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Re: Rumor: Celtics offer for Grant
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2021, 10:09:23 PM »

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I don't know this guy, but it looks like has had kind of "meh" numbers until this year. Is he that good?

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He's the #1 option on a team that most people don't really regard, given that they're terrible. So his numbers are certainly doing a weird jump. I don't know if he would sustain it as the #3 or #4 option though
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Re: Rumor: Celtics offer for Grant
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2021, 10:27:23 PM »

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I think Grant is a great addition to The Celtics but if he didn't want to be a 3rd or 4th option in Denver what would he want to be that on the Celtics?

Re: Rumor: Celtics offer for Grant
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2021, 10:29:11 PM »

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I think Grant is a great addition to The Celtics but if he didn't want to be a 3rd or 4th option in Denver what would he want to be that on the Celtics?

Celts would have to give up 3 or 4 1sts

I bet Danny offer instead is two 1st and two 2nds or something cheapie

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« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2021, 10:30:56 PM »

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I think Grant is a great addition to The Celtics but if he didn't want to be a 3rd or 4th option in Denver what would he want to be that on the Celtics?

Celts would have to give up 3 or 4 1sts

I bet Danny offer instead is two 1st and two 2nds or something cheapie

The picks are that big of a deal they will be late 1sts but the fit and if Grant wants to be here is the issue. He is a great defender and really good on offense.

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« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2021, 11:20:45 PM »

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I think Grant is a great addition to The Celtics but if he didn't want to be a 3rd or 4th option in Denver what would he want to be that on the Celtics?

Celts would have to give up 3 or 4 1sts

I bet Danny offer instead is two 1st and two 2nds or something cheapie
3 or 4 firsts for a guy with less than 1/2 a season's worth of good games is pretty ridiculous.
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Re: Rumor: Celtics offer for Grant
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2021, 11:22:56 PM »

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I think Grant is a great addition to The Celtics but if he didn't want to be a 3rd or 4th option in Denver what would he want to be that on the Celtics?

Celts would have to give up 3 or 4 1sts

I bet Danny offer instead is two 1st and two 2nds or something cheapie

How many picks would you give up for Grant if he was willing to come to Boston?

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« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2021, 11:28:19 PM »

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I think Grant is a great addition to The Celtics but if he didn't want to be a 3rd or 4th option in Denver what would he want to be that on the Celtics?

Celts would have to give up 3 or 4 1sts

I bet Danny offer instead is two 1st and two 2nds or something cheapie

How many picks would you give up for Grant if he was willing to come to Boston?

I’m so unsure on this guy.  He was a good role player on a good team prior to this season.  Now he looks like a border line all star.  Did he take a leap or is he just putting up numbers on a terrible team?

Re: Rumor: Celtics offer for Grant
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2021, 12:19:43 AM »

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I think Grant is a great addition to The Celtics but if he didn't want to be a 3rd or 4th option in Denver what would he want to be that on the Celtics?

Celts would have to give up 3 or 4 1sts

I bet Danny offer instead is two 1st and two 2nds or something cheapie

How many picks would you give up for Grant if he was willing to come to Boston?

I’m so unsure on this guy.  He was a good role player on a good team prior to this season.  Now he looks like a border line all star.  Did he take a leap or is he just putting up numbers on a terrible team?

Probably a little bit of both.

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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2021, 06:34:38 AM »

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His numbers are inflated but it doesn’t seem like he needs to iso to score, which is great because he’ll add a different punch to our team. At 4th-5th option though (behind JT/Kemba/JB), I’m pretty sure we’ll be underutilizing him
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Re: Rumor: Celtics offer for Grant
« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2021, 09:17:44 AM »

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I think Grant is a great addition to The Celtics but if he didn't want to be a 3rd or 4th option in Denver what would he want to be that on the Celtics?

Celts would have to give up 3 or 4 1sts

I bet Danny offer instead is two 1st and two 2nds or something cheapie

How many picks would you give up for Grant if he was willing to come to Boston?

I’m so unsure on this guy.  He was a good role player on a good team prior to this season.  Now he looks like a border line all star.  Did he take a leap or is he just putting up numbers on a terrible team?

Yeah, I'm honestly not terribly excited about Grant even at a low price. Obviously, I'd take him at the right price and he'd be a boost to the team. But he's not a star and you'd hope to eventually flip him in a package for one. He's not like an end target kind of guy.

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« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2021, 09:28:21 AM »

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I think Grant is a great addition to The Celtics but if he didn't want to be a 3rd or 4th option in Denver what would he want to be that on the Celtics?


It could be that he is already sick of losing on a bad team?    One could hope. 

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« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2021, 09:49:02 AM »

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I think Grant is a great addition to The Celtics but if he didn't want to be a 3rd or 4th option in Denver what would he want to be that on the Celtics?

Because he wanted the $60 million for three years that Detroit was giving him, rather than the far less amount Denver would offer?  He’s making almost as much this season as he’s made in his first six years combined ($19 million vs. $22 million).

I’m not a huge fan of Grant — he’s virtually the same player he’s always been.  His scoring just looks a lot better when his usage doubles and his minutes increase by almost 50%.  He’s a talented player, good enough to be the best player in a bad team, but also not one who was miscast as a 4th option/6th man in prior seasons.  He’s probably worth his contract, or close to it, but he’s not worth a bevy of picks in addition.  Good for Detroit if they can flip him for some draft picks and young players.  If we could get him by sending Thompson, a couple of prospects were tiring of, and a single 1st, such that were able to preserve our TPE, I might be interested, but the 2+ 1sts and the minimum amount of salary to necessary to stay under the tax that I see here would be locking ourselves into still being one move away from title contention.

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« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2021, 10:58:08 AM »

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I think Grant is a great addition to The Celtics but if he didn't want to be a 3rd or 4th option in Denver what would he want to be that on the Celtics?

Because he wanted the $60 million for three years that Detroit was giving him, rather than the far less amount Denver would offer?  He’s making almost as much this season as he’s made in his first six years combined ($19 million vs. $22 million).

I’m not a huge fan of Grant — he’s virtually the same player he’s always been.  His scoring just looks a lot better when his usage doubles and his minutes increase by almost 50%.  He’s a talented player, good enough to be the best player in a bad team, but also not one who was miscast as a 4th option/6th man in prior seasons.  He’s probably worth his contract, or close to it, but he’s not worth a bevy of picks in addition.  Good for Detroit if they can flip him for some draft picks and young players.  If we could get him by sending Thompson, a couple of prospects were tiring of, and a single 1st, such that were able to preserve our TPE, I might be interested, but the 2+ 1sts and the minimum amount of salary to necessary to stay under the tax that I see here would be locking ourselves into still being one move away from title contention.
Grant is 6'8 with a 7'3 wingspan. He's a plus defender who can cover 3 positions pretty well.  Getting a season of reps as a lead scorer makes you a better scorer.

He's perfect in that he's big enough to play PF and he's quick enough to play SF and spell Tatum/Brown. He just turned 27 today, and he's on a good contract. He can take the lead for a shift if we need him to.

The team needs to start becoming a cohesive unit, and it just doesn't matter so much if we overpay. It matters whether the team works. Having someone like Grant, who can create his own offense, instead of Semi or GWill is a pretty massive improvement.

I guess it depends what he costs, but 2-3 picks? Who cares? It would be a fully additive deal. You could have a core of Tatum, Brown, Grant and Smart for 5 years or more, and that's a tough group to score on.

I always thought the Tatum/Brown/Hayward thing was genius, that no one could compete with that kind of 2 way wing play. Grant is even better because he's so long, and he's younger than Hayward. He's not as talented offensively, but that's OK given what Tatum and Brown are capable of.

If Rob Williams came along and some of the younger players developed too, you'd have the league's best defense.
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Re: Rumor: Celtics offer for Grant
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2021, 01:16:29 PM »

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I think Grant is a great addition to The Celtics but if he didn't want to be a 3rd or 4th option in Denver what would he want to be that on the Celtics?

Because he wanted the $60 million for three years that Detroit was giving him, rather than the far less amount Denver would offer?  He’s making almost as much this season as he’s made in his first six years combined ($19 million vs. $22 million).

I’m not a huge fan of Grant — he’s virtually the same player he’s always been.  His scoring just looks a lot better when his usage doubles and his minutes increase by almost 50%.  He’s a talented player, good enough to be the best player in a bad team, but also not one who was miscast as a 4th option/6th man in prior seasons.  He’s probably worth his contract, or close to it, but he’s not worth a bevy of picks in addition.  Good for Detroit if they can flip him for some draft picks and young players.  If we could get him by sending Thompson, a couple of prospects were tiring of, and a single 1st, such that were able to preserve our TPE, I might be interested, but the 2+ 1sts and the minimum amount of salary to necessary to stay under the tax that I see here would be locking ourselves into still being one move away from title contention.
Grant is 6'8 with a 7'3 wingspan. He's a plus defender who can cover 3 positions pretty well.  Getting a season of reps as a lead scorer makes you a better scorer.

He's perfect in that he's big enough to play PF and he's quick enough to play SF and spell Tatum/Brown. He just turned 27 today, and he's on a good contract. He can take the lead for a shift if we need him to.

The team needs to start becoming a cohesive unit, and it just doesn't matter so much if we overpay. It matters whether the team works. Having someone like Grant, who can create his own offense, instead of Semi or GWill is a pretty massive improvement.

I guess it depends what he costs, but 2-3 picks? Who cares? It would be a fully additive deal. You could have a core of Tatum, Brown, Grant and Smart for 5 years or more, and that's a tough group to score on.

I always thought the Tatum/Brown/Hayward thing was genius, that no one could compete with that kind of 2 way wing play. Grant is even better because he's so long, and he's younger than Hayward. He's not as talented offensively, but that's OK given what Tatum and Brown are capable of.

If Rob Williams came along and some of the younger players developed too, you'd have the league's best defense.

Good assessment. I agree that 2-3 picks is worth it on Jerami. Certainly much better than the amount this forum wanted to give up for Collins, who is a roughly equal player in value.

Re: Rumor: Celtics offer for Grant
« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2021, 01:50:51 PM »

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I think Grant is a great addition to The Celtics but if he didn't want to be a 3rd or 4th option in Denver what would he want to be that on the Celtics?

Because he wanted the $60 million for three years that Detroit was giving him, rather than the far less amount Denver would offer?  He’s making almost as much this season as he’s made in his first six years combined ($19 million vs. $22 million).

I’m not a huge fan of Grant — he’s virtually the same player he’s always been.  His scoring just looks a lot better when his usage doubles and his minutes increase by almost 50%.  He’s a talented player, good enough to be the best player in a bad team, but also not one who was miscast as a 4th option/6th man in prior seasons.  He’s probably worth his contract, or close to it, but he’s not worth a bevy of picks in addition.  Good for Detroit if they can flip him for some draft picks and young players.  If we could get him by sending Thompson, a couple of prospects were tiring of, and a single 1st, such that were able to preserve our TPE, I might be interested, but the 2+ 1sts and the minimum amount of salary to necessary to stay under the tax that I see here would be locking ourselves into still being one move away from title contention.
Grant is 6'8 with a 7'3 wingspan. He's a plus defender who can cover 3 positions pretty well.  Getting a season of reps as a lead scorer makes you a better scorer.

He's perfect in that he's big enough to play PF and he's quick enough to play SF and spell Tatum/Brown. He just turned 27 today, and he's on a good contract. He can take the lead for a shift if we need him to.

The team needs to start becoming a cohesive unit, and it just doesn't matter so much if we overpay. It matters whether the team works. Having someone like Grant, who can create his own offense, instead of Semi or GWill is a pretty massive improvement.

I guess it depends what he costs, but 2-3 picks? Who cares? It would be a fully additive deal. You could have a core of Tatum, Brown, Grant and Smart for 5 years or more, and that's a tough group to score on.

I always thought the Tatum/Brown/Hayward thing was genius, that no one could compete with that kind of 2 way wing play. Grant is even better because he's so long, and he's younger than Hayward. He's not as talented offensively, but that's OK given what Tatum and Brown are capable of.

If Rob Williams came along and some of the younger players developed too, you'd have the league's best defense.

Good assessment. I agree that 2-3 picks is worth it on Jerami. Certainly much better than the amount this forum wanted to give up for Collins, who is a roughly equal player in value.

Grant is the much better two way player at this point. I'm warming to Collins. He needs to be in a good system with good coaching.