Rumor: Celtics offer for Grant

[liam]

I think Grant is a great addition to The Celtics but if he didn't want to be a 3rd or 4th option in Denver what would he want to be that on the Celtics?

It could be that he is already sick of losing on a bad team?    One could hope.

Yeah, that would be the hope. Some guys would rather be a big fish in a little pond...

[Vermont Green]

Based on relatively limited opportunity to see Grant play, I think he would be a good fit and a good add to the team.  Better than what I saw of Collins.  From the Celtics perspective, I think 2 firsts and say Nesmith and Grant is reasonable.

Grant would likely be our starting PF and from what I saw, would be great in that role.  A real improvement for the team.  Not sure about this from Detroit's perspective though.  Not sure our picks are quite good enough or that Nesmith is quite good enough of a young player to make this worth their while.

If true, I am glad that Danny is trying to make something work for Grant.

[Ogaju]

Is that why Nesmith hasnt been playing? Trade bait?

[NKY fan]

Based on relatively limited opportunity to see Grant play, I think he would be a good fit and a good add to the team.  Better than what I saw of Collins.  From the Celtics perspective, I think 2 firsts and say Nesmith and Grant is reasonable.

Grant would likely be our starting PF and from what I saw, would be great in that role.  A real improvement for the team.  Not sure about this from Detroit's perspective though.  Not sure our picks are quite good enough or that Nesmith is quite good enough of a young player to make this worth their while.

If true, I am glad that Danny is trying to make something work for Grant.

2 late FRPs and Nesmith is a laughable package for Grant. Danny should have rolled forward at least 3 of the 6 FRPs he had in the last   2 drafts for future FRPs . Would have been much easier to trade for Grant if he had those extra picks.

[Vermont Green]

Based on relatively limited opportunity to see Grant play, I think he would be a good fit and a good add to the team.  Better than what I saw of Collins.  From the Celtics perspective, I think 2 firsts and say Nesmith and Grant is reasonable.

Grant would likely be our starting PF and from what I saw, would be great in that role.  A real improvement for the team.  Not sure about this from Detroit's perspective though.  Not sure our picks are quite good enough or that Nesmith is quite good enough of a young player to make this worth their while.

If true, I am glad that Danny is trying to make something work for Grant.

2 late FRPs and Nesmith is a laughable package for Grant. Danny should have rolled forward at least 3 of the 6 FRPs he had in the last   2 drafts for future FRPs . Would have been much easier to trade for Grant if he had those extra picks.

Those picks in the last two drafts ended up being Langford, Nesmith, Pritchard, Grant Williams, so a trade of two future firsts and Nesmith + Grant is really 4 firsts.  So is it better if we offer Langford, Pritchard, Nesmith, and Grant?  Trading forward picks does not make them better.

I don't disagree that it will likely take more than this to get Jerami Grant but I don't follow your logic on how this is some fault of Danny that he didn't trade picks for other picks and that this would have somehow resulted in us having something better to trade.

[NKY fan]

Based on relatively limited opportunity to see Grant play, I think he would be a good fit and a good add to the team.  Better than what I saw of Collins.  From the Celtics perspective, I think 2 firsts and say Nesmith and Grant is reasonable.

Grant would likely be our starting PF and from what I saw, would be great in that role.  A real improvement for the team.  Not sure about this from Detroit's perspective though.  Not sure our picks are quite good enough or that Nesmith is quite good enough of a young player to make this worth their while.

If true, I am glad that Danny is trying to make something work for Grant.

2 late FRPs and Nesmith is a laughable package for Grant. Danny should have rolled forward at least 3 of the 6 FRPs he had in the last   2 drafts for future FRPs . Would have been much easier to trade for Grant if he had those extra picks.

Those picks in the last two drafts ended up being Langford, Nesmith, Pritchard, Grant Williams, so a trade of two future firsts and Nesmith + Grant is really 4 firsts.  So is it better if we offer Langford, Pritchard, Nesmith, and Grant?  Trading forward picks does not make them better.

I don't disagree that it will likely take more than this to get Jerami Grant but I don't follow your logic on how this is some fault of Danny that he didn't trade picks for other picks and that this would have somehow resulted in us having something better to trade.

Celtics fans like all nba fans assign a much higher value on their drafted players than other teams do. You will be very hard pressed to find a team that values any of the above players at a first round pick currently. It’s just the way it is.

[nickagneta]

Based on relatively limited opportunity to see Grant play, I think he would be a good fit and a good add to the team.  Better than what I saw of Collins.  From the Celtics perspective, I think 2 firsts and say Nesmith and Grant is reasonable.

Grant would likely be our starting PF and from what I saw, would be great in that role.  A real improvement for the team.  Not sure about this from Detroit's perspective though.  Not sure our picks are quite good enough or that Nesmith is quite good enough of a young player to make this worth their while.

If true, I am glad that Danny is trying to make something work for Grant.

2 late FRPs and Nesmith is a laughable package for Grant. Danny should have rolled forward at least 3 of the 6 FRPs he had in the last   2 drafts for future FRPs . Would have been much easier to trade for Grant if he had those extra picks.

Those picks in the last two drafts ended up being Langford, Nesmith, Pritchard, Grant Williams, so a trade of two future firsts and Nesmith + Grant is really 4 firsts.  So is it better if we offer Langford, Pritchard, Nesmith, and Grant?  Trading forward picks does not make them better.

I don't disagree that it will likely take more than this to get Jerami Grant but I don't follow your logic on how this is some fault of Danny that he didn't trade picks for other picks and that this would have somehow resulted in us having something better to trade.

Celtics fans like all nba fans assign a much higher value on their drafted players than other teams do. You will be very hard pressed to find a team that values any of the above players at a first round pick currently. It’s just the way it is.

And one thing we know about NBA GMs is that on draft day, the day almost all of these pick for pick trades happen, they really like their current lottery picks and future picks.

No one in the top 15 moved their pick this year, so there were no consolidation trades to move up. There were no trades of 2020 firsts for future firsts. This is usual, not the exception.

For Danny to make consolidation trades to move up in the lottery or to move into a future draft, he needs another GM willing to consummate  the deal. And as I said, most GMs love their lottery picks and future picks and aren't inclined to move them.

So to complain about Danny doing something that's far from normal or very easy to pull off seems rather odd.

[NKY fan]

Based on relatively limited opportunity to see Grant play, I think he would be a good fit and a good add to the team.  Better than what I saw of Collins.  From the Celtics perspective, I think 2 firsts and say Nesmith and Grant is reasonable.

Grant would likely be our starting PF and from what I saw, would be great in that role.  A real improvement for the team.  Not sure about this from Detroit's perspective though.  Not sure our picks are quite good enough or that Nesmith is quite good enough of a young player to make this worth their while.

If true, I am glad that Danny is trying to make something work for Grant.

2 late FRPs and Nesmith is a laughable package for Grant. Danny should have rolled forward at least 3 of the 6 FRPs he had in the last   2 drafts for future FRPs . Would have been much easier to trade for Grant if he had those extra picks.

Those picks in the last two drafts ended up being Langford, Nesmith, Pritchard, Grant Williams, so a trade of two future firsts and Nesmith + Grant is really 4 firsts.  So is it better if we offer Langford, Pritchard, Nesmith, and Grant?  Trading forward picks does not make them better.

I don't disagree that it will likely take more than this to get Jerami Grant but I don't follow your logic on how this is some fault of Danny that he didn't trade picks for other picks and that this would have somehow resulted in us having something better to trade.

Celtics fans like all nba fans assign a much higher value on their drafted players than other teams do. You will be very hard pressed to find a team that values any of the above players at a first round pick currently. It’s just the way it is.

And one thing we know about NBA GMs is that on draft day, the day almost all of these pick for pick trades happen, they really like their current lottery picks and future picks.

No one in the top 15 moved their pick this year, so there were no consolidation trades to move up. There were no trades of 2020 firsts for future firsts. This is usual, not the exception.

For Danny to make consolidation trades to move up in the lottery or to move into a future draft, he needs another GM willing to consummate  the deal. And as I said, most GMs love their lottery picks and future picks and aren't inclined to move them.

So to complain about Danny doing something that's far from normal or very easy to pull off seems rather odd.

I know it is  not easy to find a trading partner but there were teams in need of young talent at the time of those 2 drafts. He also could have overpaid to get a future FRP (like 2023 or something like that). Over pay meaning offer 2 current for one future pick. It would have been much better than what he has currently - a glut of young players that project to be solid role players (with emphasis on the word project) that he can't really trade for any value. Also these players sit on the bench most of the time while they need time on the court to develop.
I just think if Danny had come to terms that it is ok to overpay he would have been in a much better position to trade for a star or a borderline all star such as Grant at this point in time.

[Big333223]

I think Grant is a great addition to The Celtics but if he didn't want to be a 3rd or 4th option in Denver what would he want to be that on the Celtics?

This was my thought, too. He seems like a good fit if he were interested but I question whether he'd be interested.

I like the thought, though, which is why Collins or Aargon Gordon would be my preferred targets.

[ChillyWilly]

I think Grant is a great addition to The Celtics but if he didn't want to be a 3rd or 4th option in Denver what would he want to be that on the Celtics?

This was my thought, too. He seems like a good fit if he were interested but I question whether he'd be interested.

I like the thought, though, which is why Collins or Aargon Gordon would be my preferred targets.

Who cares if he's interested he's under contract for 2 more seasons after this.

[liam]

I think Grant is a great addition to The Celtics but if he didn't want to be a 3rd or 4th option in Denver what would he want to be that on the Celtics?

This was my thought, too. He seems like a good fit if he were interested but I question whether he'd be interested.

I like the thought, though, which is why Collins or Aargon Gordon would be my preferred targets.

Who cares if he's interested he's under contract for 2 more seasons after this.

We don't want an unhappy player that doesn't want to be here...  Again.

[Quetzalcoatl]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DetroitPistons/comments/m3vcop/f_big_market_teams_celtics_arent_stealing_grant/

My guess is based on fan reactions it's not happening.  Although the Pistons are being run like the Red Sox so maybe...

[jambr380]

Based on relatively limited opportunity to see Grant play, I think he would be a good fit and a good add to the team.  Better than what I saw of Collins.  From the Celtics perspective, I think 2 firsts and say Nesmith and Grant is reasonable.

Grant would likely be our starting PF and from what I saw, would be great in that role.  A real improvement for the team.  Not sure about this from Detroit's perspective though.  Not sure our picks are quite good enough or that Nesmith is quite good enough of a young player to make this worth their while.

If true, I am glad that Danny is trying to make something work for Grant.

2 late FRPs and Nesmith is a laughable package for Grant. Danny should have rolled forward at least 3 of the 6 FRPs he had in the last   2 drafts for future FRPs . Would have been much easier to trade for Grant if he had those extra picks.

Those picks in the last two drafts ended up being Langford, Nesmith, Pritchard, Grant Williams, so a trade of two future firsts and Nesmith + Grant is really 4 firsts.  So is it better if we offer Langford, Pritchard, Nesmith, and Grant?  Trading forward picks does not make them better.

I don't disagree that it will likely take more than this to get Jerami Grant but I don't follow your logic on how this is some fault of Danny that he didn't trade picks for other picks and that this would have somehow resulted in us having something better to trade.

Celtics fans like all nba fans assign a much higher value on their drafted players than other teams do. You will be very hard pressed to find a team that values any of the above players at a first round pick currently. It’s just the way it is.

With the exception of maybe G Williams, I would say all of those above players would bring back at least a 1st round pick. Not necessarily lottery level (not at all actually), but they are all cost-controlled assets that have either proven themselves (Pritchard) or have enough potential to be enticing to some team. Langford probably won't be 'worth' anything for another month, though.

I do agree with your assessment that picks are generally worth more before a player is selected with that pick (unless a player really surprises early on), but I don't think the above players should be lumped in with guys like Edwards, Green, and Ojeleye. I believe they do have some value as more than just filler.

[NKY fan]

Based on relatively limited opportunity to see Grant play, I think he would be a good fit and a good add to the team.  Better than what I saw of Collins.  From the Celtics perspective, I think 2 firsts and say Nesmith and Grant is reasonable.

Grant would likely be our starting PF and from what I saw, would be great in that role.  A real improvement for the team.  Not sure about this from Detroit's perspective though.  Not sure our picks are quite good enough or that Nesmith is quite good enough of a young player to make this worth their while.

If true, I am glad that Danny is trying to make something work for Grant.

2 late FRPs and Nesmith is a laughable package for Grant. Danny should have rolled forward at least 3 of the 6 FRPs he had in the last   2 drafts for future FRPs . Would have been much easier to trade for Grant if he had those extra picks.

Those picks in the last two drafts ended up being Langford, Nesmith, Pritchard, Grant Williams, so a trade of two future firsts and Nesmith + Grant is really 4 firsts.  So is it better if we offer Langford, Pritchard, Nesmith, and Grant?  Trading forward picks does not make them better.

I don't disagree that it will likely take more than this to get Jerami Grant but I don't follow your logic on how this is some fault of Danny that he didn't trade picks for other picks and that this would have somehow resulted in us having something better to trade.

Celtics fans like all nba fans assign a much higher value on their drafted players than other teams do. You will be very hard pressed to find a team that values any of the above players at a first round pick currently. It’s just the way it is.

With the exception of maybe G Williams, I would say all of those above players would bring back at least a 1st round pick. Not necessarily lottery level (not at all actually), but they are all cost-controlled assets that have either proven themselves (Pritchard) or have enough potential to be enticing to some team. Langford probably won't be 'worth' anything for another month, though.

I do agree with your assessment that picks are generally worth more before a player is selected with that pick (unless a player really surprises early on), but I don't think the above players should be lumped in with guys like Edwards, Green, and Ojeleye. I believe they do have some value as more than just filler.

How would they bring a FRP? you need a trading partner for that. Since the above players need to be developed veteran teams aren't going to offer their late first rounders. There is just so much more to choose from if you have a FRP to bolster your team for the playoffs.
Teams that have minutes for young players to develop will not trade their picks because those are worth a lot to them and can go high in the lottery. Unless a youngish team that is wrapping up their developing stage has an extra pick that belongs to the top teams originally (lakers/sixers/nets etc) and are willing to give it up for the certainty of Pritchard's skills ...
Account for the general view of Ainge by other GMs and it will be almost impossible to get a FRP.

If you want to gauge the value of our young players check what Hamidou Dialo brought back to OKC in a trade yesterday. Given his stats and play this year he would be one of the "untouchables" if he was drafted by the celtics lol.

[Moranis]

Based on relatively limited opportunity to see Grant play, I think he would be a good fit and a good add to the team.  Better than what I saw of Collins.  From the Celtics perspective, I think 2 firsts and say Nesmith and Grant is reasonable.

Grant would likely be our starting PF and from what I saw, would be great in that role.  A real improvement for the team.  Not sure about this from Detroit's perspective though.  Not sure our picks are quite good enough or that Nesmith is quite good enough of a young player to make this worth their while.

If true, I am glad that Danny is trying to make something work for Grant.

2 late FRPs and Nesmith is a laughable package for Grant. Danny should have rolled forward at least 3 of the 6 FRPs he had in the last   2 drafts for future FRPs . Would have been much easier to trade for Grant if he had those extra picks.

Those picks in the last two drafts ended up being Langford, Nesmith, Pritchard, Grant Williams, so a trade of two future firsts and Nesmith + Grant is really 4 firsts.  So is it better if we offer Langford, Pritchard, Nesmith, and Grant?  Trading forward picks does not make them better.

I don't disagree that it will likely take more than this to get Jerami Grant but I don't follow your logic on how this is some fault of Danny that he didn't trade picks for other picks and that this would have somehow resulted in us having something better to trade.

Celtics fans like all nba fans assign a much higher value on their drafted players than other teams do. You will be very hard pressed to find a team that values any of the above players at a first round pick currently. It’s just the way it is.

With the exception of maybe G Williams, I would say all of those above players would bring back at least a 1st round pick. Not necessarily lottery level (not at all actually), but they are all cost-controlled assets that have either proven themselves (Pritchard) or have enough potential to be enticing to some team. Langford probably won't be 'worth' anything for another month, though.

I do agree with your assessment that picks are generally worth more before a player is selected with that pick (unless a player really surprises early on), but I don't think the above players should be lumped in with guys like Edwards, Green, and Ojeleye. I believe they do have some value as more than just filler.

How would they bring a FRP? you need a trading partner for that. Since the above players need to be developed veteran teams aren't going to offer their late first rounders. There is just so much more to choose from if you have a FRP to bolster your team for the playoffs.
Teams that have minutes for young players to develop will not trade their picks because those are worth a lot to them and can go high in the lottery. Unless a youngish team that is wrapping up their developing stage has an extra pick that belongs to the top teams originally (lakers/sixers/nets etc) and are willing to give it up for the certainty of Pritchard's skills ...
Account for the general view of Ainge by other GMs and it will be almost impossible to get a FRP.

If you want to gauge the value of our young players check what Hamidou Dialo brought back to OKC in a trade yesterday. Given his stats and play this year he would be one of the "untouchables" if he was drafted by the celtics lol.

Yeah I don't think any team would give up a 1st round pick for them.  Now I could see teams preferring Nesmith instead of a 2021 1st, as an example.  So in that some may have 1st round pick type value, but I don't think any team would give up a 1st round pick for Nesmith at this point.