NFL 2021 Season

[Celtics2021]

So Vic Fangio was quite upset today at the Ravens running the ball in the final seconds of the game (the Ravens were up 23-7) to secure a 100 yard rushing game to tie the NFL record at 43 straight games.  Fangio went on quite the rant about player safety, how it was disrespectful, etc.  Of course, Fangio called 3 timeouts starting with 28 seconds left in the game when the Broncos had the ball (they ended up throwing an INT in the end zone on a play that started with 10 seconds left).  So does he not care about player safety when he was calling time outs with under 30 seconds left and his team down 16, or is it only when the other team has the ball that player safety matters?

And let me be clear, I have no issue with Denver calling timeouts and trying to score, just don't complain about the other team running a play that they could only run because you didn't let the game end yourself.

There’s a difference between trying to make a miracle comeback and running an unnecessary play after the game has been decided.  It reminds when Greg Schiano blitzed a victory formation years ago.  Sure, you’re allowed to, but there’s no need.

I also think Fangio was upset that Bridgewater got concussed on a late hit to the head after he’d released the ball that didn’t get called.

[RPGenerate]

Man, watching Vita Vea dominate as a nose tackle reminds me of Wilfolk with how much of a beast he is. Dude is what makes that Bucs pass rush and run defense so crazy. JPP and Barrett look like different players when Vea is on the field.

[Moranis]

So Vic Fangio was quite upset today at the Ravens running the ball in the final seconds of the game (the Ravens were up 23-7) to secure a 100 yard rushing game to tie the NFL record at 43 straight games.  Fangio went on quite the rant about player safety, how it was disrespectful, etc.  Of course, Fangio called 3 timeouts starting with 28 seconds left in the game when the Broncos had the ball (they ended up throwing an INT in the end zone on a play that started with 10 seconds left).  So does he not care about player safety when he was calling time outs with under 30 seconds left and his team down 16, or is it only when the other team has the ball that player safety matters?

And let me be clear, I have no issue with Denver calling timeouts and trying to score, just don't complain about the other team running a play that they could only run because you didn't let the game end yourself.

There’s a difference between trying to make a miracle comeback and running an unnecessary play after the game has been decided.  It reminds when Greg Schiano blitzed a victory formation years ago.  Sure, you’re allowed to, but there’s no need.

I also think Fangio was upset that Bridgewater got concussed on a late hit to the head after he’d released the ball that didn’t get called.

Ah yes because a team down by 16 with 10 seconds left is going to win the game.  I mean come on that is garbage. 

I'm sure he was upset about losing Bridgewater, but his rant was far more focused on the end of the game and not the hit on Bridgewater (which is more an issue with the refs than anything else and may be why he didn't focus on that so he didn't get fined from the league).

[Celtics2021]

So Vic Fangio was quite upset today at the Ravens running the ball in the final seconds of the game (the Ravens were up 23-7) to secure a 100 yard rushing game to tie the NFL record at 43 straight games.  Fangio went on quite the rant about player safety, how it was disrespectful, etc.  Of course, Fangio called 3 timeouts starting with 28 seconds left in the game when the Broncos had the ball (they ended up throwing an INT in the end zone on a play that started with 10 seconds left).  So does he not care about player safety when he was calling time outs with under 30 seconds left and his team down 16, or is it only when the other team has the ball that player safety matters?

And let me be clear, I have no issue with Denver calling timeouts and trying to score, just don't complain about the other team running a play that they could only run because you didn't let the game end yourself.

There’s a difference between trying to make a miracle comeback and running an unnecessary play after the game has been decided.  It reminds when Greg Schiano blitzed a victory formation years ago.  Sure, you’re allowed to, but there’s no need.

I also think Fangio was upset that Bridgewater got concussed on a late hit to the head after he’d released the ball that didn’t get called.

Ah yes because a team down by 16 with 10 seconds left is going to win the game.  I mean come on that is garbage. 

I'm sure he was upset about losing Bridgewater, but his rant was far more focused on the end of the game and not the hit on Bridgewater (which is more an issue with the refs than anything else and may be why he didn't focus on that so he didn't get fined from the league).

It’s clearly possible.  Highly unlikely, but technically possible.  The Ravens had time to run a play after the interception, so the Broncos would have had time to run a Hail Mary had they scored the touchdown and gotten the onside kick.  If they’d scored 2 plays earlier, when they first got into the red zone and still had a timeout, they’d have even had a chance to move the ball after an onside kick recovery.

What the Broncos did (trying to not lose) was straight up different than what the Ravens did (run a play solely for the purposes of stats when the game was won).  If you can’t see that, I’m not sure how much football you actually watch.

[SparzWizard]

So Vic Fangio was quite upset today at the Ravens running the ball in the final seconds of the game (the Ravens were up 23-7) to secure a 100 yard rushing game to tie the NFL record at 43 straight games.  Fangio went on quite the rant about player safety, how it was disrespectful, etc.  Of course, Fangio called 3 timeouts starting with 28 seconds left in the game when the Broncos had the ball (they ended up throwing an INT in the end zone on a play that started with 10 seconds left).  So does he not care about player safety when he was calling time outs with under 30 seconds left and his team down 16, or is it only when the other team has the ball that player safety matters?

And let me be clear, I have no issue with Denver calling timeouts and trying to score, just don't complain about the other team running a play that they could only run because you didn't let the game end yourself.

There’s a difference between trying to make a miracle comeback and running an unnecessary play after the game has been decided.  It reminds when Greg Schiano blitzed a victory formation years ago.  Sure, you’re allowed to, but there’s no need.

I also think Fangio was upset that Bridgewater got concussed on a late hit to the head after he’d released the ball that didn’t get called.

Ah yes because a team down by 16 with 10 seconds left is going to win the game.  I mean come on that is garbage. 

I'm sure he was upset about losing Bridgewater, but his rant was far more focused on the end of the game and not the hit on Bridgewater (which is more an issue with the refs than anything else and may be why he didn't focus on that so he didn't get fined from the league).

It’s clearly possible.  Highly unlikely, but technically possible.  The Ravens had time to run a play after the interception, so the Broncos would have had time to run a Hail Mary had they scored the touchdown and gotten the onside kick.  If they’d scored 2 plays earlier, when they first got into the red zone and still had a timeout, they’d have even had a chance to move the ball after an onside kick recovery.

What the Broncos did (trying to not lose) was straight up different than what the Ravens did (run a play solely for the purposes of stats when the game was won).  If you can’t see that, I’m not sure how much football you actually watch.

Yeah but the game isn't over until the game clock hits 0. Secure that milestone. It's not illegal so do it.

[Moranis]

So Vic Fangio was quite upset today at the Ravens running the ball in the final seconds of the game (the Ravens were up 23-7) to secure a 100 yard rushing game to tie the NFL record at 43 straight games.  Fangio went on quite the rant about player safety, how it was disrespectful, etc.  Of course, Fangio called 3 timeouts starting with 28 seconds left in the game when the Broncos had the ball (they ended up throwing an INT in the end zone on a play that started with 10 seconds left).  So does he not care about player safety when he was calling time outs with under 30 seconds left and his team down 16, or is it only when the other team has the ball that player safety matters?

And let me be clear, I have no issue with Denver calling timeouts and trying to score, just don't complain about the other team running a play that they could only run because you didn't let the game end yourself.

There’s a difference between trying to make a miracle comeback and running an unnecessary play after the game has been decided.  It reminds when Greg Schiano blitzed a victory formation years ago.  Sure, you’re allowed to, but there’s no need.

I also think Fangio was upset that Bridgewater got concussed on a late hit to the head after he’d released the ball that didn’t get called.

Ah yes because a team down by 16 with 10 seconds left is going to win the game.  I mean come on that is garbage. 

I'm sure he was upset about losing Bridgewater, but his rant was far more focused on the end of the game and not the hit on Bridgewater (which is more an issue with the refs than anything else and may be why he didn't focus on that so he didn't get fined from the league).

It’s clearly possible.  Highly unlikely, but technically possible.  The Ravens had time to run a play after the interception, so the Broncos would have had time to run a Hail Mary had they scored the touchdown and gotten the onside kick.  If they’d scored 2 plays earlier, when they first got into the red zone and still had a timeout, they’d have even had a chance to move the ball after an onside kick recovery.

What the Broncos did (trying to not lose) was straight up different than what the Ravens did (run a play solely for the purposes of stats when the game was won).  If you can’t see that, I’m not sure how much football you actually watch.

the onside kick runs time off the clock though.  Look, as I said, I have no issues with Denver taking all the time outs they want, my issue is the whining like a baby when the other team runs a play at the end of regulation and then claiming it is a question of player safety or disrespect.  Don't call the time outs and end the game if you are worried about player safety.  Don't throw an INT if you don't want the other team to run any more plays.  You play a game for 60 minutes.

[Donoghus]

The irony here is that its usually Harbaugh doing the whining.

[gouki88]

I don't like the shotgun on 3rd and 3.  No issue with going for the kick, but why not run the ball on 3rd and 3 to take time off the clock (or make TB use a timeout).  Maybe you get it or maybe you get a yard or two making either the kick easier or an easier 4th down play to go for it.  Shotgun on 3rd and 3 was the bigger issue with the play calling that I had at the end.

I didn’t have an issue with it.  They were playing for the first down, and Meyers was wide open; if not for the tip, it’s an easy first down.  How many running plays last night got them 3 yards?  The O-line was hurting and Mac needed all the time he could get

Even if you only get a yard, you force Tampa to use a time out, and then you either make the kick easier or the 4th down attempt easier.  With a minute left in the game, you run the ball there, if you are intending to kick the FG.  If you are going to go for it on 4th down no matter what, then I don't have an issue with a shotgun attempt on 3rd down.  I just don't like the collective decision making on those two plays.  It didn't make sense.

Had the Patriots had a positive run all night? A yard might have been asking for too much

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I don't like the shotgun on 3rd and 3.  No issue with going for the kick, but why not run the ball on 3rd and 3 to take time off the clock (or make TB use a timeout).  Maybe you get it or maybe you get a yard or two making either the kick easier or an easier 4th down play to go for it.  Shotgun on 3rd and 3 was the bigger issue with the play calling that I had at the end.

I didn’t have an issue with it.  They were playing for the first down, and Meyers was wide open; if not for the tip, it’s an easy first down.  How many running plays last night got them 3 yards?  The O-line was hurting and Mac needed all the time he could get

Even if you only get a yard, you force Tampa to use a time out, and then you either make the kick easier or the 4th down attempt easier.  With a minute left in the game, you run the ball there, if you are intending to kick the FG.  If you are going to go for it on 4th down no matter what, then I don't have an issue with a shotgun attempt on 3rd down.  I just don't like the collective decision making on those two plays.  It didn't make sense.

Had the Patriots had a positive run all night? A yard might have been asking for too much

They ran the ball only 8 times, and had a total of -1 yard. Pitiful.

[gouki88]

I don't like the shotgun on 3rd and 3.  No issue with going for the kick, but why not run the ball on 3rd and 3 to take time off the clock (or make TB use a timeout).  Maybe you get it or maybe you get a yard or two making either the kick easier or an easier 4th down play to go for it.  Shotgun on 3rd and 3 was the bigger issue with the play calling that I had at the end.

I didn’t have an issue with it.  They were playing for the first down, and Meyers was wide open; if not for the tip, it’s an easy first down.  How many running plays last night got them 3 yards?  The O-line was hurting and Mac needed all the time he could get

Even if you only get a yard, you force Tampa to use a time out, and then you either make the kick easier or the 4th down attempt easier.  With a minute left in the game, you run the ball there, if you are intending to kick the FG.  If you are going to go for it on 4th down no matter what, then I don't have an issue with a shotgun attempt on 3rd down.  I just don't like the collective decision making on those two plays.  It didn't make sense.

Had the Patriots had a positive run all night? A yard might have been asking for too much

They ran the ball only 8 times, and had a total of -1 yard. Pitiful.

That's where we missed Trent Brown the most. His 380lb frame is the only one that could hold up against the beastly tackles on that Bucs line

[Neurotic Guy]

I don't like the shotgun on 3rd and 3.  No issue with going for the kick, but why not run the ball on 3rd and 3 to take time off the clock (or make TB use a timeout).  Maybe you get it or maybe you get a yard or two making either the kick easier or an easier 4th down play to go for it.  Shotgun on 3rd and 3 was the bigger issue with the play calling that I had at the end.

I didn’t have an issue with it.  They were playing for the first down, and Meyers was wide open; if not for the tip, it’s an easy first down.  How many running plays last night got them 3 yards?  The O-line was hurting and Mac needed all the time he could get

Even if you only get a yard, you force Tampa to use a time out, and then you either make the kick easier or the 4th down attempt easier.  With a minute left in the game, you run the ball there, if you are intending to kick the FG.  If you are going to go for it on 4th down no matter what, then I don't have an issue with a shotgun attempt on 3rd down.  I just don't like the collective decision making on those two plays.  It didn't make sense.

Had the Patriots had a positive run all night? A yard might have been asking for too much

I think Harris had a 2 yard run for a 1st down.  Squeezed it out.  Unbelievably shut-down on the ground.  Impressive what Mac did from the air.

[Moranis]

I don't like the shotgun on 3rd and 3.  No issue with going for the kick, but why not run the ball on 3rd and 3 to take time off the clock (or make TB use a timeout).  Maybe you get it or maybe you get a yard or two making either the kick easier or an easier 4th down play to go for it.  Shotgun on 3rd and 3 was the bigger issue with the play calling that I had at the end.

I didn’t have an issue with it.  They were playing for the first down, and Meyers was wide open; if not for the tip, it’s an easy first down.  How many running plays last night got them 3 yards?  The O-line was hurting and Mac needed all the time he could get

Even if you only get a yard, you force Tampa to use a time out, and then you either make the kick easier or the 4th down attempt easier.  With a minute left in the game, you run the ball there, if you are intending to kick the FG.  If you are going to go for it on 4th down no matter what, then I don't have an issue with a shotgun attempt on 3rd down.  I just don't like the collective decision making on those two plays.  It didn't make sense.

Had the Patriots had a positive run all night? A yard might have been asking for too much

Ok, so they just get 0, but at least Tampa has to use a time out, so if Folk does actually make the kick, the Bucs have 1 less time out.  They could also make sure the ball was exactly where Folk wanted it to be.  What if Folk preferred the other hash mark (as an example)?  I just think if they were going to kick the ball, they should have run it.  If they were going to go for it on 4th down, I have no issue with the pass, it was just the collective decision on the two plays I thought was mishandled.

[tazzmaniac]

I don't like the shotgun on 3rd and 3.  No issue with going for the kick, but why not run the ball on 3rd and 3 to take time off the clock (or make TB use a timeout).  Maybe you get it or maybe you get a yard or two making either the kick easier or an easier 4th down play to go for it.  Shotgun on 3rd and 3 was the bigger issue with the play calling that I had at the end.

I didn’t have an issue with it.  They were playing for the first down, and Meyers was wide open; if not for the tip, it’s an easy first down.  How many running plays last night got them 3 yards?  The O-line was hurting and Mac needed all the time he could get

Even if you only get a yard, you force Tampa to use a time out, and then you either make the kick easier or the 4th down attempt easier.  With a minute left in the game, you run the ball there, if you are intending to kick the FG.  If you are going to go for it on 4th down no matter what, then I don't have an issue with a shotgun attempt on 3rd down.  I just don't like the collective decision making on those two plays.  It didn't make sense.

Had the Patriots had a positive run all night? A yard might have been asking for too much

Ok, so they just get 0, but at least Tampa has to use a time out, so if Folk does actually make the kick, the Bucs have 1 less time out.  They could also make sure the ball was exactly where Folk wanted it to be.  What if Folk preferred the other hash mark (as an example)?  I just think if they were going to kick the ball, they should have run it.  If they were going to go for it on 4th down, I have no issue with the pass, it was just the collective decision on the two plays I thought was mishandled.

Or they lose a yard or two if they run the ball making the field goal even longer in the rain.  Running the ball and giving up any chance of making the 1st down would have been a really poor decision. 

[Moranis]

I don't like the shotgun on 3rd and 3.  No issue with going for the kick, but why not run the ball on 3rd and 3 to take time off the clock (or make TB use a timeout).  Maybe you get it or maybe you get a yard or two making either the kick easier or an easier 4th down play to go for it.  Shotgun on 3rd and 3 was the bigger issue with the play calling that I had at the end.

I didn’t have an issue with it.  They were playing for the first down, and Meyers was wide open; if not for the tip, it’s an easy first down.  How many running plays last night got them 3 yards?  The O-line was hurting and Mac needed all the time he could get

Even if you only get a yard, you force Tampa to use a time out, and then you either make the kick easier or the 4th down attempt easier.  With a minute left in the game, you run the ball there, if you are intending to kick the FG.  If you are going to go for it on 4th down no matter what, then I don't have an issue with a shotgun attempt on 3rd down.  I just don't like the collective decision making on those two plays.  It didn't make sense.

Had the Patriots had a positive run all night? A yard might have been asking for too much

Ok, so they just get 0, but at least Tampa has to use a time out, so if Folk does actually make the kick, the Bucs have 1 less time out.  They could also make sure the ball was exactly where Folk wanted it to be.  What if Folk preferred the other hash mark (as an example)?  I just think if they were going to kick the ball, they should have run it.  If they were going to go for it on 4th down, I have no issue with the pass, it was just the collective decision on the two plays I thought was mishandled.

Or they lose a yard or two if they run the ball making the field goal even longer in the rain.  Running the ball and giving up any chance of making the 1st down would have been a really poor decision.

Except they didn't go for it on 4th down, they attempted the FG.  That is my point. 

[Donoghus]

Sounds like things are going real well in Jacksonville right now.  Meyer has always been a scumbag.  No way he survives the season.

Michael Silver
@MikeSilver
THREAD 1) The Urban Meyer situation in Jacksonville has reached a crisis point, especially in the locker room. One player told me, 'He has zero credibility in that stadium. He had very little to begin with.'
9:59 AM · Oct 5, 2021·Twitter for iPhone


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2) Players were particularly put off by the fact that Meyer canceled Monday's team meeting, as he dealt with the uproar over the videos of him and a young woman getting cozy in that Ohio bar. 'He even canceled the team meeting. He was too scared,' a player said.
Michael Silver
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3) Instead Meyer 'only apologized to position groups individually.' He portrayed the woman in the videos as a random person who was 'just there dancing.' Suffice it to say, his audience was highly skeptical.
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4) Said one player: 'We looked at him like, Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.? Right when he left everyone started dying laughing. And he knew it.'
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5 Bottom line, said the player: 'It's bad. I don't know how he's gonna function.'