and Insinuating that you don’t lose your edge when your not able to play against a real opponent is just untrue.

Though QBs have a red shirt on in practice, they play against their own defense, who knows their plays, in game speed conditions 3 times a week. It is absolutely as close to game conditions as you can get.

Basketball and hockey practice where 1st team/lines scrimmage against 2nd teams/lines are completely different than football where first team offense scrimmages against first team defense.

1st string QBs don't get rusty. Trust me on that. They get too many reps in every week for weeks to get rusty simply because they didn't throw a lot for a game.

I mean, look at all the QBs that go out with injury for a week or three and come back and are great. It happens all the time. Why did they not get rusty.

I'm telling you Goldstar, this is an unreal serious reach to blame the coaches. Rustiness doesn't happen to QBs playing every week this far into a season.

Nick, I agree with you that we can't totally blame the coaches for last nights loss. I was probably a little harsh on it cause I was upset with the result last night. The blocked punt was an example of poor execution and mac jones threw a lousy interception. That all being said, would you say the coaches deserve some blame for how conservative their game plan was and how long it took them to get out of the plan? I am not asking Mac Jones to throw bombs, but he is very accurate on short passes and they have moved the ball all year when they let him do it. The running game was getting completely stuffed and I think they were also missing Harris. Would have liked to see more passing in the second quarter.

[Phantom255x]

So Carolina's kicker got hurt during warmups and so they basically have no kicker lol. Technically PJ Walker (backup QB) is the emergency kicker now but Carolina recently had a 4th and 9 from the Bills 24-yard line and elected to go for it. Wow.

[Goldstar88]

This loss is on the Pats coaching staff. Horrible game plan going into it. Colts said they were going to stuff the line and force Mac to throw. So what do the Pats do? Throw 10 times in the first half and put up zero  :-[points going into halftime. Mac wasn’t involved in the offense for a game and a half and was rusty. Shocking. Pats played slow for most of the 4th and kicked that FG instead of going for a TD. More conservative play. Good luck beating good teams playing like that.

I agree

Meh. Total team collapse.

I'm not going to absolve the atrocious play of the defensive line for a half, the offensive line for 3 quarters, all those guys taking terrible penalties, Jones for two bad INTs that cost the Pats points and the players that couldn't stop Taylor on tht TD run late in the fourth. That was all on them.

Terrible game plan to start the game, not having the team ready to perform to start the game and taking to long to adjust, well, that's on the coaches.

But let's not pretend that the players didn't suck for a major portion of this game. Because they did.

Those two Int’s were in the first half, where Mac was clearly rusty since he had barely thrown the ball in a game and a half. In the second half, where Pats were now down 17-0 and forced to throw, he was much better. 2TD’s, no INT’s. Mac finished the game with 299 yards passing and 74.2 rating. Not terrible considering he was only allowed to throw the ball 10 times in the first half. Wentz finished the game with 57 yards passing, 1TD, 1INT and a passer rating of 49.7. Bills ran the ball right down the Pats throat and had. Ore running yards than NE did vs the Bills last game.

The coaching staff sticking to their guns and using the same game plan in a Dome  that they did vs the Bills which was outdoors in terrible conditions is just arrogant. It didn’t work in the first or second quarter and they don’t switch gears until down 3 scorers. That isn’t going to cut it if the Pats do indeed make it to the playoffs.

Stop with the rustiness talk. That's an excuse. Have you ever played football or watched a practice. QBs get tons of throws in every week, a lot against their real time defenses. This far into the season there is no such thing as rustiness, the idea is absurd in football.

Are you really comparing throwing the ball in practice vs a live game, where the opposition is trying to take you out?

I may not have played football in college, but I did play other sports and Insinuating that you don’t lose your edge when your not able to play against a real opponent is just untrue.

Though QBs have a red shirt on in practice, they play against their own defense, who knows their plays, in game speed conditions 3 times a week. It is absolutely as close to game conditions as you can get.

Basketball and hockey practice where 1st team/lines scrimmage against 2nd teams/lines are completely different than football where first team offense scrimmages against first team defense.

1st string QBs don't get rusty. Trust me on that. They get too many reps in every week for weeks to get rusty simply because they didn't throw a lot for a game.

I mean, look at all the QBs that go out with injury for a week or three and come back and are great. It happens all the time. Why did they not get rusty.

I'm telling you Goldstar, this is an unreal serious reach to blame the coaches. Rustiness doesn't happen to QBs playing every week this far into a season.

Agree to disagree, I suppose. I don’t believe that it was a coincidence that Mac played much better and was in rhythm during the second half once the coaches were forced to let him throw.

[nickagneta]

This loss is on the Pats coaching staff. Horrible game plan going into it. Colts said they were going to stuff the line and force Mac to throw. So what do the Pats do? Throw 10 times in the first half and put up zero  :-[points going into halftime. Mac wasn’t involved in the offense for a game and a half and was rusty. Shocking. Pats played slow for most of the 4th and kicked that FG instead of going for a TD. More conservative play. Good luck beating good teams playing like that.

I agree

Meh. Total team collapse.

I'm not going to absolve the atrocious play of the defensive line for a half, the offensive line for 3 quarters, all those guys taking terrible penalties, Jones for two bad INTs that cost the Pats points and the players that couldn't stop Taylor on tht TD run late in the fourth. That was all on them.

Terrible game plan to start the game, not having the team ready to perform to start the game and taking to long to adjust, well, that's on the coaches.

But let's not pretend that the players didn't suck for a major portion of this game. Because they did.

Those two Int’s were in the first half, where Mac was clearly rusty since he had barely thrown the ball in a game and a half. In the second half, where Pats were now down 17-0 and forced to throw, he was much better. 2TD’s, no INT’s. Mac finished the game with 299 yards passing and 74.2 rating. Not terrible considering he was only allowed to throw the ball 10 times in the first half. Wentz finished the game with 57 yards passing, 1TD, 1INT and a passer rating of 49.7. Bills ran the ball right down the Pats throat and had. Ore running yards than NE did vs the Bills last game.

The coaching staff sticking to their guns and using the same game plan in a Dome  that they did vs the Bills which was outdoors in terrible conditions is just arrogant. It didn’t work in the first or second quarter and they don’t switch gears until down 3 scorers. That isn’t going to cut it if the Pats do indeed make it to the playoffs.

Stop with the rustiness talk. That's an excuse. Have you ever played football or watched a practice. QBs get tons of throws in every week, a lot against their real time defenses. This far into the season there is no such thing as rustiness, the idea is absurd in football.

Are you really comparing throwing the ball in practice vs a live game, where the opposition is trying to take you out?

I may not have played football in college, but I did play other sports and Insinuating that you don’t lose your edge when your not able to play against a real opponent is just untrue.

Though QBs have a red shirt on in practice, they play against their own defense, who knows their plays, in game speed conditions 3 times a week. It is absolutely as close to game conditions as you can get.

Basketball and hockey practice where 1st team/lines scrimmage against 2nd teams/lines are completely different than football where first team offense scrimmages against first team defense.

1st string QBs don't get rusty. Trust me on that. They get too many reps in every week for weeks to get rusty simply because they didn't throw a lot for a game.

I mean, look at all the QBs that go out with injury for a week or three and come back and are great. It happens all the time. Why did they not get rusty.

I'm telling you Goldstar, this is an unreal serious reach to blame the coaches. Rustiness doesn't happen to QBs playing every week this far into a season.

Nick, I agree with you that we can't totally blame the coaches for last nights loss. I was probably a little harsh on it cause I was upset with the result last night. The blocked punt was an example of poor execution and mac jones threw a lousy interception. That all being said, would you say the coaches deserve some blame for how conservative their game plan was and how long it took them to get out of the plan? I am not asking Mac Jones to throw bombs, but he is very accurate on short passes and they have moved the ball all year when they let him do it. The running game was getting completely stuffed and I think they were also missing Harris. Would have liked to see more passing in the second quarter.

I actually did put blame on the coaches too.

Terrible game plan to start the game, not having the team ready to perform to start the game and taking to long to adjust, well, that's on the coaches.

[nickagneta]

This loss is on the Pats coaching staff. Horrible game plan going into it. Colts said they were going to stuff the line and force Mac to throw. So what do the Pats do? Throw 10 times in the first half and put up zero  :-[points going into halftime. Mac wasn’t involved in the offense for a game and a half and was rusty. Shocking. Pats played slow for most of the 4th and kicked that FG instead of going for a TD. More conservative play. Good luck beating good teams playing like that.

I agree

Meh. Total team collapse.

I'm not going to absolve the atrocious play of the defensive line for a half, the offensive line for 3 quarters, all those guys taking terrible penalties, Jones for two bad INTs that cost the Pats points and the players that couldn't stop Taylor on tht TD run late in the fourth. That was all on them.

Terrible game plan to start the game, not having the team ready to perform to start the game and taking to long to adjust, well, that's on the coaches.

But let's not pretend that the players didn't suck for a major portion of this game. Because they did.

Those two Int’s were in the first half, where Mac was clearly rusty since he had barely thrown the ball in a game and a half. In the second half, where Pats were now down 17-0 and forced to throw, he was much better. 2TD’s, no INT’s. Mac finished the game with 299 yards passing and 74.2 rating. Not terrible considering he was only allowed to throw the ball 10 times in the first half. Wentz finished the game with 57 yards passing, 1TD, 1INT and a passer rating of 49.7. Bills ran the ball right down the Pats throat and had. Ore running yards than NE did vs the Bills last game.

The coaching staff sticking to their guns and using the same game plan in a Dome  that they did vs the Bills which was outdoors in terrible conditions is just arrogant. It didn’t work in the first or second quarter and they don’t switch gears until down 3 scorers. That isn’t going to cut it if the Pats do indeed make it to the playoffs.

Stop with the rustiness talk. That's an excuse. Have you ever played football or watched a practice. QBs get tons of throws in every week, a lot against their real time defenses. This far into the season there is no such thing as rustiness, the idea is absurd in football.

Are you really comparing throwing the ball in practice vs a live game, where the opposition is trying to take you out?

I may not have played football in college, but I did play other sports and Insinuating that you don’t lose your edge when your not able to play against a real opponent is just untrue.

Though QBs have a red shirt on in practice, they play against their own defense, who knows their plays, in game speed conditions 3 times a week. It is absolutely as close to game conditions as you can get.

Basketball and hockey practice where 1st team/lines scrimmage against 2nd teams/lines are completely different than football where first team offense scrimmages against first team defense.

1st string QBs don't get rusty. Trust me on that. They get too many reps in every week for weeks to get rusty simply because they didn't throw a lot for a game.

I mean, look at all the QBs that go out with injury for a week or three and come back and are great. It happens all the time. Why did they not get rusty.

I'm telling you Goldstar, this is an unreal serious reach to blame the coaches. Rustiness doesn't happen to QBs playing every week this far into a season.

Agree to disagree, I suppose. I don’t believe that it was a coincidence that Mac played much better and was in rhythm during the second half once the coaches were forced to let him throw.

Then how do you explain the plethora of proof against your claim from QBs getting injured, coming back in season and playing great from the first snap? There are decades of examples of this. But somehow, this time it's different?

Stick to your opinion all you want because you want to blame coaching, but you're massively off base here.

[celticsclay]

This loss is on the Pats coaching staff. Horrible game plan going into it. Colts said they were going to stuff the line and force Mac to throw. So what do the Pats do? Throw 10 times in the first half and put up zero  :-[points going into halftime. Mac wasn’t involved in the offense for a game and a half and was rusty. Shocking. Pats played slow for most of the 4th and kicked that FG instead of going for a TD. More conservative play. Good luck beating good teams playing like that.

I agree

Meh. Total team collapse.

I'm not going to absolve the atrocious play of the defensive line for a half, the offensive line for 3 quarters, all those guys taking terrible penalties, Jones for two bad INTs that cost the Pats points and the players that couldn't stop Taylor on tht TD run late in the fourth. That was all on them.

Terrible game plan to start the game, not having the team ready to perform to start the game and taking to long to adjust, well, that's on the coaches.

But let's not pretend that the players didn't suck for a major portion of this game. Because they did.

Those two Int’s were in the first half, where Mac was clearly rusty since he had barely thrown the ball in a game and a half. In the second half, where Pats were now down 17-0 and forced to throw, he was much better. 2TD’s, no INT’s. Mac finished the game with 299 yards passing and 74.2 rating. Not terrible considering he was only allowed to throw the ball 10 times in the first half. Wentz finished the game with 57 yards passing, 1TD, 1INT and a passer rating of 49.7. Bills ran the ball right down the Pats throat and had. Ore running yards than NE did vs the Bills last game.

The coaching staff sticking to their guns and using the same game plan in a Dome  that they did vs the Bills which was outdoors in terrible conditions is just arrogant. It didn’t work in the first or second quarter and they don’t switch gears until down 3 scorers. That isn’t going to cut it if the Pats do indeed make it to the playoffs.

Stop with the rustiness talk. That's an excuse. Have you ever played football or watched a practice. QBs get tons of throws in every week, a lot against their real time defenses. This far into the season there is no such thing as rustiness, the idea is absurd in football.

Are you really comparing throwing the ball in practice vs a live game, where the opposition is trying to take you out?

I may not have played football in college, but I did play other sports and Insinuating that you don’t lose your edge when your not able to play against a real opponent is just untrue.

Though QBs have a red shirt on in practice, they play against their own defense, who knows their plays, in game speed conditions 3 times a week. It is absolutely as close to game conditions as you can get.

Basketball and hockey practice where 1st team/lines scrimmage against 2nd teams/lines are completely different than football where first team offense scrimmages against first team defense.

1st string QBs don't get rusty. Trust me on that. They get too many reps in every week for weeks to get rusty simply because they didn't throw a lot for a game.

I mean, look at all the QBs that go out with injury for a week or three and come back and are great. It happens all the time. Why did they not get rusty.

I'm telling you Goldstar, this is an unreal serious reach to blame the coaches. Rustiness doesn't happen to QBs playing every week this far into a season.

Nick, I agree with you that we can't totally blame the coaches for last nights loss. I was probably a little harsh on it cause I was upset with the result last night. The blocked punt was an example of poor execution and mac jones threw a lousy interception. That all being said, would you say the coaches deserve some blame for how conservative their game plan was and how long it took them to get out of the plan? I am not asking Mac Jones to throw bombs, but he is very accurate on short passes and they have moved the ball all year when they let him do it. The running game was getting completely stuffed and I think they were also missing Harris. Would have liked to see more passing in the second quarter.

I actually did put blame on the coaches too.

Terrible game plan to start the game, not having the team ready to perform to start the game and taking to long to adjust, well, that's on the coaches.

Yea I just was not sure what you were referring to when you said terrible game plan. If it was that we were too run heavy i agree.

[Moranis]

No one should be surprised that the Patriots played conservative. They've literally played every single game all year that way.