NFL 2021 Season

[tazzmaniac]

I don't like the shotgun on 3rd and 3.  No issue with going for the kick, but why not run the ball on 3rd and 3 to take time off the clock (or make TB use a timeout).  Maybe you get it or maybe you get a yard or two making either the kick easier or an easier 4th down play to go for it.  Shotgun on 3rd and 3 was the bigger issue with the play calling that I had at the end.

I didn’t have an issue with it.  They were playing for the first down, and Meyers was wide open; if not for the tip, it’s an easy first down.  How many running plays last night got them 3 yards?  The O-line was hurting and Mac needed all the time he could get

Even if you only get a yard, you force Tampa to use a time out, and then you either make the kick easier or the 4th down attempt easier.  With a minute left in the game, you run the ball there, if you are intending to kick the FG.  If you are going to go for it on 4th down no matter what, then I don't have an issue with a shotgun attempt on 3rd down.  I just don't like the collective decision making on those two plays.  It didn't make sense.

Had the Patriots had a positive run all night? A yard might have been asking for too much

Ok, so they just get 0, but at least Tampa has to use a time out, so if Folk does actually make the kick, the Bucs have 1 less time out.  They could also make sure the ball was exactly where Folk wanted it to be.  What if Folk preferred the other hash mark (as an example)?  I just think if they were going to kick the ball, they should have run it.  If they were going to go for it on 4th down, I have no issue with the pass, it was just the collective decision on the two plays I thought was mishandled.

Or they lose a yard or two if they run the ball making the field goal even longer in the rain.  Running the ball and giving up any chance of making the 1st down would have been a really poor decision.

Except they didn't go for it on 4th down, they attempted the FG.  That is my point.

Passing on 3rd down was the correct choice regardless of what they were going to do on 4th down. 

[Moranis]

I don't like the shotgun on 3rd and 3.  No issue with going for the kick, but why not run the ball on 3rd and 3 to take time off the clock (or make TB use a timeout).  Maybe you get it or maybe you get a yard or two making either the kick easier or an easier 4th down play to go for it.  Shotgun on 3rd and 3 was the bigger issue with the play calling that I had at the end.

I didn’t have an issue with it.  They were playing for the first down, and Meyers was wide open; if not for the tip, it’s an easy first down.  How many running plays last night got them 3 yards?  The O-line was hurting and Mac needed all the time he could get

Even if you only get a yard, you force Tampa to use a time out, and then you either make the kick easier or the 4th down attempt easier.  With a minute left in the game, you run the ball there, if you are intending to kick the FG.  If you are going to go for it on 4th down no matter what, then I don't have an issue with a shotgun attempt on 3rd down.  I just don't like the collective decision making on those two plays.  It didn't make sense.

Had the Patriots had a positive run all night? A yard might have been asking for too much

Ok, so they just get 0, but at least Tampa has to use a time out, so if Folk does actually make the kick, the Bucs have 1 less time out.  They could also make sure the ball was exactly where Folk wanted it to be.  What if Folk preferred the other hash mark (as an example)?  I just think if they were going to kick the ball, they should have run it.  If they were going to go for it on 4th down, I have no issue with the pass, it was just the collective decision on the two plays I thought was mishandled.

Or they lose a yard or two if they run the ball making the field goal even longer in the rain.  Running the ball and giving up any chance of making the 1st down would have been a really poor decision.

Except they didn't go for it on 4th down, they attempted the FG.  That is my point.

Passing on 3rd down was the correct choice regardless of what they were going to do on 4th down.

I just disagree with that completely.  You run, you force Tampa to take a time out.  That easily could have been the difference in winning or losing.  And if you can't trust your OL and run game to not go negative, then your team stinks and you might as well write the season off. 

[footey]

I don't like the shotgun on 3rd and 3.  No issue with going for the kick, but why not run the ball on 3rd and 3 to take time off the clock (or make TB use a timeout).  Maybe you get it or maybe you get a yard or two making either the kick easier or an easier 4th down play to go for it.  Shotgun on 3rd and 3 was the bigger issue with the play calling that I had at the end.

I didn’t have an issue with it.  They were playing for the first down, and Meyers was wide open; if not for the tip, it’s an easy first down.  How many running plays last night got them 3 yards?  The O-line was hurting and Mac needed all the time he could get

Even if you only get a yard, you force Tampa to use a time out, and then you either make the kick easier or the 4th down attempt easier.  With a minute left in the game, you run the ball there, if you are intending to kick the FG.  If you are going to go for it on 4th down no matter what, then I don't have an issue with a shotgun attempt on 3rd down.  I just don't like the collective decision making on those two plays.  It didn't make sense.

Had the Patriots had a positive run all night? A yard might have been asking for too much

Ok, so they just get 0, but at least Tampa has to use a time out, so if Folk does actually make the kick, the Bucs have 1 less time out.  They could also make sure the ball was exactly where Folk wanted it to be.  What if Folk preferred the other hash mark (as an example)?  I just think if they were going to kick the ball, they should have run it.  If they were going to go for it on 4th down, I have no issue with the pass, it was just the collective decision on the two plays I thought was mishandled.

Or they lose a yard or two if they run the ball making the field goal even longer in the rain.  Running the ball and giving up any chance of making the 1st down would have been a really poor decision.

Except they didn't go for it on 4th down, they attempted the FG.  That is my point.

Passing on 3rd down was the correct choice regardless of what they were going to do on 4th down.

I just disagree with that completely.  You run, you force Tampa to take a time out.  That easily could have been the difference in winning or losing.  And if you can't trust your OL and run game to not go negative, then your team stinks and you might as well write the season off.

We clearly couldn't run against that defensive line, which is why we shouldn't have run in that situation. 

[Moranis]

I don't like the shotgun on 3rd and 3.  No issue with going for the kick, but why not run the ball on 3rd and 3 to take time off the clock (or make TB use a timeout).  Maybe you get it or maybe you get a yard or two making either the kick easier or an easier 4th down play to go for it.  Shotgun on 3rd and 3 was the bigger issue with the play calling that I had at the end.

I didn’t have an issue with it.  They were playing for the first down, and Meyers was wide open; if not for the tip, it’s an easy first down.  How many running plays last night got them 3 yards?  The O-line was hurting and Mac needed all the time he could get

Even if you only get a yard, you force Tampa to use a time out, and then you either make the kick easier or the 4th down attempt easier.  With a minute left in the game, you run the ball there, if you are intending to kick the FG.  If you are going to go for it on 4th down no matter what, then I don't have an issue with a shotgun attempt on 3rd down.  I just don't like the collective decision making on those two plays.  It didn't make sense.

Had the Patriots had a positive run all night? A yard might have been asking for too much

Ok, so they just get 0, but at least Tampa has to use a time out, so if Folk does actually make the kick, the Bucs have 1 less time out.  They could also make sure the ball was exactly where Folk wanted it to be.  What if Folk preferred the other hash mark (as an example)?  I just think if they were going to kick the ball, they should have run it.  If they were going to go for it on 4th down, I have no issue with the pass, it was just the collective decision on the two plays I thought was mishandled.

Or they lose a yard or two if they run the ball making the field goal even longer in the rain.  Running the ball and giving up any chance of making the 1st down would have been a really poor decision.

Except they didn't go for it on 4th down, they attempted the FG.  That is my point.

Passing on 3rd down was the correct choice regardless of what they were going to do on 4th down.

I just disagree with that completely.  You run, you force Tampa to take a time out.  That easily could have been the difference in winning or losing.  And if you can't trust your OL and run game to not go negative, then your team stinks and you might as well write the season off.

We clearly couldn't run against that defensive line, which is why we shouldn't have run in that situation.

4 hand offs to the RB the whole game is no way to tell if they could or couldn't run.  You actually have to try to run the ball to make that determination.  That is of course a different issue then the end of the game.  If you were going to kick a FG on 4th down in that spot, then you needed to run the ball on 3rd down and make Tampa use a time out, if not getting the ball closer or in the exact spot the kicker wants the ball or I don't maybe getting the 1st down.

And frankly kicking the FG is a huge indictment on what they think of Mac Jones at this point in time.  I mean they chose to kick a 56 yard FG instead of going for it on 4th down.  Think about this:  Folk hasn't made a FG of 55 yards or more since 2015 or 2016.  He was just 3 of 9 from that distance in his career.  He was banged up.  It was raining and windy.  And even if he makes the kick you give Tom Brady the ball with about a minute left and only needing a FG.  Yet that was a better option than trying for 3 yards with Mac Jones. 

[nickagneta]

I don't like the shotgun on 3rd and 3.  No issue with going for the kick, but why not run the ball on 3rd and 3 to take time off the clock (or make TB use a timeout).  Maybe you get it or maybe you get a yard or two making either the kick easier or an easier 4th down play to go for it.  Shotgun on 3rd and 3 was the bigger issue with the play calling that I had at the end.

I didn’t have an issue with it.  They were playing for the first down, and Meyers was wide open; if not for the tip, it’s an easy first down.  How many running plays last night got them 3 yards?  The O-line was hurting and Mac needed all the time he could get

Even if you only get a yard, you force Tampa to use a time out, and then you either make the kick easier or the 4th down attempt easier.  With a minute left in the game, you run the ball there, if you are intending to kick the FG.  If you are going to go for it on 4th down no matter what, then I don't have an issue with a shotgun attempt on 3rd down.  I just don't like the collective decision making on those two plays.  It didn't make sense.

Had the Patriots had a positive run all night? A yard might have been asking for too much

Ok, so they just get 0, but at least Tampa has to use a time out, so if Folk does actually make the kick, the Bucs have 1 less time out.  They could also make sure the ball was exactly where Folk wanted it to be.  What if Folk preferred the other hash mark (as an example)?  I just think if they were going to kick the ball, they should have run it.  If they were going to go for it on 4th down, I have no issue with the pass, it was just the collective decision on the two plays I thought was mishandled.

Or they lose a yard or two if they run the ball making the field goal even longer in the rain.  Running the ball and giving up any chance of making the 1st down would have been a really poor decision.

Except they didn't go for it on 4th down, they attempted the FG.  That is my point.

Passing on 3rd down was the correct choice regardless of what they were going to do on 4th down.

I just disagree with that completely.  You run, you force Tampa to take a time out.  That easily could have been the difference in winning or losing.  And if you can't trust your OL and run game to not go negative, then your team stinks and you might as well write the season off.

We clearly couldn't run against that defensive line, which is why we shouldn't have run in that situation.

4 hand offs to the RB the whole game is no way to tell if they could or couldn't run.  You actually have to try to run the ball to make that determination.  That is of course a different issue then the end of the game.  If you were going to kick a FG on 4th down in that spot, then you needed to run the ball on 3rd down and make Tampa use a time out, if not getting the ball closer or in the exact spot the kicker wants the ball or I don't maybe getting the 1st down.

And frankly kicking the FG is a huge indictment on what they think of Mac Jones at this point in time.  I mean they chose to kick a 56 yard FG instead of going for it on 4th down.  Think about this:  Folk hasn't made a FG of 55 yards or more since 2015 or 2016.  He was just 3 of 9 from that distance in his career.  He was banged up.  It was raining and windy.  And even if he makes the kick you give Tom Brady the ball with about a minute left and only needing a FG.  Yet that was a better option than trying for 3 yards with Mac Jones.

You really should stick to basketball. Your football takes show a complete lack of understanding of the game, how it's coached and how it's run in the front office. The more you double down on some of this stuff, the more comical it gets.

[Moranis]

I don't like the shotgun on 3rd and 3.  No issue with going for the kick, but why not run the ball on 3rd and 3 to take time off the clock (or make TB use a timeout).  Maybe you get it or maybe you get a yard or two making either the kick easier or an easier 4th down play to go for it.  Shotgun on 3rd and 3 was the bigger issue with the play calling that I had at the end.

I didn’t have an issue with it.  They were playing for the first down, and Meyers was wide open; if not for the tip, it’s an easy first down.  How many running plays last night got them 3 yards?  The O-line was hurting and Mac needed all the time he could get

Even if you only get a yard, you force Tampa to use a time out, and then you either make the kick easier or the 4th down attempt easier.  With a minute left in the game, you run the ball there, if you are intending to kick the FG.  If you are going to go for it on 4th down no matter what, then I don't have an issue with a shotgun attempt on 3rd down.  I just don't like the collective decision making on those two plays.  It didn't make sense.

Had the Patriots had a positive run all night? A yard might have been asking for too much

Ok, so they just get 0, but at least Tampa has to use a time out, so if Folk does actually make the kick, the Bucs have 1 less time out.  They could also make sure the ball was exactly where Folk wanted it to be.  What if Folk preferred the other hash mark (as an example)?  I just think if they were going to kick the ball, they should have run it.  If they were going to go for it on 4th down, I have no issue with the pass, it was just the collective decision on the two plays I thought was mishandled.

Or they lose a yard or two if they run the ball making the field goal even longer in the rain.  Running the ball and giving up any chance of making the 1st down would have been a really poor decision.

Except they didn't go for it on 4th down, they attempted the FG.  That is my point.

Passing on 3rd down was the correct choice regardless of what they were going to do on 4th down.

I just disagree with that completely.  You run, you force Tampa to take a time out.  That easily could have been the difference in winning or losing.  And if you can't trust your OL and run game to not go negative, then your team stinks and you might as well write the season off.

We clearly couldn't run against that defensive line, which is why we shouldn't have run in that situation.

4 hand offs to the RB the whole game is no way to tell if they could or couldn't run.  You actually have to try to run the ball to make that determination.  That is of course a different issue then the end of the game.  If you were going to kick a FG on 4th down in that spot, then you needed to run the ball on 3rd down and make Tampa use a time out, if not getting the ball closer or in the exact spot the kicker wants the ball or I don't maybe getting the 1st down.

And frankly kicking the FG is a huge indictment on what they think of Mac Jones at this point in time.  I mean they chose to kick a 56 yard FG instead of going for it on 4th down.  Think about this:  Folk hasn't made a FG of 55 yards or more since 2015 or 2016.  He was just 3 of 9 from that distance in his career.  He was banged up.  It was raining and windy.  And even if he makes the kick you give Tom Brady the ball with about a minute left and only needing a FG.  Yet that was a better option than trying for 3 yards with Mac Jones.

You really should stick to basketball. Your football takes show a complete lack of understanding of the game, how it's coached and how it's run in the front office. The more you double down on some of this stuff, the more comical it gets.

What exactly do you disagree with in that statement?

[celticsclay]

I don't like the shotgun on 3rd and 3.  No issue with going for the kick, but why not run the ball on 3rd and 3 to take time off the clock (or make TB use a timeout).  Maybe you get it or maybe you get a yard or two making either the kick easier or an easier 4th down play to go for it.  Shotgun on 3rd and 3 was the bigger issue with the play calling that I had at the end.

I didn’t have an issue with it.  They were playing for the first down, and Meyers was wide open; if not for the tip, it’s an easy first down.  How many running plays last night got them 3 yards?  The O-line was hurting and Mac needed all the time he could get

Even if you only get a yard, you force Tampa to use a time out, and then you either make the kick easier or the 4th down attempt easier.  With a minute left in the game, you run the ball there, if you are intending to kick the FG.  If you are going to go for it on 4th down no matter what, then I don't have an issue with a shotgun attempt on 3rd down.  I just don't like the collective decision making on those two plays.  It didn't make sense.

Had the Patriots had a positive run all night? A yard might have been asking for too much

Ok, so they just get 0, but at least Tampa has to use a time out, so if Folk does actually make the kick, the Bucs have 1 less time out.  They could also make sure the ball was exactly where Folk wanted it to be.  What if Folk preferred the other hash mark (as an example)?  I just think if they were going to kick the ball, they should have run it.  If they were going to go for it on 4th down, I have no issue with the pass, it was just the collective decision on the two plays I thought was mishandled.

Or they lose a yard or two if they run the ball making the field goal even longer in the rain.  Running the ball and giving up any chance of making the 1st down would have been a really poor decision.

Except they didn't go for it on 4th down, they attempted the FG.  That is my point.

Passing on 3rd down was the correct choice regardless of what they were going to do on 4th down.

I just disagree with that completely.  You run, you force Tampa to take a time out.  That easily could have been the difference in winning or losing.  And if you can't trust your OL and run game to not go negative, then your team stinks and you might as well write the season off.

We clearly couldn't run against that defensive line, which is why we shouldn't have run in that situation.

4 hand offs to the RB the whole game is no way to tell if they could or couldn't run.  You actually have to try to run the ball to make that determination.  That is of course a different issue then the end of the game.  If you were going to kick a FG on 4th down in that spot, then you needed to run the ball on 3rd down and make Tampa use a time out, if not getting the ball closer or in the exact spot the kicker wants the ball or I don't maybe getting the 1st down.

And frankly kicking the FG is a huge indictment on what they think of Mac Jones at this point in time.  I mean they chose to kick a 56 yard FG instead of going for it on 4th down.  Think about this:  Folk hasn't made a FG of 55 yards or more since 2015 or 2016.  He was just 3 of 9 from that distance in his career.  He was banged up.  It was raining and windy.  And even if he makes the kick you give Tom Brady the ball with about a minute left and only needing a FG.  Yet that was a better option than trying for 3 yards with Mac Jones.

You realize mac Jones outplayed Brady in this game?

[Moranis]

I don't like the shotgun on 3rd and 3.  No issue with going for the kick, but why not run the ball on 3rd and 3 to take time off the clock (or make TB use a timeout).  Maybe you get it or maybe you get a yard or two making either the kick easier or an easier 4th down play to go for it.  Shotgun on 3rd and 3 was the bigger issue with the play calling that I had at the end.

I didn’t have an issue with it.  They were playing for the first down, and Meyers was wide open; if not for the tip, it’s an easy first down.  How many running plays last night got them 3 yards?  The O-line was hurting and Mac needed all the time he could get

Even if you only get a yard, you force Tampa to use a time out, and then you either make the kick easier or the 4th down attempt easier.  With a minute left in the game, you run the ball there, if you are intending to kick the FG.  If you are going to go for it on 4th down no matter what, then I don't have an issue with a shotgun attempt on 3rd down.  I just don't like the collective decision making on those two plays.  It didn't make sense.

Had the Patriots had a positive run all night? A yard might have been asking for too much

Ok, so they just get 0, but at least Tampa has to use a time out, so if Folk does actually make the kick, the Bucs have 1 less time out.  They could also make sure the ball was exactly where Folk wanted it to be.  What if Folk preferred the other hash mark (as an example)?  I just think if they were going to kick the ball, they should have run it.  If they were going to go for it on 4th down, I have no issue with the pass, it was just the collective decision on the two plays I thought was mishandled.

Or they lose a yard or two if they run the ball making the field goal even longer in the rain.  Running the ball and giving up any chance of making the 1st down would have been a really poor decision.

Except they didn't go for it on 4th down, they attempted the FG.  That is my point.

Passing on 3rd down was the correct choice regardless of what they were going to do on 4th down.

I just disagree with that completely.  You run, you force Tampa to take a time out.  That easily could have been the difference in winning or losing.  And if you can't trust your OL and run game to not go negative, then your team stinks and you might as well write the season off.

We clearly couldn't run against that defensive line, which is why we shouldn't have run in that situation.

4 hand offs to the RB the whole game is no way to tell if they could or couldn't run.  You actually have to try to run the ball to make that determination.  That is of course a different issue then the end of the game.  If you were going to kick a FG on 4th down in that spot, then you needed to run the ball on 3rd down and make Tampa use a time out, if not getting the ball closer or in the exact spot the kicker wants the ball or I don't maybe getting the 1st down.

And frankly kicking the FG is a huge indictment on what they think of Mac Jones at this point in time.  I mean they chose to kick a 56 yard FG instead of going for it on 4th down.  Think about this:  Folk hasn't made a FG of 55 yards or more since 2015 or 2016.  He was just 3 of 9 from that distance in his career.  He was banged up.  It was raining and windy.  And even if he makes the kick you give Tom Brady the ball with about a minute left and only needing a FG.  Yet that was a better option than trying for 3 yards with Mac Jones.

You realize mac Jones outplayed Brady in this game?

If the Patriots had Tom Brady do they go for it on 4th and 3?

[celticsclay]

I don't like the shotgun on 3rd and 3.  No issue with going for the kick, but why not run the ball on 3rd and 3 to take time off the clock (or make TB use a timeout).  Maybe you get it or maybe you get a yard or two making either the kick easier or an easier 4th down play to go for it.  Shotgun on 3rd and 3 was the bigger issue with the play calling that I had at the end.

I didn’t have an issue with it.  They were playing for the first down, and Meyers was wide open; if not for the tip, it’s an easy first down.  How many running plays last night got them 3 yards?  The O-line was hurting and Mac needed all the time he could get

Even if you only get a yard, you force Tampa to use a time out, and then you either make the kick easier or the 4th down attempt easier.  With a minute left in the game, you run the ball there, if you are intending to kick the FG.  If you are going to go for it on 4th down no matter what, then I don't have an issue with a shotgun attempt on 3rd down.  I just don't like the collective decision making on those two plays.  It didn't make sense.

Had the Patriots had a positive run all night? A yard might have been asking for too much

Ok, so they just get 0, but at least Tampa has to use a time out, so if Folk does actually make the kick, the Bucs have 1 less time out.  They could also make sure the ball was exactly where Folk wanted it to be.  What if Folk preferred the other hash mark (as an example)?  I just think if they were going to kick the ball, they should have run it.  If they were going to go for it on 4th down, I have no issue with the pass, it was just the collective decision on the two plays I thought was mishandled.

Or they lose a yard or two if they run the ball making the field goal even longer in the rain.  Running the ball and giving up any chance of making the 1st down would have been a really poor decision.

Except they didn't go for it on 4th down, they attempted the FG.  That is my point.

Passing on 3rd down was the correct choice regardless of what they were going to do on 4th down.

I just disagree with that completely.  You run, you force Tampa to take a time out.  That easily could have been the difference in winning or losing.  And if you can't trust your OL and run game to not go negative, then your team stinks and you might as well write the season off.

We clearly couldn't run against that defensive line, which is why we shouldn't have run in that situation.

4 hand offs to the RB the whole game is no way to tell if they could or couldn't run.  You actually have to try to run the ball to make that determination.  That is of course a different issue then the end of the game.  If you were going to kick a FG on 4th down in that spot, then you needed to run the ball on 3rd down and make Tampa use a time out, if not getting the ball closer or in the exact spot the kicker wants the ball or I don't maybe getting the 1st down.

And frankly kicking the FG is a huge indictment on what they think of Mac Jones at this point in time.  I mean they chose to kick a 56 yard FG instead of going for it on 4th down.  Think about this:  Folk hasn't made a FG of 55 yards or more since 2015 or 2016.  He was just 3 of 9 from that distance in his career.  He was banged up.  It was raining and windy.  And even if he makes the kick you give Tom Brady the ball with about a minute left and only needing a FG.  Yet that was a better option than trying for 3 yards with Mac Jones.

You realize mac Jones outplayed Brady in this game?

If the Patriots had Tom Brady do they go for it on 4th and 3?

Brady on Sunday completing 50% of his passes? Probably the same thing. Serious question multiple posters have asked you haven’t answered, are you actually watching these games? Cool if you are, just generally curious. You have made some bizarre statements.

[nickagneta]

I don't like the shotgun on 3rd and 3.  No issue with going for the kick, but why not run the ball on 3rd and 3 to take time off the clock (or make TB use a timeout).  Maybe you get it or maybe you get a yard or two making either the kick easier or an easier 4th down play to go for it.  Shotgun on 3rd and 3 was the bigger issue with the play calling that I had at the end.

I didn’t have an issue with it.  They were playing for the first down, and Meyers was wide open; if not for the tip, it’s an easy first down.  How many running plays last night got them 3 yards?  The O-line was hurting and Mac needed all the time he could get

Even if you only get a yard, you force Tampa to use a time out, and then you either make the kick easier or the 4th down attempt easier.  With a minute left in the game, you run the ball there, if you are intending to kick the FG.  If you are going to go for it on 4th down no matter what, then I don't have an issue with a shotgun attempt on 3rd down.  I just don't like the collective decision making on those two plays.  It didn't make sense.

Had the Patriots had a positive run all night? A yard might have been asking for too much

Ok, so they just get 0, but at least Tampa has to use a time out, so if Folk does actually make the kick, the Bucs have 1 less time out.  They could also make sure the ball was exactly where Folk wanted it to be.  What if Folk preferred the other hash mark (as an example)?  I just think if they were going to kick the ball, they should have run it.  If they were going to go for it on 4th down, I have no issue with the pass, it was just the collective decision on the two plays I thought was mishandled.

Or they lose a yard or two if they run the ball making the field goal even longer in the rain.  Running the ball and giving up any chance of making the 1st down would have been a really poor decision.

Except they didn't go for it on 4th down, they attempted the FG.  That is my point.

Passing on 3rd down was the correct choice regardless of what they were going to do on 4th down.

I just disagree with that completely.  You run, you force Tampa to take a time out.  That easily could have been the difference in winning or losing.  And if you can't trust your OL and run game to not go negative, then your team stinks and you might as well write the season off.

We clearly couldn't run against that defensive line, which is why we shouldn't have run in that situation.

4 hand offs to the RB the whole game is no way to tell if they could or couldn't run.  You actually have to try to run the ball to make that determination.  That is of course a different issue then the end of the game.  If you were going to kick a FG on 4th down in that spot, then you needed to run the ball on 3rd down and make Tampa use a time out, if not getting the ball closer or in the exact spot the kicker wants the ball or I don't maybe getting the 1st down.

And frankly kicking the FG is a huge indictment on what they think of Mac Jones at this point in time.  I mean they chose to kick a 56 yard FG instead of going for it on 4th down.  Think about this:  Folk hasn't made a FG of 55 yards or more since 2015 or 2016.  He was just 3 of 9 from that distance in his career.  He was banged up.  It was raining and windy.  And even if he makes the kick you give Tom Brady the ball with about a minute left and only needing a FG.  Yet that was a better option than trying for 3 yards with Mac Jones.

You realize mac Jones outplayed Brady in this game?

If the Patriots had Tom Brady do they go for it on 4th and 3?

That you have to ask this question shows your lack of football knowledge. It didn't matter who was playing QB. The decision was made because given the way the offensive line was playing for the Pats and the way the defensive line was playing for the Bucs, the correct coaching decision while in FG range with little time on the clock is to kick the FG. Folk missed by 6 inches. It happens.

But it doesn't change the fact that it was the correct decision no matter who was playing QB. If it's a 4th and 1 and your line is playing well, you go QB sneak. But 4th and 3, you kick that FG every time.

[Moranis]

I don't like the shotgun on 3rd and 3.  No issue with going for the kick, but why not run the ball on 3rd and 3 to take time off the clock (or make TB use a timeout).  Maybe you get it or maybe you get a yard or two making either the kick easier or an easier 4th down play to go for it.  Shotgun on 3rd and 3 was the bigger issue with the play calling that I had at the end.

I didn’t have an issue with it.  They were playing for the first down, and Meyers was wide open; if not for the tip, it’s an easy first down.  How many running plays last night got them 3 yards?  The O-line was hurting and Mac needed all the time he could get

Even if you only get a yard, you force Tampa to use a time out, and then you either make the kick easier or the 4th down attempt easier.  With a minute left in the game, you run the ball there, if you are intending to kick the FG.  If you are going to go for it on 4th down no matter what, then I don't have an issue with a shotgun attempt on 3rd down.  I just don't like the collective decision making on those two plays.  It didn't make sense.

Had the Patriots had a positive run all night? A yard might have been asking for too much

Ok, so they just get 0, but at least Tampa has to use a time out, so if Folk does actually make the kick, the Bucs have 1 less time out.  They could also make sure the ball was exactly where Folk wanted it to be.  What if Folk preferred the other hash mark (as an example)?  I just think if they were going to kick the ball, they should have run it.  If they were going to go for it on 4th down, I have no issue with the pass, it was just the collective decision on the two plays I thought was mishandled.

Or they lose a yard or two if they run the ball making the field goal even longer in the rain.  Running the ball and giving up any chance of making the 1st down would have been a really poor decision.

Except they didn't go for it on 4th down, they attempted the FG.  That is my point.

Passing on 3rd down was the correct choice regardless of what they were going to do on 4th down.

I just disagree with that completely.  You run, you force Tampa to take a time out.  That easily could have been the difference in winning or losing.  And if you can't trust your OL and run game to not go negative, then your team stinks and you might as well write the season off.

We clearly couldn't run against that defensive line, which is why we shouldn't have run in that situation.

4 hand offs to the RB the whole game is no way to tell if they could or couldn't run.  You actually have to try to run the ball to make that determination.  That is of course a different issue then the end of the game.  If you were going to kick a FG on 4th down in that spot, then you needed to run the ball on 3rd down and make Tampa use a time out, if not getting the ball closer or in the exact spot the kicker wants the ball or I don't maybe getting the 1st down.

And frankly kicking the FG is a huge indictment on what they think of Mac Jones at this point in time.  I mean they chose to kick a 56 yard FG instead of going for it on 4th down.  Think about this:  Folk hasn't made a FG of 55 yards or more since 2015 or 2016.  He was just 3 of 9 from that distance in his career.  He was banged up.  It was raining and windy.  And even if he makes the kick you give Tom Brady the ball with about a minute left and only needing a FG.  Yet that was a better option than trying for 3 yards with Mac Jones.

You realize mac Jones outplayed Brady in this game?

If the Patriots had Tom Brady do they go for it on 4th and 3?

That you have to ask this question shows your lack of football knowledge. It didn't matter who was playing QB. The decision was made because given the way the offensive line was playing for the Pats and the way the defensive line was playing for the Bucs, the correct coaching decision while in FG range with little time on the clock is to kick the FG. Folk missed by 6 inches. It happens.

But it doesn't change the fact that it was the correct decision no matter who was playing QB. If it's a 4th and 1 and your line is playing well, you go QB sneak. But 4th and 3, you kick that FG every time.

except there are analytics that said going for it on 4th down had a higher chance to win the game then attempting the FG.  The kick alone was less than 50% to be made and then the Bucs would have still had a minute needing only like 40 yards with 2 time outs.  The Pats had over a 50% chance to make the 4th down.  That made it the better call to win the game, yet they didn't do it.  With a more seasoned QB, I absolutely believe they go for it and you know they would have as well.  That said, if they were going to kick they should have run the ball on the 3rd down.  They could have at a minimum ensured the kick location and forced Tampa to take a time out increasing their chance to win if the kick is made by reducing Tampa's odds. 

[footey]

Pats just released Gilmore.

[Kernewek]

Sounds like things are going real well in Jacksonville right now.  Meyer has always been a scumbag.  No way he survives the season.

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THREAD 1) The Urban Meyer situation in Jacksonville has reached a crisis point, especially in the locker room. One player told me, 'He has zero credibility in that stadium. He had very little to begin with.'
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2) Players were particularly put off by the fact that Meyer canceled Monday's team meeting, as he dealt with the uproar over the videos of him and a young woman getting cozy in that Ohio bar. 'He even canceled the team meeting. He was too scared,' a player said.
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3) Instead Meyer 'only apologized to position groups individually.' He portrayed the woman in the videos as a random person who was 'just there dancing.' Suffice it to say, his audience was highly skeptical.
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4) Said one player: 'We looked at him like, Edited for profanity.  Please do not do it again.? Right when he left everyone started dying laughing. And he knew it.'
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5 Bottom line, said the player: 'It's bad. I don't know how he's gonna function.'

I am not very much of a Football Enjoyer. The game is fine, but it's not really my cup of tea.

However I do find the top-tier of NCAA coaches to be endlessly fascinating: Most of them are objectively awful people in a professional capacity, and it's largely whitewashed for a variety of reasons that have to do with money. NCAA football coaches are the cream of this particular crop.

And the NCAA to NFL success rate is abysmal. The only guys who have really made the transition well are people who had some experience in the NFL before going to college and returning.

All this to say that this is absolutely the most interesting thing about the NFL this year. To paraphrase Marlon Brando said in Apocalypse Now, it's like watching a snail crawl on the edge of a straight razor. Only this snail isn't surviving, it's getting salt poured on it from the server at the restaurant that it owns.

[Roy H.]

Pats just released Gilmore.

Just strange.  He didn’t have any trade value?

95% chance he ends up in Tampa, right?

[Donoghus]

Pats just released Gilmore.

Just strange.  He didn’t have any trade value?

95% chance he ends up in Tampa, right?

There was certainly value.  Just not what the Pats were looking for I guess.  Although, something still would've been better than nothing. 

In retrospect, they should've moved him last year.

Tampa certainly could use him right now.